15:03:18 <Kevin_Kofler> #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting 15:03:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Sep 3 15:03:18 2013 UTC. The chair is Kevin_Kofler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:03:18 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:03:25 <Kevin_Kofler> #meetingname kde-sig 15:03:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:03:28 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Role call 15:03:33 <Kevin_Kofler> So, who's present? 15:03:36 <mbriza> hi 15:04:57 <rdieter> howdy, here. 15:09:12 <Kevin_Kofler> dvratil, jreznik, than: Ping? 15:09:20 <dvratil> hi 15:09:45 * jreznik is around 15:11:09 <Kevin_Kofler> #chair mbriza rdieter dvratil jreznik than 15:11:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil jreznik mbriza rdieter than 15:11:24 <Kevin_Kofler> #info Kevin_Kofler, mbriza, rdieter, dvratil, jreznik present. 15:11:26 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Agenda 15:11:43 <Kevin_Kofler> So, rdieter proposed Qt 5.1 status and KDE 4.11.1 status. 15:11:45 <Kevin_Kofler> Anything else? 15:12:38 <mbriza> also maybe an appeal to test sddm and talk about its future theme, not a big topic though 15:12:44 <Kevin_Kofler> OK 15:12:46 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Qt 5.1 status 15:12:52 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: Your turn. :-) 15:13:14 <rdieter> alrighty, much progress made with qt5 reviews, *most* stuff submitted to updates-testing now 15:13:34 <rdieter> reviews left include: qt5-qtquick1 15:13:46 <rdieter> and, just noticed today qt-5.1 included a few more modules compared to 5.0 15:13:50 <rdieter> so Im working on those too 15:14:24 <rdieter> that's all I have on qt5, any questions, comments ? 15:14:39 <rdieter> it's all in kde-testing repos too 15:15:43 <Kevin_Kofler> #info much progress made with qt5 reviews, *most* stuff submitted to updates-testing now, reviews left include: qt5-qtquick1 15:15:53 <Kevin_Kofler> #action rdieter working on new modules in 5.1 (compared to 5.0) 15:16:31 <Kevin_Kofler> I guess that's all for this topic. Thanks for your work, keep going! 15:16:37 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic KDE 4.11.1 status 15:17:54 <rdieter> in short, anyone looking at 4.11.1 yet? anyone want to start working on it? :) 15:17:57 <Kevin_Kofler> So upstream recently tagged 4.11.1, is it officially announced already? 15:18:07 <rdieter> yes 15:18:25 <rdieter> http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/03/kde-ships-september-updates-plasma-workspaces-applications-and-platform 15:18:56 <rdieter> http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.11.1.php 15:19:31 <rdieter> I can start/help in a few hours, after I finish up some @dayjob stuff 15:21:51 <mbriza> i can do some tomorrow, too, i guess 15:22:33 <rdieter> fyi, alpha freeze is tomorrow 15:23:02 <rdieter> so, imo, do just rawhide at first, and we'll build stuff in side tags/targets, f20-kde, f19-kde ... 15:23:21 <Kevin_Kofler> +1 15:24:22 <rdieter> I assume we won't be doing f18 15:24:44 <Kevin_Kofler> Good question… 15:25:06 <Kevin_Kofler> On one hand, the kdepim optimizations in particular would be welcome. 15:25:07 <mbriza> ok, i'll look at it tomorrow and write which ones i take here so you know 15:25:16 <Kevin_Kofler> (I'm really frustrated with KMail's slowness here.) 15:25:26 <Kevin_Kofler> On the other hand, there are huge changes in Nepomuk land. 15:26:13 <Kevin_Kofler> It might make more sense to attempt backporting the most important kdepim optimizations (mixedmaildir stuff and whatever general improvements can be found), if it can be done without the new Nepomuk. 15:26:31 <Kevin_Kofler> Just trying to update only the kdepim stack probably won't work, due to Nepomuk. 15:27:37 <rdieter> I can do unofficial builds for kde repo too, if there's demand 15:29:18 <jreznik> rdieter: +1 for unofficial builds 15:29:24 <jreznik> (at least for now) 15:29:36 <rdieter> ok, I'll consider demand for it... as a given. :) 15:32:00 <Kevin_Kofler> #action rdieter to do some 4.11.1 builds 15:32:05 <Kevin_Kofler> #action mbriza to do some 4.11.1 builds 15:32:36 <Kevin_Kofler> #info building Rawhide at first, then F20 and F19 in f20-kde resp. f19-kde side tags 15:33:08 <Kevin_Kofler> So, are we talking about unofficial builds for F18? Or only F19+ (in preparation of the official push)? 15:33:28 <rdieter> f18 15:33:53 <rdieter> f19-kde/f20-kde tag/targets for the rest 15:33:54 <Kevin_Kofler> +1, I guess we can start with that and see how it goes (how much of a mess it is to support). 15:34:27 <Kevin_Kofler> #action rdieter will do unofficial builds for F18 (kde repo). 15:35:58 <Kevin_Kofler> (I hope it won't be such a mess that you have to give up doing the builds entirely. There are some version conflicts we may hit, like krdc wanting a newer freerdp than available in F18; I guess the patch to move away from rdesktop should be reverted in the upstream build.) 15:36:10 <Kevin_Kofler> *the upstream patch … reverted in the F18 build 15:37:10 <rdieter> ah, right, well, we'll figure something out 15:37:15 <Kevin_Kofler> (That or you backport freerdp also in the unofficial build.) 15:37:20 <rdieter> yeah 15:37:48 <rdieter> I'll be doing some el6 builds sooner or later too, with similar options 15:37:59 <Kevin_Kofler> Speaking of freerdp, we probably want to add the option to disable that feature that the servers are choking on. (I don't remember how it was called.) 15:38:19 <Kevin_Kofler> Because otherwise the bug we just "fixed" on F19 by switching back to rdesktop shows up again. :-( 15:38:41 <Kevin_Kofler> (and probably poke upstream about passing that flag by default) 15:40:30 <rdieter> depends... I think different people hit different problems 15:40:46 <rdieter> for *me*, it was the --no-nla option 15:41:15 <Kevin_Kofler> I guess we can try putting the stuff as shipped by upstream in testing and see what breaks. 15:42:11 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic SDDM status 15:42:16 <Kevin_Kofler> mbriza: Your turn. :-) 15:43:12 <mbriza> okay, so, as i said, the issues with PA (maybe others) in sddm are finally (wheh) resolved 15:43:37 <mbriza> so there's nothing in way of your testing of the package... i filed updates for f18 and 19 a while ago so it'll hit updates-testing about tomorrow 15:43:52 <Kevin_Kofler> I also applied your kickstart fix to set up liveuser autologin for SDDM rather than for KDM on F20+. 15:44:06 <Kevin_Kofler> I hope it works. 15:44:14 <mbriza> thank you, we'll see in the next compose 15:44:57 <mbriza> also, as we always shipped our own theme for kdm, i thought it'd also be nice to have something for sddm, too... my design skills are rather poor though 15:46:06 <Kevin_Kofler> My design skills are also poor and my QML skills are nonexistent. 15:46:08 <mbriza> despite that, while i was ripping my hair with the pam stuff, i quickly sketched (um, hacked) something like this: http://ma.rtinbriza.cz/s/esdedeem.png 15:46:24 <mbriza> which is by no means complete and really hacky in its source 15:46:48 <mbriza> but the main idea was to have a smooth transition between plymouth and the greeter (that's why the logo is in the middle) 15:47:13 <mbriza> anyway, i don't know, it's not really necessary to have 15:50:47 <mbriza> btw by "smooth" i mean something along the lines of "when sddm does handle plymouth quit... that somebody (cough, me) will have to implement first" 15:50:56 <rdieter> not bad 15:55:12 <mbriza> thanks 15:56:39 <jreznik> mbriza: for alpha, design team is delayed too... so let's skip it for now, but for beta, we will take a look 15:57:29 <mbriza> great! thank you 15:59:44 <Kevin_Kofler> #info issues with PA etc. in SDDM finally resolved 16:00:18 <Kevin_Kofler> So, I think that's all, except the usual: Test, test, test! :-) 16:00:24 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Open discussion 16:00:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Anything else? We're out of time already… 16:05:58 <Kevin_Kofler> #endmeeting