14:00:12 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:00:13 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:00:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:00:13 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:00:34 * randomuser yawns
14:00:42 * jhradilek waves.
14:00:49 * jjmcd 
14:00:55 * zoglesby is here
14:01:00 * yruseva here
14:03:20 <randomuser> quorum?
14:03:26 * Sparks is here
14:03:43 * jreznik is around if needed by docs guys :)
14:04:36 <randomuser> I do have a question you might know the answer to, jreznik
14:05:23 <randomuser> #topic Action Items
14:05:41 <jreznik> randomuser: ok
14:05:43 <randomuser> I had two, one for tracking bugs for wildfly
14:05:53 <randomuser> #action randomuser to create RN tracking bug for WildFly Change
14:05:59 <randomuser> missed that one :/
14:06:08 <randomuser> but I did publish technical notes
14:06:19 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes / Changes
14:06:36 <randomuser> #info Technical notes are available to help beat writers
14:07:21 <jreznik> do you have a link with technical notes?
14:07:29 * pbokoc is here
14:07:35 <randomuser> jreznik, I saw the alpha announcement reads that we have no default syslog, and that feature says no syslog in @standard,@core
14:07:45 <randomuser> #link http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html-single/Technical_Notes/index.html
14:08:24 <randomuser> jreznik, and spins were deciding for themselves, but I haven't read anything about what the spins decided
14:08:56 <randomuser> it would be confusing to declare we dropped it only to only ship media that installs it by default
14:09:54 <jreznik> randomuser: well, I was thinking about it too how correct it is
14:10:16 <jreznik> it probably should be rephrased a bit
14:10:44 <jreznik> desktop spin does not ship it, not sure about others
14:10:47 <randomuser> i've been meaning to look at kickstarts but haven't had time
14:12:35 <randomuser> well, I'll still do so if I have time, unless someone gets to it first
14:13:00 <randomuser> #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-20/f-20-docs-tasks.html
14:13:09 <randomuser> ^^that's our schedule for F20
14:13:26 <jreznik> randomuser: thanks, I'll look for reference too
14:13:51 <randomuser> at this point, we should have "alpha" release notes, according to the schedule
14:14:15 <randomuser> oh, and we should have notified -devel
14:14:47 <randomuser> that hasn't gotten any response when I've tried - Sparks, want to have a go at notifying devel about RNs?
14:16:03 <jreznik> randomuser: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/tree/fedora-desktop-packages.ks
14:16:46 <randomuser> good catch, jreznik
14:17:35 <randomuser> *anyone* want to talk about RNs on devel@ ?
14:19:03 * iWelcome here
14:19:12 <randomuser> welcome, iWelcome :)
14:19:19 <randomuser> i'll table the mail idea
14:19:50 <randomuser> So we have lots of beats to write, and tracking bugs to chase down
14:20:04 <randomuser> anyone have thoughts on the process, or should we move on?
14:22:33 <randomuser> hrm
14:22:50 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:23:51 <randomuser> I have a problem with the Technical Notes, something about mixed language teams, and I don't recall the fix
14:25:02 * lnovich is sorry so late
14:25:58 <jjmcd> randomuser, translation of the TNs is unique
14:26:17 <randomuser> jjmcd, I basically only pushed the POTs for the intro
14:26:26 <jjmcd> There is very little to actually be translated.  rudi had some workaround but I never sorted it out
14:26:40 <jjmcd> Yeah, the intro needs to be translated, and then the table headings
14:26:51 <jjmcd> but the headings are the same for every section
14:27:00 <randomuser> jjmcd, this is a common issue that lots of guides have had to address
14:27:04 <jjmcd> so rudi had some hack he did
14:27:08 <randomuser> https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora-technical-notes/resources/
14:28:30 <randomuser> maybe I'll try to ping rudi about it
14:28:50 <lnovich> if you need help finding him let me know randomuser
14:29:31 <randomuser> ok, lnovich :)
14:30:48 <randomuser> any other guide news, then?
14:31:57 <lnovich> none from me - been busy on a work related project that is finally finishing so i can work on my guide
14:32:31 <lnovich> which is starting to look more and more like a white elephant
14:33:47 <randomuser> ok, thanks lnovich
14:33:55 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:34:03 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:34:14 <randomuser> A lot of bugs there
14:35:52 <randomuser> #info bug hunting is a good place for new writers to start
14:36:09 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
14:36:51 <lnovich> is there anyone new in the audience today?
14:37:08 <pbokoc> I've got a stupid question: in the bug list, why are there tracking bugs for changes filed both under docs-requests and release-notes?
14:38:01 <randomuser> pbokoc, I made one specifically for writing content in the release notes, and one as a task to check to see if other guides need to be updated because of the Change
14:38:16 <pbokoc> randomuser, ah, right, I get it
14:39:08 <randomuser> hopefully less will slip though the cracks if we keep up with that process
14:41:29 <randomuser> i'll call it in 5 min if there's nothing else
14:45:16 <randomuser> ok, thanks for coming all
14:45:20 <randomuser> #endmeeting