15:06:06 #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting 15:06:06 Meeting started Tue Oct 15 15:06:06 2013 UTC. The chair is Kevin_Kofler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:06:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:06:13 #meetingname kde-sig 15:06:13 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:06:18 #topic Role call 15:06:22 * Kevin_Kofler is present, who else? 15:06:28 * jgrulich is present 15:06:32 * mbriza too 15:06:40 hi 15:07:44 * ltinkl is here 15:08:28 #chair jgrulich mbriza rdieter ltinkl 15:08:28 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jgrulich ltinkl mbriza rdieter 15:09:40 just before we start, sorry for not letting you know sooner: i'd like to discuss state of my change proposal for f20 15:09:54 #info Kevin_Kofler, jgrulich, mbriza, rdieter, ltinkl present. 15:10:04 Yeah, change proposals are the main topic for today anyway. :-) 15:10:23 #topic Agenda 15:10:32 So change proposals, today is the deadline! 15:10:34 Anything else? 15:11:02 Should we go through the change proposals one by one? Which ones do we have? KDE 4.11, SDDM, plasma-nm, anything else? 15:11:29 (I think those 3 are all we filed, right?) 15:11:44 one by one is probably best 15:12:11 Do we have any other topics? Or can we use the whole 48 minutes remaining for the change proposals? 15:12:33 nothing else from my side 15:13:15 OK, nothing else, so change proposals it is. :-) 15:13:31 #topic Change proposal: KDE (Plasma Workspaces etc.) 4.11 15:13:47 I think this one is good to go, right? 15:14:04 IMHO, it can be marked completely done, even including testing. 15:14:10 yup 15:14:11 After all we've been shipping it even on F19. 15:14:56 Though ON_QA until the Test Day is fine with me too. 15:15:16 But it's definitely ready for the required ON_QA state today. 15:15:29 4.11 is good to go 15:16:00 So, what state do we put the tracker in? CLOSED? Or ON_QA? 15:16:30 close 15:16:54 +1 CLOSED from me. 15:17:28 +1 for CLOSED 15:18:08 #agreed The KDE 4.11 feature is completely done, the tracker shall be put into CLOSED state. 15:18:16 So that was a quick one. :-) 15:18:28 #topic Change proposal: SDDM by default instead of KDM 15:18:37 mbriza: Your turn. :-) 15:19:33 so, sddm - to have it feature complete, i focused to finally finish the xdmcp support, which i did yesterday - and will merge it into our sddm as a patch if you agree 15:19:57 +1 to including the patch. 15:20:08 here's the pull request: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/107 15:20:38 anyway, there are some bugs left, i'll fix them over the course of the next weeks (especially the super annoying relogging on live image, that's still present, right?) 15:20:47 as long as it is safe, ie, since xdmcp is not enabled by default and the new code won't significantly affect non-xdmcp operation or testing 15:21:16 it's disabled, the current code depends on it just by calling the XDMCP::Server constructor 15:21:28 ok, +1 15:21:42 and there are two added methods to the current code but they are called from the XDMCP code only 15:22:03 I've seen the changes, I think they're safe. 15:22:39 The KDM ConsoleKit patch I rushed into F7 in the last moment was much scarier. ;-) 15:26:11 So, what's the conclusion here? Do we move to the next state (which is ON_QA, as I understand it)? 15:26:40 The alternative would probably be the big red "contingency plan" button. 15:27:22 well, i don't think that's necessary 15:27:30 depends on you though 15:27:34 I think we have already decided to push this through, and there's nothing I can see which would make me want to scream "contingency plan". 15:28:32 I haven't been a big fan of this from the beginning, but still, the decision was to try this and so far it has done all that it has promised. 15:28:49 according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Policy#FAQs , we're supposed to mark it ON_QA I guess 15:28:54 So I'm for putting this into ON_QA state. 15:28:58 put it in ON_QA state 15:29:11 I guess we should have done that for the 4.11 feature too 15:30:54 #agreed SDDM is "code complete", the tracker will be put into ON_QA state. 15:31:12 i'll prepare the patch and push it to f20 and rawhide 15:31:30 I'll put the other one into ON_QA too and ask jreznik whether we can/should close it entirely. 15:31:56 mbriza: One thing I'd like to see packaged is the configuration UI. 15:32:05 Editing config files is not very nice for the average user. 15:32:16 KDM had a nice KCM there. 15:32:52 Kevin_Kofler: yeah, you're right, i'll prepare a spec when i'll be bored in school in the evening .) 15:34:09 OK. :-) 15:34:18 #action mbriza will package the configuration UI. 15:34:35 Anything else for SDDM? 15:35:13 over time i'll try to convince upstream to merge the two projects, there is no reason to keep these two things apart, anyway 15:35:40 Well, there could be multiple versions of the configuration UI. 15:36:44 One KCM, one Plasma Active configuration module and one standalone Qt-only app. 15:36:44 (for example) 15:37:01 ah, yes, i see 15:38:26 I presume right now it's standalone, right? 15:38:51 it just edits the config, so i guess it is 15:39:57 #topic Change proposal: plasma-nm 15:40:03 OK, this is the last one. 15:40:12 jgrulich said he already put it into ON_QA state, right? 15:40:36 Kevin_Kofler: yes 15:41:14 I have no objections to that. 15:41:22 Is everybody fine with this assessment? 15:41:28 ON_QA++, now that it properly Obsoletes kde-plasma-networkmanagement 15:41:58 Is ModemManager 1.0 support included now? 15:42:22 Kevin_Kofler: yes 15:42:26 Great! 15:42:41 Kevin_Kofler: but I have to make git snapshots of libmm-qt/libnm-qt 15:42:55 * had to make 15:43:19 (It wouldn't really have been a requirement for the change IMHO, because it wasn't there to begin with, it's more for a ModemManager change… BTW, have they filed one? They should have…) 15:43:41 (But that it's included is great, of course.) 15:44:07 it even works :) 15:44:18 :-) 15:44:43 jgrulich has been able to connect to the O2 mobile network using it 15:44:50 You mean, unlike the hit-and-miss NM 0.9 "compat API" hack in early F15. ;-) 15:45:09 ye, I didn't like the compat layer from the start 15:45:20 btw, what does control the android tethering? especially usb and bluetooth? 15:45:45 NM + MM + bluez(5) 15:46:07 in this order 15:46:21 all of them, heh, thanks 15:46:25 mbriza: tethering via usb should work, it's not a problem of ModemManager 15:46:31 Doesn't BlueDevil also come into play? I think I have read it has some support for Bluetooth networking, but whether it actually works, I don't know. 15:47:01 Kevin_Kofler: nope, we use bluez directly... which reminds me we should port it to bluez5 too, heh 15:47:13 so that part might not work perfectly in F20 15:47:37 jgrulich: more work :) ^^ 15:47:56 but this wasn't part of the feature/change 15:48:20 Yeah, that's really supposed to be the BlueZ 5 change's job… 15:48:42 But I'm confident you can pull it off ASAP. 15:50:10 and I think this is not much used 15:50:46 #info This change is already in ON_QA state, no objections to that were raised. 15:50:53 #topic Open discussion 15:50:58 Anything else to discuss? 15:51:39 just a heads up, on a related note, I updated the bluedevil snapshot from the current git 15:51:52 do we have reserved day for KDE test day? 15:52:02 yes, the test day, thanks for reminding that 15:52:12 which should have an "almost-working" implementation of the bluez5 apu 15:52:14 api 15:53:02 We wanted Nov 7, is this now official? If not, and if there are no conflicts, we should officialize it ASAP or there WILL be conflicts. ;-) 15:53:36 that's Thursday for the record 15:54:08 Yes, it's the Thursday 3 weeks (and 2 days) from now. 15:57:34 So, who takes care of reserving and coordinating the Test Day? 15:57:53 mbriza: Can you take care of this? You have been driving this, haven't you? 15:59:31 i have been driving what? :) 15:59:34 but i can 15:59:56 Who do you think should own the KDE Test Day? :-) 16:00:07 Most likely not me. ^^ 16:00:12 mbriza: got driving license? :p 16:00:20 no idea but i can't just throw it on anyone else just like that! :D 16:00:24 ltinkl: yeah, damn 16:00:50 well, alright, i'm on it :) 16:01:22 Of course, if nobody feels responsible, we can just not hold a Test Day at all, I wouldn't be opposed to that. ;-) 16:04:42 #action mbriza to reserve the KDE Test Day. 16:04:51 I think that's all for today, thanks for coming! 16:04:55 #endmeeting