13:59:37 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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13:59:38 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
13:59:38 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
13:59:38 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
13:59:55 * jjmcd 
14:00:10 <pbokoc> I'm here!
14:00:11 * Capesteve waves
14:00:16 * jhradilek <--
14:01:47 * pkovar is here
14:01:54 * randomuser refills his coffee
14:03:20 <randomuser> okay, that's time enough for roll call
14:03:30 <randomuser> #topic follow up on action items
14:03:56 <randomuser> jhradilek, can you share what you learned of publican, for the record?
14:04:39 <jhradilek> Oh, sure.
14:05:32 <jhradilek> So, the Fedora Documentation website and the infrastructure behind it is, of course, a high priority task for Rudi. Unfortunately, his hands are full right now, but he will be able to work on it in December.
14:05:58 <jhradilek> Also, Publican 4 should be released very, very soon.
14:06:11 <randomuser> that's exciting
14:06:24 <jhradilek> And it provides some very interesting features, like distributed sets in Git.
14:06:39 <randomuser> distributed sets?
14:06:50 <jhradilek> http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/3.2/html/Users_Guide/chap-Users_Guide-Using_sets.html#sect-Users_Guide-Using_sets-Distributed_sets
14:06:52 * randomuser isn't awake enough to follow along yet
14:07:28 <jhradilek> Basically a set of books, but instead of having all of them in one repo, you can just add links to the repos to publican.cfg.
14:07:37 <randomuser> also, I like their branding there
14:08:55 <pbokoc> oh, so we could create a single set out of all Fedora books?
14:09:27 <randomuser> so I could have one working directory, and build all the guides like `publican build ${opts} --config install-guide/installation-guide.cfg` ?
14:09:34 <randomuser> or.. what's the benefit?
14:09:37 <pbokoc> that sounds like there might be some problems with that - unique IDs being necessary across all books, for example
14:10:28 <jhradilek> pbokoc: Publican *tries* to solve that problem for you, but it doesn't always work. :)
14:11:10 <jhradilek> randomuser: I don't think it will affect anything on our website, but it allows me to build all my books for a particular product with just one command.
14:11:19 <randomuser> ah, i see
14:12:45 <randomuser> thanks, jhradilek
14:12:50 <randomuser> #topic release notes
14:12:59 <randomuser> not a lot to say here
14:13:12 <randomuser> jjmcd i see has been poking at the radio stuff
14:13:21 <jjmcd> Yeah, and a couple others
14:13:32 <jjmcd> But still more I would like to do
14:13:36 <jjmcd> this week is shot tho
14:13:40 * randomuser checks tx
14:13:58 <randomuser> looks like POTs need to be pushed for that, jjmcd ?
14:14:13 <jjmcd> Yes, I think there is no more on radio anyway
14:14:31 <jjmcd> I was hoping to get sci/tech done but ran out of cycles
14:15:30 * randomuser nods
14:16:07 <randomuser> jjmcd, if you discover anything that impacts the ARGuide, be sure to open bugs
14:16:24 <jjmcd> I need to take a hard look at that - so much to do there
14:16:47 <jjmcd> I guess I should make a to-do list in BZ
14:17:03 <jjmcd> Gotta admit, been spending a lot more time on my BZ than Fedora's
14:17:26 <randomuser> there's a better chance of getting help if there are tickets :P
14:17:32 <jjmcd> yepper
14:17:34 <randomuser> oh, you set up your own bz instance, jjmcd ?
14:17:49 <jjmcd> Yeah, that "graph" thing is way helpful
14:18:10 <jjmcd> Have a cronjob that prints my hot items each morning
14:18:14 * randomuser has been considering rt3
14:18:41 <Capesteve> jjmcd: Try "task" {see http://taskwarrior.org/projects/taskwarrior/wiki } for short ToDo lists {say, less than 30 tasks }
14:18:56 <jjmcd> Well, I have a couple hundred
14:19:19 <jjmcd> I was using a purpose-built php script but just couldn't easily deal with the complexity
14:20:00 <jhradilek> This will sound like a heresy from a Vim user, but have you tried Org Mode? :)
14:20:24 <randomuser> task 1: learn org mode
14:20:31 * jjmcd loves org mode
14:20:39 <Capesteve> sound like you need a  Priority Matrix
14:21:18 <jjmcd> It is a tad tedious setting up all the dependencies in BZ, but the dependency graph and attaching stuff is a big win
14:22:11 <jjmcd> I guess a couple hundred is an exaggeration, only 154 open ATM
14:22:39 <jjmcd> This being retired stuff is hard
14:22:50 * randomuser sneaks in and adds tasks to jjmcd's queue
14:23:34 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:23:39 <jjmcd> Probably a third are publican docs NOT Fedora
14:24:05 <randomuser> pbokoc, i saw you opened a big pile of task bugs against the installation guide
14:24:53 <pbokoc> yeah, I did. Not much has happened since though, I'm going to be crunching everything at the last minute
14:25:28 <randomuser> #info there are bugs opened for the Installation Guide if anyone wants to pick up some writing
14:27:16 <pbokoc> luckily afaik most of the new features are fairly minor, so the most time-consuming task is probably going to be taking new screenshots for the installer
14:27:38 <randomuser> pbokoc, someone has probably already done that
14:27:38 <pbokoc> and general housekeeping like checking URLs
14:27:47 <randomuser> just not for us :(
14:28:05 <pbokoc> what do you mean? On the wiki?
14:28:23 <randomuser> i saw croberts floating a ticket on the marketing trac about it, although i don't know if that's installer screenshots or desktop ones
14:29:00 <pbokoc> aha. Allright, I'll check if there's anything I can shamelessly steal
14:29:26 <randomuser> i'll ping if there is anything
14:29:30 <randomuser> ...that i find
14:29:32 <pbokoc> ok
14:29:47 <randomuser> #info screenshots are needed for the installation guide
14:31:10 <randomuser> jhradilek, what do we need for the sysadmin guide?
14:32:40 * satellit_ screenshots of f21 anaconda: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_21
14:33:26 <randomuser> see, pbokoc - it was on the sugarlabs wiki, of course :)
14:33:33 <randomuser> thanks satellit_
14:33:37 <satellit_> yw
14:33:43 <pbokoc> hehe, where else :)
14:34:27 <pbokoc> well, it's for F21... but there don't seem to be many differences
14:34:27 <jhradilek> randomuser: First of all, I need to go over the open bugs and apply all patches that were submitted to me.
14:35:07 <satellit_> f20 has screenshots also see link on top of page
14:36:00 <pbokoc> satellit_, ah, right. Thanks!
14:36:46 * satellit_ older anaconda on f20 though
14:38:00 <randomuser> it sounds like the IG is pretty straightforward; what about scheduling a day to review the sysadmin guide and get a task list going?
14:38:10 <randomuser> (probably after jhradilek applies patches? )
14:39:08 <pkovar> satellit_:  the gtk theme there seems to be a bit different though
14:39:19 <pkovar> looks a bit like unskinned gtk actually
14:39:33 <satellit_> f21 was mate install
14:40:00 <pkovar> ah, right
14:40:14 <pkovar> and f20 too i guess
14:40:16 <satellit_> only working rawhideon koji yesterday
14:43:03 <Capesteve> randomuser: We wanted to publish one last Fed19 guide
14:43:20 <randomuser> mmm
14:43:30 <Capesteve> I will try and do some FE19 and Fed 20 screenshots in this week or next
14:44:41 <jhradilek> Capesteve: It is not worth the effort at this point, I would say.
14:44:59 <randomuser> maybe just publish what you have/
14:45:10 <Capesteve> The screenshots or the publishing of FED19 Sys Admin Guide?
14:45:39 <Capesteve> anyway, I''ll go through the bugs that terminal raised
14:45:42 <jhradilek> Capesteve: Publishing the Fedora 19 System Administrator's Guide.
14:45:47 <Capesteve> oh
14:46:17 <jhradilek> Let's try and release the Fedora 20 book in December. :)
14:48:17 * randomuser notes he has been building towards working on the cloud guide but needs more practice with the tools
14:49:51 <randomuser> #info there are open bugs to be worked on sysadmin guide, and the goal is to publish for f20 in december
14:50:08 <randomuser> #topic open floor
14:50:55 <randomuser> i think the conversation is better on the list than here, but do check the thread I started about doing something different, please
14:55:23 <randomuser> crickets?
14:55:31 <randomuser> fair enough
14:55:35 <randomuser> thanks for coming, all
14:55:43 <Capesteve> ..
14:55:47 <randomuser> #endmeeting