21:00:05 <sesivany> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2013-12-18
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21:00:15 <sesivany> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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21:00:22 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
21:00:40 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
21:00:41 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
21:00:57 <tonydyer> .fas tonydyer
21:00:57 <zodbot> tonydyer: tonydyer 'Tony Dyer' <mrtonydyer@gmail.com>
21:01:13 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
21:01:14 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
21:02:05 <sesivany> tonydyer: did you get my email? Welcome to ambassadors group!
21:03:44 <tonydyer> Yes Jiri
21:04:04 <tonydyer> Thanks
21:04:10 <sesivany> not many people today, looks like everyone is buying last minute presents :)
21:04:31 <tonydyer> Probably!
21:05:35 <sesivany> did I send a reminder? I'm pretty sure I did.
21:05:41 <gnokii> mmh
21:05:41 * sesivany is checking...
21:05:50 <gnokii> yes yesterday
21:06:49 <sesivany> ok, then, let's start.
21:06:54 <Sidkizz> .fas sidki
21:06:55 <zodbot> Sidkizz: sidki 'Sidki KBOUBI' <kboubi.sidki@gmail.com>
21:07:04 <sesivany> ok, we're 4 now :)
21:07:15 <sesivany> one more and we have a quorum :)
21:07:21 <Sidkizz> hey everyone and sorry for the delay
21:07:27 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
21:07:41 <sesivany> Sidkizz: no problem.
21:08:00 <sesivany> I've got one little announcement... ;)
21:08:08 <sesivany> Fedora 20 is out!
21:08:35 <Sidkizz> yeaah
21:08:46 <tonydyer> Got it. Installed it. Running it now...
21:08:56 <Sidkizz> that was the longest 7 days i had waiting for the release
21:09:06 <sesivany> #info Fedora 20 'Heisenbug' was released yesterday. It's time to start promoting the new release.
21:09:37 <sesivany> The release was quite smooth, but there was a problem with FedUp.
21:10:25 <Sidkizz> but the result was awsome in the end :D
21:11:22 <RGeri77> .fas rgeri77
21:11:22 <zodbot> RGeri77: rgeri77 'Rákosi Gergely' <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com>
21:11:41 <RGeri77> aohy
21:11:44 <RGeri77> ahoy
21:11:57 <sesivany> If you see people complaining about problems with FedUp, tell them to update FedUp.
21:12:00 <sesivany> RGeri77: ahoj!
21:12:07 <sesivany> any other announcements?
21:12:32 <RGeri77> I dreamed "What is Fedora" promotion video. But I will tell that later........
21:13:27 <GeroldKa> .fas geroldka
21:13:28 <zodbot> GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' <gerold@lugd.org>
21:14:00 <sesivany> RGeri77: ok
21:14:14 <sesivany> one more announcement...
21:15:13 <sesivany> #info F20 media will arrive from the vendor to Brno office on Jan 6th. Plan your release party accordingly.
21:15:50 <kmf> I'm late sorry
21:15:53 <Sidkizz> okey
21:16:00 <sesivany> ok, let's go on.
21:16:46 <sesivany> #topic Requests
21:16:54 * sesivany is checking the trac...
21:17:13 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report/1
21:17:17 <sesivany> FYI
21:18:47 <sesivany> there are quite a few polo shirt requests...
21:19:40 <sesivany> I'm going to work on them tomorrow or Friday.
21:20:21 <tonydyer> I'll get mine in tonight
21:21:08 <sesivany> There is a request from India which I think I can't satisfy.
21:21:29 <gnokii> India?
21:21:34 <kmf> .fas kmf
21:21:35 <zodbot> kmf: kmfcandu 'Kyle Fletcher' <kyle.fletcher@candu.com> - kmf 'Karl Fischer' <kmf@fischer.org.za>
21:21:42 <sesivany> the polo shirts are paid from EMEA budget and we can't really ship them worldwide.
21:22:01 <sesivany> but APAC is always welcome to join us.
21:22:15 <sesivany> AFAIK they have a lot of money left in their budget.
21:22:26 <GeroldKa> +1 to spend it
21:22:42 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
21:22:43 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
21:23:01 <gnokii> sesivany: but they have also open tickets and no meeting to approve them
21:23:35 <sesivany> I have no problem to produce it for them. But it kinda strange to produce it in region where it's much more expensive than in Asia.
21:23:49 <sesivany> the polo shirts are produced in Asia anyway :)
21:25:14 <sesivany> #info France is proposing beer mats - #326
21:25:18 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/326
21:25:37 <sesivany> what do you think about the idea? producing 5000 of them is quite pricy.
21:26:24 <sesivany> but generally what do you think about the idea to have Fedora-branded beer mats?
21:26:45 <sesivany> we had them for FUDCon EMEA 2012 AFAIK.
21:26:57 <gnokii> u want really the opinion?
21:27:27 <sesivany> gnokii: yes please, be honest :)
21:28:36 <gnokii> from a branding view, its well out of line. You putting something on top of it and it will not stay clean
21:28:44 * robyduck got them at FUDCon Paris, they are very nice but he doesn't use them
21:29:07 <mhroncok_mobile> Hi, sorry for being late
21:29:07 <sesivany> gnokii: that's a valid point.
21:29:18 <sesivany> mhroncok_mobile: no prob
21:29:30 <robyduck> hai mhroncok_mobile
21:29:36 <GeroldKa> !
21:29:36 <mhroncok_mobile> Hi all
21:29:43 <sesivany> GeroldKa: go ahead
21:29:48 <GeroldKa> also to be honest
21:29:56 <GeroldKa> but if that point is valid ...
21:30:07 <GeroldKa> we can't produce anything with the logo
21:30:17 <GeroldKa> because also a shirt or polo will become dirty
21:30:26 <robyduck> :)
21:30:34 <GeroldKa> so the only concern I have with that mate are
21:30:43 <GeroldKa> they are made of plastic
21:30:55 <gnokii> are they made of plastic?
21:31:02 <robyduck> yes gnokii
21:31:07 <GeroldKa> which is imho not the best idea for what a beer mate should be made of
21:31:13 <robyduck> and the glass slips
21:31:20 <gnokii> ooh then it makes more sense
21:31:41 <GeroldKa> afaik the request right now is for paper ones
21:31:49 <kmf> sesivany... Mouse pads... sounds 90`s
21:31:52 <GeroldKa> so for a oneway use
21:32:00 <GeroldKa> eof
21:32:16 <robyduck> if you want something for your beer I like the bottle openers more :)
21:32:31 <GeroldKa> +1 robyduck
21:32:35 <gnokii> +1
21:32:42 <sesivany> GeroldKa: I think they're proposing the same kind they produced for the FUDCon. And they were plastic. I still have one on my desk at work.
21:32:46 <gnokii> and the price is ugly high to
21:32:51 <GeroldKa> but th request right now is beer mate
21:33:04 <gnokii> we could produce for that price more useful things
21:33:29 <GeroldKa> so let's vote if that is the procedure
21:33:52 <sesivany> I would stall the ticket for now. Let's leave it there. We know the price, we know where to produce it if we decide by any chance to produce it.
21:34:11 <sesivany> frankly, we don't even have €2000 for that right now.
21:34:18 <GeroldKa> if money must be burned .....
21:34:26 <gnokii> +1
21:34:37 <GeroldKa> before it is stolen by the official sponsor
21:34:45 <gnokii> but GeroldKa double the price and we would get umbrellas
21:35:03 <GeroldKa> we have thousand ideas gnokii
21:35:06 <sesivany> GeroldKa: EMEA has $1000 left above our plans. I know better ways to spend it.
21:35:25 <GeroldKa> I fully trust and support you sesivany
21:35:40 <gnokii> GeroldKa: its not the idea, its like sesivany says there are better ways to burn money
21:35:44 <sesivany> but if we find out that NA has much more to spend, we might deal with spending $5000 or more in January.
21:36:00 <GeroldKa> +10
21:36:03 <sesivany> at that situation, we might consider even beer mats for such a price.
21:36:28 <sesivany> Ruth sent me numbers for NA today, I'll take a look at them tomorrow.
21:36:45 <GeroldKa> and btw. let mates away ;)
21:36:58 <GeroldKa> so let's prouce just the "left over" ...
21:37:03 <GeroldKa> B E E R
21:37:04 <GeroldKa> :-)
21:37:14 <robyduck> :)
21:37:18 <GeroldKa> s/prouce/produce
21:37:27 <sesivany> I would vote for beer :)
21:37:51 <gnokii> sure call it old toad then
21:37:59 <GeroldKa> harhar
21:38:07 <GeroldKa> come on, move forward
21:38:11 <sesivany> anyway, I propose to leave this ticket without voting. We can get back to it later when we know the financial situation for the rest of the fiscal year better.
21:38:18 <gnokii> +1
21:38:20 <GeroldKa> +1
21:39:04 <sesivany> I don't see any other tickets that require voting.
21:39:41 <sesivany> gnokii: btw i spoke with tuanta and they will consider covering your ticket to FOSSASIA.
21:39:53 <gnokii> woop
21:39:57 <sesivany> gnokii: they have a lot of money left in their budget.
21:40:12 <sesivany> gnokii: if they don't, we will cover it since it's already approved.
21:40:22 <gnokii> sesivany: they have a lot of other tickets for that event
21:41:11 <sesivany> gnokii: if kital doesn't buy you the ticket by the end of the year, let me know. My card will have a new credit balance in January.
21:41:46 <sesivany> if I submit an expense report for Rheinfelden by Friday :)
21:42:05 <sesivany> ok, let's move on to the next topic.
21:42:14 <sesivany> #topic Ambassador's Schedule
21:42:18 <gnokii> sesivany: btw do we have baseball caps left?
21:42:49 <sesivany> #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-20/f-20-ambassadors-tasks.html
21:43:01 <sesivany> gnokii: yes, we have. Not many though.
21:43:32 <gnokii> would take some with me if possible
21:43:52 <sesivany> gnokii: to FOSSASIA?
21:43:57 <gnokii> yes
21:44:04 <sesivany> gnokii: ok
21:44:17 <sesivany> ok, to the schedule
21:44:30 <gnokii> will take them from devconf, which I hopefully can visit this year again
21:44:41 <sesivany> as you can see, it's after the release.
21:44:52 <sesivany> so it's our time.
21:44:59 <sesivany> to promote the release.
21:45:00 <kmf> We will need a few caps for Idlelo
21:46:02 <sesivany> kmf: no problem, just file a ticket in advance because we usually have troubles with shipping to Africa.
21:46:16 <kmf> Ses
21:46:16 <sesivany> kmf: it often gets stuck at customs.
21:46:37 <gnokii> kmf did u talk with twohot?
21:46:52 <kmf> sesivany... No problem
21:47:03 <Sidkizz> sesivany: that is true for my case
21:47:04 <kmf> gnokii yep
21:47:41 <Sidkizz> but with adding "Gift" on the top of the packet it will have less problems
21:47:58 <kmf> sesivany I'm based in South Africa will that still be an issue
21:48:28 <sesivany> Sidkizz: yes, but it depends on how big the package is. If it's too big, any labels don't help :/
21:48:42 <Sidkizz> yep
21:48:47 <sesivany> kmf: never shipped a package there. But it suppose it may be smoother.
21:49:28 <kmf> gnokii we are kicking a few ideas around but our main concern is cost for the booth
21:49:32 <gnokii> sesivany: kmf about that we should speak with arthur to
21:49:38 <sesivany> anyway, at EMEA FAD we discussed Idlelo and we might send someone from Europe who could then take stuff with him.
21:49:52 <gnokii> kmf I know, but the fad decided enough money
21:50:22 <sesivany> yes, one thing is how much money we plan and the other how much we will get.
21:50:35 <sesivany> but I'm pretty sure we will be able to afford the booth.
21:50:53 <gnokii> twohot wrote also a mail to the organizer if they mean the prices for real
21:50:56 <kmf> Awesome
21:51:02 <sesivany> the first cut on that event would be flying someone from europe.
21:51:27 <sesivany> gnokii: maybe they want to bargain :)
21:51:50 <sesivany> actually the price is huge even for Europe or US.
21:52:16 <gnokii> sesivany: yeah we will see price is higher then for linuxconf and that are also shameless costs
21:52:19 <sesivany> open source projects usually get booths for free.
21:53:04 <sesivany> we're already talking just about events, let's switch to that topic...
21:53:07 <sesivany> #topic Events
21:53:22 <kmf> gnokii the organiser asked if I could present a session or two .. Hopefully they can cover my flight
21:53:45 <mhroncok_mobile> !
21:54:08 <sesivany> mhroncok_mobile: go ahead
21:54:37 <mhroncok_mobile> If they cover flights for those who give talks
21:54:51 <mhroncok_mobile> We should just all propose talks
21:55:07 <mhroncok_mobile> So we don't spend our money
21:55:14 <mhroncok_mobile> Eof
21:55:35 <sesivany> mhroncok_mobile: well, you definitely don't lose anything by proposing a talk :)
21:55:39 <sesivany> so why not.
21:55:39 <gnokii> mhroncok_mobile: its not about the travel costs, they want for the booth money and for the entry
21:55:50 <kmf> There was a call for papers
21:56:07 <mhroncok_mobile> They won't charge us for entry, if we have talks
21:56:19 <gnokii> mhroncok_mobile: they do
21:56:26 <mhroncok_mobile> kmf: still open?
21:56:52 <mhroncok_mobile> gnokii: that sounds stupid
21:58:19 <sesivany> #info we're planning to have a booth at Idlelo, the biggest FLOSS event in Africa, even though it's expensive.
21:58:27 <sesivany> one important thing!
21:58:41 <sesivany> for those who didn't attend EMEA FAD.
21:58:47 <kmf> mhroncok_mobile yes
21:58:57 <sesivany> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Rheinfelden_2013#Agenda
21:59:40 <sesivany> #info please go through the list of events in 2014 and if something you need money for is missing, just add it with cost estimation.
21:59:42 <kmf> mhroncok_mobile Abstract ( Maximum 500 words): 31st December 2013
22:00:21 <sesivany> we have time to work on our budget proposal for FY2015 (March 2014-Feb 2015) till January.
22:00:26 <gnokii> some of the typos are funny
22:00:49 <sesivany> so don't hesitate to add your input ;)
22:01:29 <gnokii> mmh if Linuxwochen Vienna sticks with the date I will not do it
22:01:47 <sesivany> gnokii: too close to LinuxTag?
22:01:56 <gnokii> to close, same time
22:03:07 <sesivany> ok, we'll see. The Hungarians can take over in that case. Or us from Brno.
22:03:43 <gnokii> yeah lets see had already an debate about make it on the week after
22:04:00 <sesivany> btw we got a booth at FOSDEM 2014
22:04:23 <sesivany> #info Our booth at FOSDEM 2014 is confirmed.
22:05:50 <sesivany> I see several indications of funding in the list.
22:05:57 <sesivany> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2014
22:06:57 <sesivany> #info If you want to ask for travel&lodging funding for FOSDEM 2014, please create a ticket in our track. All sponsored people will have a duty at the booth.
22:08:17 <sesivany> also think about what special we can prepare for the most important FLOSS event in Europe.
22:08:39 * mhroncok_mobile has low battery, might disappear
22:09:01 <sesivany> any questions about FOSDEM?
22:09:36 <sesivany> if not...
22:10:03 <sesivany> one week after it, there is another important event for Fedora - DevConf.cz
22:10:22 <sesivany> where we will have a Fedora Day.
22:10:38 <tonydyer> Bye folks, need to go now
22:10:43 <tonydyer> quit
22:10:46 <sesivany> tonydyer: bye!
22:11:27 <sesivany> and finally release events!
22:11:32 <gnokii> sesivany: if you tell me you have a place where I can sleep I book the train
22:12:29 <kmf> can I add the link to Idlelo page on the wiki?
22:12:52 <sesivany> gnokii: the accommodation registration will start tomorrow. You have a place in the hotel reserved.
22:12:58 <sesivany> kmf: sure
22:13:03 <kmf> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IDLELO_6
22:13:18 <gnokii> ooh fine then I will come definitive
22:13:57 <sesivany> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_release_events
22:14:06 <sesivany> just 7 release events so far.
22:14:22 <sesivany> I hope we will get above 10 at least.
22:14:40 <sesivany> I still haven't registered mine :-/
22:14:54 <sesivany> mhroncok_mobile: what about a release party in Prague? ;-)
22:15:27 <mhroncok_mobile> Well, I didn't plan that, but maybe
22:16:35 <sesivany> Sidkizz: if you hold the release party on Jan 8th, I won't be able to get F20 DVDs to you because they will arrive from the vendor on the 6th. But if you tell me that you want to hold it on the 8th anyway I can at least send you other swag tomorrow or on Friday.
22:17:08 <Sidkizz> Ah
22:17:18 <Sidkizz> sesivany: i didn't change the date
22:17:30 <sesivany> Sidkizz: I just read you comments in the ticket.
22:17:44 <Sidkizz> i did managed with the university to delay the reservation
22:17:45 <sesivany> Sidkizz: ok, I'll send you at least other swag.
22:18:12 <Sidkizz> okey
22:18:14 <Sidkizz> thx
22:18:49 <sesivany> we usually receive DVDs within 10 days after the release, but this time it's delayed due to Christmas. There are public holidays during Christmas in most European countries.
22:19:30 <Sidkizz> we are alrady in holidays for the end of the month
22:19:49 <sesivany> Sidkizz: and I will also include the polo shirt you asked for.
22:20:26 <Sidkizz> clear sesivany :)
22:20:49 <sesivany> ok, is that all for events?
22:21:08 <Sidkizz> there is an other one but i don't know if we could talk about it
22:21:27 <Sidkizz> education freedom day
22:21:42 <sesivany> Sidkizz: if it's an event, just bring it up.
22:21:43 <Sidkizz> from the same software freedom day organization
22:21:54 <sesivany> Sidkizz: when is it?
22:22:07 <Sidkizz> 18th of January
22:22:50 <sesivany> that's still quite early for the media :-/
22:23:05 <sesivany> but it'd be awesome if Fedora was there ;)
22:23:15 <Sidkizz> yes Fedora will be
22:23:28 <Sidkizz> http://efd.cllfsm.org/interventionsateliers/
22:23:39 <Sidkizz> they invited us
22:24:16 <Sidkizz> i wanted to talk about education spins but i didn't get feedback from education irc or mailing list
22:24:50 <sesivany> Sidkizz: the spin is dead. The last version was based on Fedora 12.
22:24:58 <Sidkizz> yep
22:25:10 <Sidkizz> i was happy by the mail of Jiri earlier
22:25:19 <Sidkizz> a good initiative
22:25:31 <sesivany> Sidkizz: yes, that's me :)
22:25:46 <Sidkizz> lol
22:25:58 <Sidkizz> enchanté x)
22:26:15 <Sidkizz> so happy with your initiative :)
22:26:41 <sesivany> I don't think we need a special spin right now. Stock Fedora is fine, we just need to find ways to teach them to use it in education.
22:27:06 <Sidkizz> I agry
22:27:30 <gnokii> well fedora would not have really a chance in germany on schools
22:27:43 <Sidkizz> there are many ideas and i hope we will discuss them
22:28:01 <sesivany> of course Fedora still has all the education software in repositories. We just don't build a special ISO that includes it by defaults.
22:28:01 <Sidkizz> why gnokii?
22:28:45 <gnokii> simple changes to fast, a teacher is responsible for the computers and the next to his other work
22:29:36 <sesivany> gnokii: that's true. But we're not aiming at mass deployment of Fedora. Small steps are enough.
22:30:30 <sesivany> gnokii: I don't expect Fedora to be on every German school any soon, but if just a few of them try it, it's a success.
22:31:01 <Sidkizz> we'll try what we can
22:31:02 <gnokii> sesivany: u will not get it to a few, what u think scientific exists for?
22:31:26 <Sidkizz> this year in Tunisia is consacred for free software and eductaion
22:31:44 <Sidkizz> so it will be a good opertunity
22:31:51 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
22:33:27 <sesivany> gnokii: well, Scientific Linux has its advantages and disadvantages. Yes, it's moving much slower, but it doesn't offer such a large selection of software as Fedora. Especially educational stuff. What the guys in CERN added is software for research, not for teaching students, or for students to develop their homeworks.
22:34:39 <kmf> Seasons greetings to all :) last EMEA meeting of 2013
22:36:21 <Sidkizz> kmf: thx, and c u in next year's meeting :)
22:36:49 <sesivany> is that all today?
22:38:27 <sesivany> it seems so...
22:38:38 <sesivany> thank you for attending!
22:38:51 <sesivany> meet you next year!
22:39:10 <Sidkizz> yep
22:39:20 <sesivany> #endmeeting