15:00:09 #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00:09 Meeting started Mon Oct 21 15:00:09 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:13 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00:16 #topic Roll call 15:00:20 * roshi is here 15:00:28 * satellit listening 15:00:28 * cmurf here 15:00:54 * mkrizek is here 15:00:59 * jreznik is here, not sure he will be available for the whole meeting - needs to pickup prescription in the ambulance 15:01:04 * kparal here 15:01:06 * handsome_pirate perches in the Crows Nest 15:01:19 jreznik: yikes, sounds worrisome 15:01:33 jreznik: What's up? 15:01:39 * pschindl is here 15:01:48 that's not a normal place to pick up a rx 15:02:29 * handsome_pirate tosses a couple crows eggs at roshi 15:02:36 roshi: sounds convenient though 15:02:44 lol 15:03:37 adamw, handsome_pirate: just running out of my medicine - chronic hypertension :) 15:05:18 ah, not an emergency then...whew 15:05:31 #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:05:34 just one thing here: 15:05:39 "roshi will update the Test Day SOP as agreed (encourage use of webapp for tracking test day results)" 15:05:44 roshi, has that been done? 15:05:52 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management#Set_up_the_TestDayApp 15:05:57 yep, edits welcome 15:06:23 * pwhalen is here 15:06:24 but I suppose the "edits welcome" part goes without saying... 15:08:53 =) 15:08:54 thanks! 15:09:11 good enough then? 15:09:33 #info "roshi will update the Test Day SOP as agreed (encourage use of webapp for tracking test day results)" - this was done, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management#Set_up_the_TestDayApp 15:09:46 roshi: i don't think it's necessary to create the matrix before the event any more, in fact it might just be confusing 15:10:10 i would've just said to create the metadata before the event, make sure the test day page explains where to go for the list of tests and to submit results, and copy the results in later 15:10:23 but that's just me... 15:10:33 yeah - but when you export the results it doesn't include the test names themselves 15:10:51 it just formats the results with the user that did them 15:11:07 ah, interesting 15:11:18 so you'd still need to create the matrix to copy the results into 15:11:25 yeah 15:11:26 still, not sure it needs to exist before the event happens... 15:11:38 maybe we should ask jskladan to tweak that if possible? probably make it easier 15:11:56 * roshi shrugs 15:12:19 before of after doesn't matter to me 15:12:39 I can ask jskaladan about the tweak 15:12:56 if the app pushed those out, then there'd be no need to think before/after for the matrix 15:13:14 right, exactly 15:13:22 just a simple copy/paste from the app into the page would be nice 15:13:26 yeah 15:13:41 where does the source live for the app? out of curiousity 15:13:45 #action roshi to talk to jskladan about improving testday app result table generation so no manual work is required to prime the table 15:14:30 roshi: i don't actually know; i've filed a ticket related to that 15:14:33 does anyone know? 15:15:07 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/426 15:15:50 it's flask-based, iirc right? 15:16:24 adamw: I guess https://github.com/rajcze/testdays_frontend 15:16:26 * adamw doesn't recall, sounds right 15:16:40 kparal: that looks like it 15:16:42 hmm, that's outdated repo probably 15:16:51 I guess Josef moved it somewhere else 15:16:52 do you folks want to keep just running that in the cloud? or ? 15:17:10 might be nice to move it to infra i guess 15:17:31 yeah. 15:17:38 * nirik is happy to help with that process. 15:18:31 best to start the discussion in qa-devel with jskladan in CC 15:18:32 kparal: is it OK if I action jskladan in his absence? 15:18:41 i could action nirik i guess 15:18:42 adamw: feel free to do so :) 15:19:09 #action jskladan and nirik to discuss moving testday result app to infrastructure, probably on qa-devel list 15:19:23 * nirik nods. I am already subscribed there. 15:19:28 coolbeans 15:19:53 anything else for follow-up? 15:20:37 alrighty then 15:20:41 #topic Fedora 20 Beta status 15:21:37 we still have quite a few unresolved blockers 15:21:40 so, we're not looking super awesome 15:21:41 indeed 15:21:43 mainly anaconda 15:21:43 yep :( 15:21:50 #info https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/20/beta/buglist still shows several unresolved blockers 15:21:58 mainly filesystems 15:22:11 i sent a blocker status mail to test/devel last week, ccing all involved developers, so everyone should be aware 15:22:22 not sure there's much more we can do from our side except make sure we have covered all testing bases 15:22:37 #action adamw to put together an F20 stable push request 15:22:40 (that needs doing) 15:22:59 oh, we should probably have done a blocker review meeting after qa meeting :( sorry for not announcing one 15:23:21 kparal: yep, that leads to one developer... 15:23:27 * handsome_pirate stumbles in for a couple minutes 15:23:28 do people want to do that? 15:23:30 ahoy pirate 15:23:48 Alas, I won't make the post meeting meeting 15:23:49 adamw: I'm OK with that 15:23:51 adamw: if there's nothing else for qa meeting, let's do it now 15:24:03 * handsome_pirate is busy getting paid 15:24:04 adamw: crank it out 15:24:09 * roshi will be here 15:24:17 jreznik: there are some more topics I guess, like Test Days 15:24:42 kparal: ok, so I'll follow it from phone 15:25:06 * sgallagh can represent FESCo at a blocker meeting if needed 15:25:39 jreznik: we decided to stop doing blocker review inside qa meetings, it's not a great process 15:25:54 #agreed we'll run a quick blocker review meeting in #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the hour 15:26:06 OK 15:26:14 how does test coverage look? 15:26:46 looks like we need more USB and cloud testing 15:26:54 any cloud-y folks around? 15:27:30 #info TC5 testing still has gaps, please everyone work to fill out the matrices and make sure our coverage is complete 15:27:40 * nirik could try and toss a tc5 into the infra cloud. 15:27:48 ok 15:27:50 i see missing usb, cloud, dvd install, repository and disk target tests 15:28:05 adamw, will be filling in the missing portions for arm today 15:28:11 awesome, thanks 15:28:16 * jreznik knows it's separate process just wanted to speed it up a bit :) 15:28:17 most of the USB test cases were tried with TC2 15:28:20 adamw: a lot of those were done with tc4 or tc3 so they're not totally untested, just not tested with current TC 15:28:22 did DVD as USB test 15:28:22 that's not that far ago 15:28:25 pwhalen: if you could be around for the blocker meeting it'd help, as there's an arm issue there we'll likely need info on 15:28:34 dd 15:28:44 cmurf: indeed, but best to be up to date, esp. as we have seen some breakage in partitioning stuff between TCs already 15:28:55 * roshi can do some USB testing 15:28:59 adamw, for sure 15:29:09 cannot do DVD to hrd metal from disk no dual layer here 15:29:11 adamw: understood 15:29:25 satellit: yeah, we're kinda stuck on that test for now :/ 15:29:52 i don't recall seeing a fully complete matrix for actual CD/DVD media testing 15:29:58 dd USB to hard metal works though 15:30:13 cmurf: we can't do DVD physical media testing really until it's undersize 15:30:19 unless someone goes and buys a dual layer disc :P 15:30:33 +1 satellit, this box is dd usb to hard metal 15:30:35 ohduhoknevermind 15:31:52 i can vouch for livecd-tools and dd to usb sticks for live, dvd, and netinst on Mac EFI 15:32:13 so that's three of the USB stick entries in the matrix 15:32:15 with TC5 15:32:52 virtualbox here cannot see network even though says it is connected for netinstall DVD and live...may be f20 3.10.1 15:33:05 boxes is OK 15:33:09 vbox isn't supported 15:33:10 :P 15:33:26 * cmurf updates matrix 15:33:27 worked in earlier TC's though 15:35:03 OK, sounds like we know where we are 15:35:09 anything else on f20 status? 15:35:14 oh 15:35:32 can people +1 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lorax-20.3-1.fc20 ? 15:35:44 it was used for TC5, so as long as that compose didn't explode (which it didn't), we can +1 the update 15:35:55 #info https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lorax-20.3-1.fc20 can be up-karmaed on the basis of TC5 testing 15:37:08 #topic Open floor 15:37:15 so I have something for this which I forgot to put on the agenda... 15:37:35 just two reminders - readiness and go/no-go meetings are held this week 15:37:36 #info this week is Graphics Test Week - please help out with prepping the test days and contributing results 15:37:59 wow the whole week 15:38:03 #action adamw to finish setting up gfx test week 15:38:05 cmurf: yeah, and we' 15:38:11 we're CLEARLY HIGHLY PREPARED :P 15:38:13 adamw: I can help you out with that 15:38:17 thanks 15:38:22 I'm a bit concerned about the wayland test day. still no wiki page and no test cases. the gfx test cases can be copied from the last time, but not wayland 15:38:24 #roshi to help adamw with setting up gfx test week 15:38:36 handsome_pirate: what's the wayland test day status? 15:38:37 kparal: yeah, we need to sort that out, but the copy/paste monkey-work comes first 15:38:42 worst comes to worst, we can re-schedule wayland 15:38:54 #info wayland test day is currently completely un-prepared, may need to be re-scheduled 15:38:55 note I did a rpm test of power for karma and now screen does not blank after 1 min etc stays on not important though 15:39:26 I pinged handsome_pirate on Friday about wayland test day 15:39:30 he's aware at least 15:39:49 the developers need to be aware and need to provide test cases :) 15:40:11 karpal exactly what i was going to ask, if he's getting the necessary input 15:40:35 so we should ping the wayland devs for test cases? 15:40:46 yeah, we should 15:40:48 and gnome 15:41:02 and kde 15:41:06 #action handsome_pirate, adamw and roshi to co-ordinate with wayland and GNOME devs to arrange wayland test cases 15:43:39 #info Go/No-Go and release readiness meetings for F20 Beta will both be held this Thursday 15:46:12 anything else for open floor, folks? 15:46:26 if anyone cares, rawhide composes were broken by createrepo 15:46:31 hopefully we have a fix today. 15:47:17 #info rawhide composes have been broken recently by createrepo, should be fixed today 15:49:12 welp, looks like we can finish early for a change, only to leap straight into a blocker review meeting :) 15:49:18 * adamw sets the Quantum Fuse 15:50:12 * jreznik has to go, will try to follow blocker meeting on the phone 15:51:08 thanks for coming, folks 15:51:11 blocker review in 9 minutes 15:51:16 over in #fedora-blocker-review 15:51:17 #endmeeting