14:00:23 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:00:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jul 15 14:00:23 2013 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:23 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:00:23 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call 14:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:00:43 * Capesteve is here 14:00:48 <croberts> is here 14:00:59 * jhradilek is here. 14:00:59 <randomuser> hey, croberts, glad you made it 14:01:01 * pkovar is here 14:01:05 <pbokoc> me too 14:01:05 <croberts> hey :) thank you 14:01:19 * jjmcd_ 14:02:10 <yruseva> hello 14:02:42 * lnovich here 14:05:44 <randomuser> hello everyone, and thanks for coming 14:06:13 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on last week's action items 14:06:40 <randomuser> one action item that I'm almost shamefully carrying over again :( 14:06:50 <randomuser> #action randomuser to prep beats for F20 14:07:35 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status 14:09:11 <randomuser> first, I want to share that croberts and I had a conversation about multiboot over the weekend, wherein chris offered to create a multiboot guide 14:10:15 <randomuser> there's always been a *lot* of demand for info on this issue in Fedora support venues, and even more so with recent releases and hardware developments 14:11:04 <croberts> Thank you, I am working on the draft at the moment 14:11:32 <randomuser> croberts, thanks! our users are really going to appreciate it 14:11:45 <croberts> Thank you, glad to help you 14:12:03 <randomuser> anything we can do to help, croberts ? 14:12:45 <croberts> if you can provide me some links info on the technical side of grub, that would be helpful. 14:13:05 <randomuser> i'll see what I can come up with 14:13:21 <croberts> sadly windows 8 has changed how it interacts with the bios so its a whole new beast when dual booting multiple os's now 14:13:47 <randomuser> imo, the sooner you start working in git the better; we can see what you're working on and give more pertinent help 14:14:18 <croberts> ok i will get with you later on today with some questions about that 14:14:34 <jjmcd_> Well, that plus git is a lifesaver 14:15:23 <randomuser> jjmcd_, ++ 14:16:02 <randomuser> sure, someone will be around in -docs if you can't get ahold of me, croberts 14:16:21 <croberts> ok thank you 14:16:54 <randomuser> anyone else want to speak on their guide? jreznik, lnovich ? 14:17:33 <lnovich> i am tied up at the moment w/scheduling but am aiming to release the Virt. Deployment and Admin Guide for F20 14:17:49 <lnovich> it won't come out of draft mode for 19 14:17:51 <lnovich> sorry 14:18:07 <randomuser> I understand 14:18:26 <randomuser> lnovich, I'd like to help with that guide; would you prefer patches or direct commits? 14:18:35 <lnovich> also odd thing I noticed - https://fedorahosted.org/web/ has my user name in the column to the right of the title 14:18:57 <randomuser> lnovich, find repos with https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/ 14:18:58 <lnovich> hmm - id rather BZs 14:19:57 <randomuser> lnovich, i was thinking of starting out with the parts that obviously only apply to RHEL6 - there will be a lot of BZs, but that's your call 14:20:32 <lnovich> my issue is - if there is something i need to backport to RHEL I will lose track of it 14:20:55 <lnovich> but on the other hand - if you want to send patches - feel free 14:21:08 <randomuser> well, we can't really tell fedora users that they need a RHEV subscription 14:21:22 <lnovich> i know there are some parts that need deleting 14:21:27 <lnovich> and re-configuring 14:21:46 <lnovich> which is why i was so reluctant to put something so half-baked up 14:21:50 <randomuser> right, I'll send you some patches then 14:22:42 <lnovich> ok - you will have to tell me how it works 14:22:58 <lnovich> but sure - send whatever you'd like 14:23:00 <randomuser> applying patches? 14:23:21 <lnovich> getting them, reviewing them, applying them 14:23:30 <lnovich> the whole enchilada 14:23:42 <randomuser> okay, we can talk about that out of band 14:23:46 <lnovich> sure 14:24:11 <lnovich> ok i'm done then 14:24:23 <randomuser> okay, thanks 14:25:00 <jhradilek> lnovich, randomuser: One patch is already attached here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=980931 14:25:19 <lnovich> ok i will take a look later 14:25:32 <jhradilek> lnovich: So if you want, one of us can show you how to apply it. :) 14:25:58 <jhradilek> randomuser: (Feel free to review it.) 14:26:28 <lnovich> sure - unfortunately I can't stay for much longer today 14:27:46 * lnovich needs to leave 14:27:56 <randomuser> jhradilek, sure 14:27:59 <lnovich> if there is nothing else for me - ciao! 14:28:09 <jhradilek> lnovich: Bye. :) 14:28:58 <randomuser> anything else on guides? 14:30:07 <randomuser> okay, let's go over Changes 14:30:45 <randomuser> jreznik, as I recall it, we had decided on individual writers laying claim to a change? 14:32:16 <randomuser> there have been some interesting changes proposed, i hope everyone is subscribed to devel-announce 14:32:46 * jhradilek is subscribing now. O:) 14:33:47 <randomuser> #info docs writers should subscribe to devel-announce for important project announcements. Discussions usually follow on devel@ 14:33:56 <randomuser> #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce 14:34:10 <randomuser> #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel 14:34:28 <croberts> i am signing up now 14:36:11 <randomuser> hmm... I'm out of guide questions 14:36:44 <randomuser> and changes info 14:37:08 <croberts> i will get mine converted from a doc format to xml and upload what i have so far into git 14:37:21 <croberts> have mostly the intro done, but have not dived into the multiboot yet 14:37:28 <randomuser> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/20/ChangeSet 14:37:31 <jreznik> randomuser: ah, sorry for being slow in replies, busy today :( 14:37:46 <jreznik> randomuser: for ChangeSet - my fault, not yet ready 14:38:15 <randomuser> jreznik, if you have time, I was hoping you could go over the docs role in the process - at the next meeting or on the list, maybe even 14:38:17 <jreznik> but I'd like to also prepare a weekly summary for changes 14:38:23 <randomuser> at least to refresh my poor memory 14:39:01 <jreznik> well - look for changes, if anybody interested see interesting change that should be documented - take ownership on the page 14:39:39 <jreznik> for the rest - someone should take a look for important changes and we will have to make sure someone is going to cover it 14:40:11 <randomuser> is there a better link than the one I had? 14:40:27 <randomuser> for proposed, not yet accepted changes? 14:41:31 <randomuser> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes 14:41:50 <randomuser> really, i think the announcements and discussion are the best thing to follow at this point 14:42:23 <randomuser> the discussion especially can be informative, and sometimes even humble docs people can participate :) 14:43:07 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 14:43:14 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 14:43:39 <randomuser> So, a lot of bugs here, most filed by _terminal_ :P 14:43:49 <_terminal_> heh 14:44:08 <_terminal_> yeah i've been going through the sys admin guide when i get spare time 14:44:39 <randomuser> _terminal_, i think you've made the point well enough that jreznik - who can contradict me if needed - decided to focus more on desktop-independent methods 14:45:41 <_terminal_> clarify? 14:45:59 <randomuser> so as I see it, the fix for a lot of those will be to pull the gnome-specific instructions and expand on the command line instructions 14:46:16 <_terminal_> oh right yeah 14:46:24 <jreznik> that was't me :) 14:46:40 <randomuser> tab fail, sorry jreznik 14:46:48 <jreznik> np 14:46:51 <randomuser> jhradilek owns the guide 14:47:21 <_terminal_> some of the things i've highlighted are also locations that have changed, but yeah some of them are gnome specific 14:47:32 * randomuser nods 14:47:51 <randomuser> _terminal_, just so you're in the loop and have the right context for your review 14:48:21 <_terminal_> sure, thanks :) 14:48:23 <Capesteve> that was one of the points of the review exercise, to see what must be changed, what can be cut, what just needs editing 14:49:07 <_terminal_> so going forward, if I find something gnome specific just file a bug saying it's gnome specific? 14:50:14 <_terminal_> or just file bugs on things that are not correct or mis-spelled? 14:51:24 <Capesteve> you can make some suggestions, "can be removed", "needs new screen shot but could just be removed as out of date", ""must have new screen shot to make any sense" 14:52:08 <Capesteve> screen shots take time to do well, so we have pulled a few to save time 14:52:11 <jhradilek> randomuser: That was me. 14:52:28 <jhradilek> _terminal_: No need to file bugs when all needs to be changed are instructions how to run the appl 14:52:31 <jhradilek> *app. 14:52:43 * randomuser looks away, furtively gulps coffee 14:52:55 * _terminal_ nods 14:53:36 <Capesteve> you can make notes here for simple things: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Review_Table 14:54:26 <randomuser> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Review_Table 14:54:45 <_terminal_> so bugs for screenshots and altering sections/removing things, for any minor changes, add to the table 14:55:24 <_terminal_> got it :) 14:55:31 <Capesteve> sounds good to me 14:56:14 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor Discussion 14:57:22 <randomuser> no last minute concerns? 14:58:30 <randomuser> well, thanks for coming, everyone, see you around 14:58:38 <randomuser> #endmeeting