14:00:09 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:00:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 19 14:00:09 2013 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:10 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:00:10 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call 14:00:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:00:14 * Capesteve is here 14:00:32 <randomuser> GDTY, Capesteve 14:00:37 * pbokoc 14:00:50 <Capesteve> morning randomuser 14:01:22 <randomuser> this is my first day back from vacation, $dayjob will be fun 14:01:32 * Croberts here 14:01:35 <pkovar> same here 14:02:16 * jjmcd 14:02:31 * threebean is here 14:02:52 <randomuser> welcome, threebean 14:02:59 <threebean> :) 14:05:25 <randomuser> quorum! 14:05:34 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on action items 14:06:00 <randomuser> It looks like lnovich isn't here at the moment to talk about badges 14:06:32 <randomuser> so, on to Changes 14:06:34 <threebean> oh, that's actually why I'm here. I got an email last night asking about badges for docs contributions. 14:06:42 <threebean> err, sorry, not last night -- last week. 14:06:48 <randomuser> err... badges! 14:06:52 <randomuser> #topic Badges 14:07:14 <randomuser> well, i guess I should find out if you had questions or answers, threebean 14:07:53 <threebean> oh, well, I realize that docs was sorely left out of Fedora Badges and that some people were a little miffed at this. 14:08:04 <threebean> I just wanted to make myself available is people had ideas or things they wanted to do with it. 14:08:17 <threebean> "is people" -> "if people" 14:08:18 * jreznik is here listening for Badges, err, Changes :) 14:08:50 <randomuser> cool, thanks threebean 14:09:30 <randomuser> I would say commits to our repos would be a good metric, but I'm not sure if that talks fedmsg 14:09:37 <randomuser> (fedorahosted) 14:09:50 <threebean> I don't think it does, but we can turn that on easily; it only takes a few minutes. 14:10:45 <threebean> for that I just need someone to point me at the right repos and the right trac instances. 14:10:45 <randomuser> I like the idea of high goals, though; start with 1 commit but have the tiers cover a broad range 14:10:59 <threebean> cool :) 14:11:13 <randomuser> okay, someone will work up a proper ticket for you 14:11:25 <randomuser> or a couple :) 14:11:29 <threebean> +1 :) 14:11:42 <jjmcd> Prolly have something different for publishing 14:11:51 <randomuser> jjmcd, +1 14:11:53 <jjmcd> even tho it is also just a commit 14:12:01 <threebean> also, if anyone has particular ideas for particular badges, you can submit them at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ <-- you get a badge for doing so. ;) 14:12:34 <randomuser> threebean, what badge was issued for the idea of a badge for submitting badge ideas? 14:12:51 <threebean> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/badge-muse-badge-ideas-i 14:13:29 * randomuser needs to have more coffee before attempting humor 14:13:42 <threebean> ha :) 14:13:58 <threebean> had to re-read ;p 14:14:37 <randomuser> threebean, I had to say it, so I would get the next level of meta-badge :) 14:15:09 <randomuser> anyone have badge ideas/questions for threebean before we move on? 14:16:30 <randomuser> okay, on to Changes then - thanks again, threebean 14:16:43 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes / Changes 14:16:56 <threebean> :) 14:17:06 <randomuser> I will probably do a lot of catching up with this process soon 14:17:30 <randomuser> jreznik, do you have any advice for us while you're around? 14:18:04 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/20/ChangeSet 14:18:22 <randomuser> #info the Changes process for docs means an assigned bug for every change 14:18:48 <jreznik> randomuser: just - please, pickup changes you want to document or if you have better idea how to assign it - I can do it 14:19:09 <randomuser> ack 14:19:29 <randomuser> we need to get moving on this, and I regret not starting the procedural stuff sooner 14:20:12 <jreznik> randomuser: not a problem, I'm delayed with tracker BZs too :( 14:20:15 <randomuser> #info ideally assigned writers will also review other guides for affected content and file bugs as needed 14:21:01 <randomuser> out of curiosity, do you know any mass ticket creation magicks, jreznik 14:21:05 <randomuser> ..? 14:22:10 <jreznik> randomuser: bz? right now playing with it, I can provide my "semi-manual" scripts 14:22:26 <jreznik> a few lines in python 14:22:54 <randomuser> cool, I'll ping you out of band sometime 14:23:14 <jreznik> randomuser: sure, reminder for me - remove my password :D 14:23:28 <randomuser> anyone want to claim a Change ticket now? 14:23:33 <randomuser> jreznik, :) 14:24:43 <randomuser> okay, moving on then 14:24:48 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status 14:25:07 <randomuser> jsmith, ping? 14:25:59 <randomuser> there's an ARM guide out there, but it isn't getting a lot of traction 14:26:32 <randomuser> #info content needed for the ARM getting started guide 14:26:49 <randomuser> Croberts, you've been working on some guide stuff, right? 14:28:13 <Croberts> yes I have 14:28:29 <Croberts> I need to push it to the repo 14:28:50 <randomuser> unpushed changes, even! 14:28:52 <Croberts> I have been working on the bug that petr assigned to me 14:29:21 <Croberts> Yes I have updated the multiboot good more 14:29:29 <randomuser> cool 14:29:31 <randomuser> please push 14:29:35 <Croberts> ok 14:29:40 <randomuser> habitually, even 14:30:07 <Croberts> I pushed the updates for the docs.fp.o page to the draft branch, but its giving an error when looking at the page for some reason 14:30:18 <Croberts> I am not sure why, since I didnt change anything except add some text 14:30:28 <randomuser> looking at the page? 14:30:41 <Croberts> the Welcome.xml page 14:31:00 <randomuser> hrmm 14:31:23 <randomuser> what sort of error, from what application? 14:32:09 <Croberts> when I open the page in chrome/firefox to see the changes it gives me an error that it cant parse line 26, i dont have my laptop on but i think that is the error message 14:32:24 <randomuser> Croberts, okay, we can go over some things sometime 14:32:39 <Croberts> ok 14:33:57 <randomuser> pbokoc, jhradilek - did you happen to follow the thread on the list about upgrading? 14:34:33 <pbokoc> randomuser, I haven't 14:35:49 <randomuser> pbokoc, there's a wiki page that covers upgrading, and mattdm pointed out it was out of date 14:36:08 <pbokoc> right 14:36:20 <randomuser> that's mostly fixed, but it made me wonder if we should for out the upgrading content into another guide 14:36:37 <randomuser> idle thought, maybe, but i thought I'd throw it out there 14:37:45 <pbokoc> I'm not sure what you mean here - put a reference into the IG referring to the wiki page instead of documenting the upgrade process? 14:37:58 <randomuser> ha, no! 14:38:19 <randomuser> i meant something like upgrade-guide.git 14:38:28 <pbokoc> oh right 14:38:32 <randomuser> the wiki page is peripheral 14:40:39 <pbokoc> yeah. Well... separating content is generally good, but I don't really have time to maintain another, separate guide right now... 14:40:39 * randomuser shrugs 14:40:59 <randomuser> like i said, idle thought; we can move on 14:41:15 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 14:41:16 <pbokoc> I'll think about it and maybe at some point in the futurure... :) 14:41:29 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 14:42:13 <randomuser> ciupicri is here about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=998327 14:42:46 <randomuser> there's a redirect to a translation that doesn't exist 14:43:21 <randomuser> in the docs.fp.o main page; anyone know if that bit of javascript is publican generated or other? 14:43:57 <pkovar> this is because we have ro instead on docs.fp.o 14:44:06 <pkovar> which is a bug 14:44:26 <randomuser> can you fix it, pkovar ? 14:45:03 <randomuser> i saw the script uses "ro" instead of "ro_RO" 14:45:16 <pkovar> i am afraid there is not an easy fix to this. someone would have to hack the website database, i think :-( 14:45:35 <randomuser> ouch 14:45:49 <randomuser> well, knowing that the logic comes from publican is a start 14:46:36 <pkovar> yeah, the problem is we have pushed "ro" translations instead of "ro_RO" in the past 14:46:54 <pkovar> no idea what exactly needs to be fixed 14:47:18 <randomuser> could be quite a project, then 14:47:20 <pkovar> but i guess migrating to publcian 3 could help here 14:47:24 <randomuser> :) 14:47:54 <pkovar> as we will probably need to republish everything anyway 14:49:23 <pkovar> then again, i have no idea what the current status of p3 migration is 14:49:26 <randomuser> ciupicri, publican is the publishing tool we use, and it also handles the website presentation 14:50:00 <randomuser> the newer version of the tool gives us an updated framework for docs.fp.o and will 'reset' many one-off things like this 14:51:01 <randomuser> so the fix might come as a republishing of all available content, or something more tactical 14:51:17 <Croberts> that is why i did not want to upload the welcome.xml to the master repo and screw the site up 14:52:03 <randomuser> Croberts, it's just best practices, until you're more familiar 14:52:25 <randomuser> the content in master doesn't get served to users; only web.git does 14:53:54 <randomuser> a few minutes left; any other bugs to discuss? 14:55:16 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor Discussion 14:55:38 <Croberts> Well I will upload my changes then to the repo you sent me 14:56:21 <randomuser> Croberts, the method you've been using is good 14:56:34 <Croberts> ok 14:56:47 <randomuser> you made a branch, and committed in that branch 14:57:28 <randomuser> when you have more commits, we [the group] can review and merge to master 14:57:59 <randomuser> as someone pointed out, it is a mission critical pile of copy 14:58:34 <zodbot> adamw: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 14:58:37 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa 14:58:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 14:58:47 <adamw> grrrr 14:58:49 <randomuser> ahem 14:58:50 <adamw> sorry guys 14:58:51 <handsome_pirate> arrr 14:58:55 <adamw> #undo 14:59:05 <adamw> and....why does it let me do that? 14:59:10 <randomuser> #chair randomuser 14:59:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: randomuser 14:59:22 <handsome_pirate> #chair handsome_pirate 14:59:26 <handsome_pirate> #endmeeting 14:59:31 <randomuser> adamw, it turns out, even if you start the meeting, you have to declare yourself as a chair to get a badge :P 14:59:36 <handsome_pirate> Worth a try 14:59:39 <pbokoc> sabotage! 14:59:58 <handsome_pirate> adamw: Seems like we had this happen before 15:00:05 <randomuser> pbokoc, these guys have beer for breakfast instead of coffee, see the result? 15:00:12 <randomuser> #endmeeting'