06:02:32 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
06:02:32 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 19 06:02:32 2013 UTC.  The chair is tagoh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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06:02:32 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
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06:02:33 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:02:33 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-09-19
06:02:44 <tagoh_> okay, time for i18n meeting
06:02:46 <anish_> hi
06:02:57 <pravins> hi
06:03:16 <dramsey> ;)
06:04:12 <juhp> hi
06:05:14 <mfabian> Hi!
06:06:38 <tagoh_> let's get started.
06:06:54 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:06:55 <tagoh_> #info 2013-09-24        Alpha Release
06:06:55 <tagoh_> #info 2013-10-08        Software Translation Deadline
06:06:55 <tagoh_> #info 2013-10-15        Beta Change Deadline
06:06:56 <tagoh_> #info 2013-10-15        Accepted Changes 100% Complete
06:07:15 <tagoh_> as you may notice RC4 is available now
06:08:07 <juhp> yes
06:08:15 <tagoh_> and 2nd go/no-go meeting today
06:09:08 <paragan> hi
06:10:52 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:10:52 <tagoh_> #info #23: Fedora 20 i18n test day (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:10:52 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/23
06:11:48 <tagoh_> just a reminder to review test cases. as I updated the ticket you can see what testcases you need to review.
06:12:23 <tagoh_> please add a comment once you finish it so we can keep it on track which one is finished and which one isn't.
06:14:45 <skore> hi
06:15:10 <tagoh_> hope you'll do that without any explicit assignment though, I could try if we want
06:16:19 <tagoh_> any comments on that?
06:18:29 <smaitra> tagoh_, let me go through it, i will comment after walk through!
06:18:48 <tagoh_> smaitra: thanks!
06:19:36 <smaitra> welcome!:)
06:20:23 <tagoh_> okay move on then
06:20:27 <juhp> if there have been any IME changes then it would be good for the owners to update those at leasat
06:20:40 <tagoh_> juhp: right
06:21:39 <tagoh_> and any suggestions like adding more test cases etc are always welcome too
06:21:58 <juhp> iiuc mfabian was saying that the Region and Languages entry is gone from the Input indicator - dunno if it affects any testcases?
06:22:12 <mfabian> Makes it more inconvenient.
06:22:21 <juhp> yes
06:22:36 <tagoh_> juhp: definitely. need to update setup section then
06:22:41 <juhp> okay
06:23:39 <juhp> anyway as tagoh_ said particularly if you are aware of any UI changes please update the relative testcase(s)
06:23:42 <mfabian> kkc has its own 設定 (setup) entry in the properties menu. Maybe I should add this to ibus-typing-booster as well, now one has to open the generic gnome-control-center  first, then click on the "region and language" settings icon there, quite inconvenient.
06:24:10 <juhp> perhaps we could/should push to have it re-added?
06:24:32 <juhp> if we want to do that we should do it early I guess
06:25:07 <mfabian> Don’t know, I was thinking about entering a bug, but I was not sure.
06:25:42 <juhp> I guess the counter-argument/question might be how often does one really use it?
06:26:03 <tagoh_> didn't desktop team complain about it when we were trying to integrate ibus into gnome?
06:26:12 <juhp> but I agree it is annoying when one wants to...
06:26:18 <mfabian> Yes, for that reason, Allan Day wanted it to be removed from the properties, he wrote that in his UI guidelines.
06:26:30 <juhp> tagoh_, there was some pushing and shoving yes
06:26:46 <mfabian> But now I think it is really inconvenient.
06:26:49 <juhp> but we also complained/asked for it to stay I think
06:27:16 <tagoh_> sounds like we need to discuss about it again
06:27:19 <juhp> no sure who made the latest decision/cange
06:27:20 <juhp> change
06:27:25 <juhp> tagoh_, yes
06:27:27 <mfabian> One may not need it all that often, but often enough  to make it quite inconvenient.
06:27:38 <juhp> agreed
06:28:08 <juhp> perhaps we could start by asking rtcm
06:28:46 <juhp> mfabian, I think good/necessary to open a bug too
06:29:50 <mfabian> OK, I’ll open a bug.
06:30:34 <juhp> thanks
06:31:53 <tagoh_> okay, shall we move on
06:32:05 <tagoh_> #topic New topic
06:32:05 <tagoh_> #info #25: Bugs Corner (petersen)
06:32:06 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/25
06:32:42 <tagoh_> so no comments on the ticket. anyone has any bugs we may want to discuss here today?
06:35:30 <juhp> .bug 917130
06:35:35 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 917130 [pt_BR] Keyboard loses dead keys on login - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917130
06:35:45 <juhp> sorry I forgot to post an url
06:35:57 <mfabian> Ah, yes! Interesting one!
06:36:08 <juhp> this one ^ has been in my "worry list" for a while
06:36:17 <juhp> seemed kind of stalled perhaps?
06:39:59 <tagoh_> so does this still persist in f19 or f20?
06:40:19 <mfabian> I recently noticed again because Dirk-Jan Binnema had problems using Compose in Emacs, then found https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=918740 and because one of my comments used “env XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 emacs” which made it work for him. Kind of weird because these environment variables should have been set automatically. I should check again carefully how the situation is with these 2 bugs
06:40:23 <juhp> good question
06:41:34 <juhp> tagoh_, btw can we add F20 to "Release bug status" table?
06:42:40 <juhp> okay I will also try to test 917130
06:42:47 <tagoh_> juhp: ah, sure.
06:42:54 <juhp> I guess little chance of a backport
06:43:22 <mfabian> Ah, when installing RC4 in Arabic, the UI is mirrored now! Great, Vratislav’s patch is already integrated!
06:44:41 <mfabian> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917130#c38 : It would probably be best to change the dead key handling when the keyboard
06:44:42 <mfabian> layout is changed, maybe GTK could have several tables for this
06:44:42 <mfabian> and they could be switched when the keyboard layouts are switched.
06:44:53 <mfabian> Maybe I should open a new bug/feature request for this.
06:45:03 <juhp> mfabian, ah seems you already tested according to the upstream bug
06:45:51 <tagoh_> juhp: done
06:45:58 <juhp> thanks
06:46:23 <juhp> okay someone please bring an exciting bug to discuss next week!
06:46:31 <juhp> or more
06:49:12 <juhp> I changed the bug to modified anyway - anyway upstream bugzilla seems to be the way for gnome
06:50:29 <tagoh_> anything else?
06:52:00 <tagoh_> better move on I guess
06:52:03 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:52:16 <tagoh_> any other topics we may want to discuss before closing this meeting?
06:55:30 <tagoh_> okay, let's stop here then
06:55:37 <tagoh_> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:55:43 <tagoh_> #endmeeting