18:59:25 <suehle> #startmeeting
18:59:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 26 18:59:25 2013 UTC.  The chair is suehle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:59:35 <suehle> #meetingname Fedora marketing
18:59:35 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing'
18:59:43 <suehle> #topic roll call
18:59:48 <croberts> .fas chrisroberts
18:59:49 <zodbot> croberts: chrisroberts 'Chris Roberts' <croberts@cintrixhosting.com>
18:59:52 <Mitzie> .fas mitzie
18:59:53 <zodbot> Mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <mitzie@outlook.com>
19:00:15 <Mitzie> ping mailga
19:00:15 <suehle> Hello!
19:00:22 <Mitzie> hello Ruth!
19:00:26 <croberts> Hello
19:01:28 <Mitzie> ping tatica
19:01:37 <suehle> I confess I haven't gotten a chance to read last week's minutes, so if somebody wants to do a quick review/run-down while we see if anyone else joins, I won't complain. :)
19:01:53 <Mitzie> I could
19:02:53 <suehle> go ahead, mitzie!
19:04:16 <Mitzie> So we had a new member that I made him an editor account on the magazine and he assigned a task for himself to make a research if we could add questions from ask.fp to the magazine
19:09:58 <jzb> vote, or...?
19:10:00 <suehle> jzb, perhaps you missed the "I've mostly been talking to myself for the last year" part :)
19:10:20 <jzb> suehle: well, when you disagree with yourself, how does it get resolved? ;-P
19:10:53 <suehle> jzb, Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock
19:10:59 <jzb> excellent
19:11:04 <Mitzie> :P
19:11:07 <croberts> :P
19:11:39 <suehle> My suggestion would be that we go with just the marketing list, and if the magazine traffic on it gets so out of hand or egregiously off topic that it warrants its own list, then we use that.
19:11:49 <jzb> +1
19:12:30 <Mitzie> But as croberts ssaid, there were many private emails sent to magazine stuff to resolve issues
19:12:42 <Mitzie> and we would like it to make it more open
19:12:47 <Mitzie> (my opinion)
19:12:51 <suehle> How is making a second list more open?
19:12:59 <jzb> Mitzie: you know how to solve that?
19:13:10 <jzb> tell people to stop sending private emails.
19:13:12 <suehle> That's less open by requiring the people on the already well-subscribed marketing list to go to yet another list to see what's going on.
19:13:38 <Mitzie> So all the magazine issues suggestions etc to go from there.
19:13:46 <Mitzie> I guess you are right though
19:13:53 <croberts> +1 suehle
19:15:02 <Mitzie> So the magazine list is suspended
19:15:30 <Mitzie> I would like to talk about the calendar
19:16:03 <Mitzie> !
19:17:04 <suehle> #topic Calendar
19:17:44 <Mitzie> So as you have seen the calendar in active. And the widget is a major +1 in my opinion
19:18:24 <jzb> Mitzie: the widget is the sidebar?
19:18:32 <Mitzie> yes, it is on the sidebar
19:18:34 <croberts> mitzie: Once it starts pulling from fedocal that will make things alot easier on you
19:19:30 <croberts> I have added the Ohio Linux Fest into the calendar and made a post about the event
19:19:40 <Mitzie> yes, about that, a user (can't remember now) opened a ticket on famsco so to make it mandatory for all ambassadors to add their event there as well, so we could export it easily with iCal
19:20:18 <Mitzie> Any opinions about the calendar? I would say that fits our needs perfectly
19:20:19 <Mitzie> eof
19:20:20 <handsome_pirate> hrm
19:21:04 <jzb> Mitzie: seems fine to me.
19:21:05 <suehle> Mitzie, opinions of what sort? It seems to be working nicely.
19:21:37 <Mitzie> Any addons? changed maybe? I don't know.. seems workign good for me too
19:21:43 <Mitzie> *changes
19:22:32 <jzb> Mitzie: looks like it's a winner so far.
19:22:52 <Mitzie> Great! So we are good about this matter
19:23:34 <tatica> pong!
19:23:51 <Mitzie> hey tatica
19:23:55 <croberts> hey
19:23:59 <tatica> sorry my delay, was on a bday day of spa  and getting a new look :)
19:24:05 <tatica> evening folks :)
19:24:13 <croberts> Happy Birthday
19:24:22 <jzb> tatica: happy birthday!
19:25:14 <tatica> thanks!
19:25:31 <tatica> I'm slowly catching up, but not sure where you ping me
19:25:43 <Mitzie> Happy birthday!
19:26:51 <croberts> I wanted to bring up two things suehle. One is trac tickets and the other is possible badges for the magazine, a way to get people more involved in the magazine.
19:27:19 <suehle> croberts, I believe badges are currently largely tied to things that are tracked in fedmsg
19:27:34 <suehle> They aren't opposed to other sorts of badges; I think the trick is in a system for awarding them.
19:27:45 <croberts> ah ok
19:28:19 <suehle> croberts, I'll submit the request and see what they say
19:28:26 <croberts> +1
19:28:33 <Mitzie> badges for the magazine?
19:29:05 * threebean looks up
19:29:20 <suehle> threebean, you got a "badge" Spidey sense? :)
19:29:30 <threebean> can't... turn it off!
19:29:35 <croberts> mitzie: yes ie 5 posts get you a badge and so forth, i know the other teams have a system for commits. maybe certain badges for a number of posts starting at 5 or something
19:29:42 <suehle> threebean, as long as you don't shoot webs everywhere.
19:29:54 <jzb> I don't know a lot about the badges system for other teams, but I'd say - something like: A badge for first article published, a badge for regular contributions (1x a month for N months), an editor badge, etc.
19:29:57 <threebean> suehle: world wide webs, only.  :)
19:29:58 <suehle> threebean, any suggestion on how we could award badges for participation in Fedora Magazine?
19:30:14 <Mitzie> ok thanks.. Never used it before.. ;P
19:30:20 <suehle> Mitzie, it's new
19:30:31 <suehle> badges.fedoraproject.org
19:30:35 <suehle> #info badges.fedoraproject.org
19:30:43 <threebean> hm, I guess I don't have any suggestions off hand.
19:30:48 <threebean> the ideas shot around above sound good to me.
19:31:03 <Mitzie> I had heard about it but never tried it ;) Thanks though
19:31:06 <suehle> threebean, but we'd just have to assign them manually with a link or something?
19:31:08 <threebean> if you have any sort of system that the infrastructure team can hook fedmsg into, that's great -- it makes things as painless as possible.
19:31:16 <threebean> some teams are looking to manually award them
19:31:17 <suehle> It's wordpress based
19:31:19 <threebean> suehle: yeah, like that.
19:31:43 <threebean> hm, wordpress linkage is not impossible.  but we may stick with manual awards for now :)
19:32:03 <suehle> OK, I'll go add a ticket for it.
19:32:07 <suehle> (them)
19:32:14 <threebean> if you decide on a badge you'd like to try out, file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ with a name and description -- note that you'd like it to be manually awarded.
19:32:16 * threebean nods
19:32:34 <suehle> How about starting with Editor and First Post to see how it goes?
19:32:46 <jzb> +1
19:32:51 <croberts> +1
19:32:53 <Mitzie> +2
19:33:07 <suehle> #action suehle go file a ticket to create badges
19:33:14 <suehle> croberts, what about trac did you want to discuss?
19:33:49 <croberts> i was going through the trac tickets and was wondering if any of these could be closed? some are as old as 09 and F14
19:33:50 <croberts> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report/1
19:34:08 <croberts> I didnt want to do anything before bringing it up in the meeting
19:34:15 <suehle> That probably means they can all be closed. I don't think anyone's used the marketing trac in a few years.
19:34:21 <croberts> ah ok
19:35:42 <Mitzie> About the comments on the magazine now
19:35:42 <croberts> I wanted to bring up the FWN page on the wiki, should this be changed to highlight the magazine?
19:35:49 <croberts> since FWN has been replaced by that
19:35:50 <Mitzie> please croberts go
19:36:02 <Mitzie> +1 on that
19:36:05 <suehle> croberts, definitely
19:36:21 <croberts> I will go ahead and update that :)
19:36:37 <Mitzie> cause now it confuses people, since no newsletter has been written for some months ;)
19:36:50 <Mitzie> Also Could we make a wiki page for the magazine?
19:37:06 <jzb> Mitzie: it's a wiki, edit boldly. ;-)
19:37:33 <croberts> I think a page showing how to join the magazine and blurb of what its about should suffice for that
19:37:48 <croberts> with links to the proper pages ie magazine, marketing page
19:37:48 <jzb> croberts: maybe that should be a story for the magazine...?
19:37:48 <Mitzie> I mean to create a new page for the magazine and add some info on that
19:38:20 <Mitzie> and link it to the mag
19:38:30 <croberts> jzb +1 that would be a good post, how to join
19:38:32 <suehle> Mitzie, I believe there is a wiki page for the magazine... I just, um, can't find it. Which is probably a good enough reason to create a new one.
19:38:35 <Mitzie> *link it to the marketing team (as how to contribute)
19:38:54 <suehle> We had started one with an editorial plan back in the spring, but it seems to have been eaten by wiki monsters.
19:39:15 <Mitzie> I would do it but I don't know what to include..
19:39:32 <croberts> I agree
19:39:41 <jzb> Mitzie: if you want to kickstart the page, we can all jump in.
19:39:51 <jzb> or I can do it, but either way - it's a wiki, we'll get there eventually...
19:39:58 <jzb> keeping an editorial plan there would be good.
19:40:20 <jzb> suehle: is there a Fedora style guide we can point people to?
19:40:48 <suehle> jzb, there is one for docs
19:41:31 <suehle> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Style_Guide?rd=DocsProject/StyleGuide
19:42:01 <suehle> I'm good with creating a list of marketing conventions as an addendum too, just haven't done so.
19:44:18 <croberts> I will add an action item suehle for the FWN wiki page
19:44:35 <croberts> #action croberts to update the FWN wiki page to reflect the magazine
19:45:02 <Mitzie> +1 croberts that would be great
19:45:34 <Mitzie> About the comments
19:45:37 <Mitzie> now
19:45:44 <suehle> What about comments?
19:45:44 <jzb> croberts: are we just going to convert the weekly news page to the magazine page, or show that it's defunct?
19:45:49 <jzb> I'm in the wiki right now.
19:45:58 <suehle> jzb, I think we should show that it existed but has been replaced.
19:46:04 <suehle> There's a MediaWiki syntax for it...
19:46:13 * jzb looks
19:46:21 <croberts> +1 suehle
19:47:45 <Mitzie> I can't know who approves them, but there are a bunch of spam ones approved. Check here: http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit-comments.php (after you login) and the first 2 are spam..
19:47:59 <Mitzie> *about the comments
19:48:01 <Mitzie> So for one more time, please be carefull when approving comments! If you are unsure, dont approve t and let another member approve it or spam it
19:48:28 <jzb> suehle: are you talking about a warning/caution thing, or specifically a "this is defunct" thing?
19:48:29 <Mitzie> and many more, this is just an example
19:48:30 <suehle> Are they actually approved, or did we not finish turning on Akimset?
19:48:33 <suehle> Akismet
19:48:39 <jzb> nm, found it
19:48:51 <croberts> jzb: can you show me the syntax
19:48:56 <jzb> {{Update}}
19:49:14 <Mitzie> suehle, the comments are moderated by stuff beore releaed and published
19:49:19 <croberts> jzb: thanks
19:49:33 <Mitzie> akismet has nothing to do with this
19:49:53 <Mitzie> By the way I de-activated, cause either way it wouldn't work if we don't add an api key
19:50:25 <Mitzie> Which means we have to register on their website blah blah blah
19:50:31 <suehle> That's hardly tragic.
19:50:35 <suehle> And worth what Akismet does.
19:50:50 <Mitzie> Should I register for an API key?
19:50:55 <Mitzie> and activate it?
19:50:57 * suehle goes to enable it unless somebody has a really good reason to hate Akismet
19:51:13 <jzb> I <3 Akismet
19:51:19 <suehle> I think I may have already registered but not yet finished it. One sec.
19:51:25 <jzb> we should also enable/install Bad Behavior if it's not already
19:51:29 <Mitzie> I don't hate it, but It won't work unless you register on their site and get an API key ;)
19:51:49 <Mitzie> jzb It's not.. What is that plugin?
19:51:56 <jzb> I have an API key, I wonder if WordPress would care if I used mine...
19:52:09 <jzb> Mitzie: it basically blocks bots before they can spam the site.
19:52:21 <Mitzie> something like akismet right?
19:52:24 <suehle> jzb, I think you have to generate one for every site
19:52:59 <croberts> suehle: before the end of the meeting I want to bring up the Getting involved guide, you were having me update
19:53:09 <jzb> suehle: I'm using mine on zonker.net and dissociatedpress.net
19:53:26 <jzb> IIRC I used to use it on another site.
19:53:42 <suehle> Akismet done
19:53:47 <Mitzie> Great!
19:53:52 <Mitzie> Thanks suehle
19:53:55 <suehle> #topic Getting involved guide
19:53:58 <suehle> Go croberts :)
19:53:58 <croberts> +1
19:54:06 <jzb> Mitzie: well, Akismet says "I think this is spam, I'll put it in moderation" - Bad Behavior says "this looks like a spammer, they don't get to comment."
19:54:42 <mailga> hi folks, sorry for being late, childrens are driving me mad....
19:54:58 <Mitzie> well, the configurations  on the wordpress are to moderate all comments
19:55:09 <Mitzie> besides we have akismet or not
19:55:24 <croberts> There was some messages going back and forth on the guide, because of join.fp.o already leading to a wiki page.
19:55:25 <croberts> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Get_Involved_Guide
19:56:17 <croberts> I believe the guide is still helpful and should be included within the wiki or a link from the join page to the guide.
19:56:20 <croberts> once its finished
19:56:26 <croberts> I should have it done by next week
19:56:48 <jzb> Mitzie: yeah, but Akismet should mark them as spam with fairly high confidence.
19:57:38 <Mitzie> ok that is great! I didn't know this plugin a lot :) Definitely a +1 on the magazine
19:57:42 <croberts> I wanted to see what your opinion on the matter was if it should be included?
19:57:45 <Mitzie> Sorry croberts go on
19:58:30 <Mitzie> I say different. We already have join.fp.org which is maintained a lot.. it have graphics etc
19:59:06 <croberts> but it leads to a wiki page
19:59:38 <suehle> you mean https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join?
19:59:52 <croberts> yes
19:59:59 <suehle> I think that page has slightly different information and could work along with the Get Involved Guide, even link to one another.
20:00:11 <suehle> the Join page addresses specific roles
20:00:35 <suehle> while the Getting Involved Guide can focus more on the general information
20:02:01 <croberts> I will work on getting the guide completed then :) I was holding off until you came back to todays meeting
20:02:38 <suehle> And that's 2 minutes over! Anything else urgent anyone needs to discuss?
20:03:14 <suehle> going, going...
20:03:16 <suehle> gone!
20:03:18 <suehle> #endmeeting