14:09:34 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:09:34 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:09:34 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:09:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:09:40 * jhradilek <--
14:09:42 <randomuser> sorry, started the meeting in the wrong meeting room
14:09:43 <Capesteve> its the only part of the meeting I can nderstand
14:09:45 <pbokoc> o/
14:09:54 <jhradilek> Capesteve: :D
14:10:05 * Capesteve is hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
14:10:13 * yruseva here
14:10:13 <randomuser> ^^^ what a pro
14:10:19 * lnovich is here
14:10:29 <yruseva> who, me? :D
14:10:39 <randomuser> that too!
14:10:41 * pkovar is still here
14:10:53 * jhradilek needs *another* cup of coffee.
14:11:10 <randomuser> well then, that's a roll well called
14:11:18 * yruseva just had her second...
14:11:24 <randomuser> #topic Release Notes / Changes
14:11:43 * jreznik is here as always when release comes closer :)
14:11:47 <randomuser> The Changes are fairly well represented in the release notes, and some other bits besides
14:12:09 <randomuser> #info release notes rpm should be out by wednesday, publishing to docs.fp.o then too
14:12:27 <randomuser> jreznik, then there will be a link for the announcement, too
14:13:25 <jreznik> I think we will let you know in case we would need rpm earlier
14:14:05 <randomuser> jreznik, okay, do that. If it's really urgent, email me, that works better during my daytime
14:14:54 <randomuser> the Change tracking bugs for identifying documentation updates could use some attention, though. I see pbokoc cloned some for the install guide and Capesteve has something for NM bonding/bridging but not much else
14:16:21 <Capesteve> randomuser: I can take a look at those tomorrow evening
14:16:35 <randomuser> pbokoc, are you keeping an eye on the thinp feature? we're down to "maybe there will be experimental support in the installer"
14:17:53 <pbokoc> randomuser, sort of. When I was helping with the release notes I asked the feature owner. He said it'll stay configurable in the installer, but without direct access to advanced features
14:18:23 <pbokoc> so advanced users will be able to use things like overcommiting, but it won't work out of the box
14:19:07 <randomuser> i'm not sure that it's there yet
14:19:22 <pbokoc> randomuser, it's selectable in the automatic parittioning menu
14:19:29 <randomuser> fair enough
14:19:55 <randomuser> i only looked as far as the tracking page and bug
14:20:09 <randomuser> anything else on this topic before we move on?
14:20:22 <pbokoc> not from me :I
14:20:44 <randomuser> #info TODO: bugs are filed against docs-requests to identify updates docs based on F20 Changes
14:21:46 * jreznik is back, phone call...
14:22:18 <randomuser> #topic Guide Check-in
14:22:41 <randomuser> any news on guides? requests for help from the group?
14:23:16 <lnovich> help?
14:23:32 * randomuser helps
14:24:15 <lnovich> I would love some help
14:24:35 <randomuser> with anything in particular, lnovich ?
14:24:49 <lnovich> a 13th hour on the clock would be a good start
14:25:41 <randomuser> indeed
14:25:57 <lnovich> if not that, then my guide is more/less 3 weeks behind schedule
14:26:12 <randomuser> 3 weeks, as in 120 man-hours?
14:27:45 <randomuser> ok
14:27:56 <randomuser> #topic Docs FAD 2014
14:28:15 <randomuser> #info there is an upcoming Docs FAD at some point
14:28:35 <randomuser> Sparks, are you here to talk about it?
14:29:04 <Sparks> Hi
14:29:09 <randomuser> Hey there
14:29:32 <randomuser> I think we need to come up with a date - and january isn't looking too open for me
14:29:35 <Sparks> #info Sparks sent a message to Robyn regarding funding but hasn't heard back yet.
14:30:03 <Sparks> #info It appears that we won't have any problem with the Raleigh site but nothing official has been requested yet.
14:30:29 <randomuser> awesome
14:30:30 <Sparks> I haven't looked at the 'whenisgood' yet.  If you are interested in attending the FAD please do that!
14:30:55 <Sparks> #link http://whenisgood.net/docsfad2014
14:31:06 <jhradilek> Unofficially, we shouldn't have any problems with the Brno site either, but I need to know the exact dates to verify it.
14:31:18 <Sparks> jhradilek: +1
14:31:34 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_FAD_2014
14:31:49 <Sparks> jhradilek: Have you received any non-RH interest on that side of the pond?
14:31:56 <pbokoc> that site really needs a "wherever" button
14:32:06 <pbokoc> or whenever
14:32:10 <pbokoc> whatever
14:32:11 <jhradilek> Sparks: Nope. :(
14:32:32 <randomuser> somebody should drag bcotton along too
14:32:33 <Sparks> pbokoc: Just highlight it all and click submit.
14:32:40 <Sparks> randomuser: +1
14:32:51 <Sparks> I'll put that on my list of things to nag people about.
14:32:56 <pbokoc> oh, you can click the days too... nevermind then
14:33:02 <randomuser> #info agreed: bcotton will attend FAD whether he wills it or not
14:33:32 <Sparks> EOF
14:35:17 <randomuser> we also need to come up with some topics for the FAD, besides actually hacking on some docs
14:36:20 <randomuser> that's for the list, I suppose
14:36:38 <randomuser> #info post docs FAD topic ideas to the list so we can attend prepared
14:36:48 <randomuser> #topic outstanding BZ tickets
14:36:55 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:38:14 <randomuser> me looks for a troublesome bug to hammer on
14:38:58 <randomuser> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627417
14:39:15 <randomuser> I think our landing page could be a little more helpful
14:39:29 * randomuser wonders what croberts is up to with this
14:40:51 <randomuser> *shrug*
14:41:02 <randomuser> #topic open floor discussion
14:41:37 <Sparks> randomuser: So our documentation needs documentation?
14:42:02 <randomuser> and documentation for wrinting the documentation about documentation, yes
14:42:12 <Sparks> *sigh*
14:42:30 <randomuser> Sparks, it seems like a brief description of the more prevalent guides would be a good idea
14:42:39 <randomuser> or use cases
14:43:14 * jhradilek nods.
14:43:16 <Sparks> +1
14:43:32 * jhradilek would like to work on the Documentation Guide over the Christmas.
14:44:29 <jhradilek> I would like to present a new version to you in January and hopefully, we should have a final version ready before our FAD.
14:44:39 <lnovich> if I finish my guide by then I can help you jhradilek
14:44:46 <randomuser> final version! that's exciting
14:46:50 <randomuser> quiet in here... anything else?
14:47:15 <jhradilek> I wanted to ask Sparks about those video tutorials he's planning. :)
14:48:00 <lnovich> can someone give me the details of the FAD?
14:48:15 <jhradilek> lnovich: You should visit our Brno office. :)
14:48:23 <lnovich> thats the plan
14:48:31 <lnovich> when and where?
14:48:46 <randomuser> lnovich, did you see the whenisgood link above?
14:48:54 <randomuser> it's planned for then
14:49:14 <jhradilek> I'll update the wiki page with some more details about the Brno office later this week. Right now, the date is still not certain, but the location is pretty obvious. :)
14:52:20 <randomuser> Thanks for coming, everyone, see you around
14:52:24 <randomuser> #endmeeting