04:00:58 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting APAC Ambassadors meeting 2013-12-21
04:00:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Dec 21 04:00:58 2013 UTC.  The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:01:07 <FranciscoD> #meetingname APAC Ambassadors meeting 2013-12-21
04:01:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'apac_ambassadors_meeting_2013-12-21'
04:01:09 <nangthang> .fas nangthang
04:01:09 <zodbot> nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' <thangnguyennang1988@gmail.com>
04:01:14 <FranciscoD> #topic Init process
04:01:16 <dramsey> .fas dramsey
04:01:17 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:01:17 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com>
04:01:20 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:01:21 <FranciscoD> .hellomynameis ankursinha
04:01:23 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
04:01:24 <harish> .fas harish
04:01:28 <tuanta> hello my friends :)
04:01:29 <zodbot> harish: appletonprince 'Harish Talluri' <appletonprince@gmail.com> - ramchandanih 'Harish Ramchandani' <ramchandani_h@yahoo.com> - harishpgc10 'Harish Kumar Gupta' <harishgupta.appin@gmail.com> - harish386 'Harish Kumar' <harish386@gmail.com> - harishvedha 'Harish Muralidhar' <harishvedha@gmail.com> - vaharish '' <vaharish@gmail.com> - saphar 'hariharan saptharishi' <hariharan.saptharishi@gmail.com> - harishneit (5 more messages)
04:01:29 <harish> .fas harishpillay
04:01:32 <zodbot> harish: harishpillay 'Harish Pillay' <harish.pillay@gmail.com>
04:01:35 <tuanta> a long time
04:01:40 <ikhyar> ..fas ekoikhyar
04:01:48 <tuanta> nice to see you today, harish :)
04:01:49 <ikhyar> .fas ekoikhyar
04:01:49 <harish> tuanta, yes. today i don't have an errand to run :-)
04:01:49 <zodbot> ikhyar: ekoikhyar 'eko ikhyar' <ikhyar.com@gmail.com>
04:01:51 * FranciscoD waits a few more minutes for folks to join in
04:02:04 <tonghuix> .fas tonghuix
04:02:05 <zodbot> tonghuix: tonghuix 'tonghuix' <tonghuix@gmail.com>
04:02:10 <RobberPhex> .fas robberphex
04:02:11 <zodbot> RobberPhex: robberphex 'RobberPhex' <robberphex@gmail.com>
04:02:18 <dramsey> +1 FranciscoD
04:02:40 <FranciscoD> #chair dramsey tuanta RobberPhex ikhyar harish kushal nangthang
04:02:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD RobberPhex dramsey harish ikhyar kushal nangthang tuanta
04:02:48 <FranciscoD> Did I miss someone?
04:02:55 <kushal> .kushal
04:02:57 <kushal> .fas kushal
04:02:58 <zodbot> kushal: kushalkaur 'Kushal Kaur Sardar' <skushalkaur@gmail.com> - kush4l 'Kushal Sakurdeep' <kush4l@gmail.com> - kmrkushal 'kumar kushal' <kmr.kushal@gmail.com> - spallion 'kushal kant goyal' <krishan0103@gmail.com> - kushal119 'kushal J. Gujarati' <kushaljsk@gmail.com> - kushal 'Kushal Das' <kushaldas@gmail.com> - kushalsingh 'Kushal Pal Singh' <kushal.singh@gmail.com> - kushalsen 'Kushal Sen Laskar' (1 more message)
04:03:00 * kushal is too sleepy
04:03:14 <dramsey> +1
04:03:19 <FranciscoD> Ok. The usual. Please use "!" or "?" to request a turn to speak, and end with "EOF" when you're done.
04:03:36 <harish> +1
04:03:37 <FranciscoD> To save time, you can keep your text typed in beforehand if possible.
04:03:44 <FranciscoD> Let's begin
04:03:47 <FranciscoD> #Topic Announcements
04:03:52 <FranciscoD> tuanta: anything from FAmSCo?
04:04:21 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora 20 is *LIVE*
04:04:53 <FranciscoD> #info bckurera hasn't been able to make it again.
04:05:06 <FranciscoD> tuanta: here?
04:05:21 <tuanta> what's happened with bckurera?
04:05:40 <blurr> hallo all, hallo all,
04:05:40 <blurr> I am a representative of the implementing activities Fedora 19 release party Aceh
04:05:50 <FranciscoD> tuanta: Not sure. No communication with him in the recent past.
04:05:54 <FranciscoD> .fas blurr
04:05:54 <zodbot> FranciscoD: blurrsp 'fadhil' <matekong@gmail.com> - blurrcode 'fadhil' <blurrcodex@gmail.com> - ramblurr 'Casey Link' <me@caseylink.com> - nodame6 'uly li' <blurrypea@gmail.com> - blurr 'fadhil' <blurrcode@gmail.com>
04:06:02 <FranciscoD> #chair blurr
04:06:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD RobberPhex blurr dramsey harish ikhyar kushal nangthang tuanta
04:06:03 <tuanta> there are no specials from FAmSCo
04:06:18 <FranciscoD> #info No special announcements from FAmSCo.
04:06:24 <FranciscoD> tuanta: Should I move to trac tickets then?
04:06:28 <tuanta> just discussed about regional budget this year.
04:06:28 * alick is here
04:06:34 <tuanta> we will be back to this topic later
04:06:34 <FranciscoD> .fas alick
04:06:35 <zodbot> FranciscoD: alick 'Zhao Tao' <alick9188@gmail.com> - patrikskalicky 'Patrik Skalicky' <patrik.skalicky@gmail.com> - walicki 'John Walicki' <johnwalicki@gmail.com> - sakodak 'Jason Balicki' <sakodak@gmail.com> - alickee '' <alick.tmp@gmail.com> - drako 'Stefan Palicki' <stefan.palicki@gmail.com>
04:06:42 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo alick
04:06:44 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: alick, Name: Zhao Tao, email: alick9188@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-02-18, IRC Nick: alick, Timezone: Asia/Hong_Kong, Locale: zh_CN, GPG key ID: C9AB214F, Status: active
04:06:44 <FranciscoD> #chair alick
04:06:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD RobberPhex alick blurr dramsey harish ikhyar kushal nangthang tuanta
04:06:47 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: docs docs-writers fedorabugs docs-publishers cla_fedora cla_done cvsl10n cla_fpca ambassadors
04:06:56 <FranciscoD> tuanta: Ok, great. I'm moving on to trac tickets then.
04:07:03 <FranciscoD> #topic Trac tickets to be discussed.
04:07:12 <FranciscoD> The list is here: #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
04:07:55 <FranciscoD> #info Ticket 103: Fedora 20 Release Party and Event For January 2014 - dramsey
04:07:58 <FranciscoD> Fedora 20 Release Party and Event For January 2014
04:07:59 <FranciscoD> grr
04:08:01 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/103
04:08:06 <iThinkDev> Hello all
04:08:10 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F20_Tokyo
04:08:32 <dramsey> ;)
04:08:38 <FranciscoD> dramsey: 450$?
04:08:46 <dramsey> FranciscoD, yes.
04:08:46 <FranciscoD> tuanta: ^
04:08:51 <kushal> I thought my ticket was there for FOSSASIA :(
04:08:57 <dramsey> eof
04:09:07 <FranciscoD> kushal: did it have the meeting keyword? I'll just go look for it.
04:09:29 <kushal> FranciscoD, nope I guess, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/98
04:09:33 <FranciscoD> kushal: There's *one* ticket for FOSSASIA that Mario opened. We'll look at it in sequence.
04:09:41 <FranciscoD> kushal: adding 98 to agenda
04:10:14 <kushal> FranciscoD, Thanks
04:10:46 <FranciscoD> dramsey: iirc, FAmSCo suggested that release parties be limited to 100$ budgets..
04:10:53 <FranciscoD> tuanta: here?
04:10:59 * FranciscoD thinks tuanta has a bad connection or something
04:11:02 <tuanta> sorry, I am on the phone
04:11:36 <FranciscoD> dramsey: how many media are you getting for 350$?
04:11:42 <harish> i think Japanese costs are much higher and explains the $450 budget request.
04:12:04 <dramsey> FranciscoD, 200+ eof
04:12:05 <dramsey> harish, very true eof
04:13:11 <FranciscoD> I'm a +1 for this. dramsey does his events regularly. I think tuanta will have the final say on this one though.
04:13:35 <FranciscoD> dramsey: all your release events always cost 450$?
04:13:43 * FranciscoD is looking at ticket #102 now.
04:13:44 <harish> honestly $100 does not get you much in .jp
04:14:12 <dramsey> FranciscoD, good question, F18 was $400, each for the two events.  eof
04:14:30 <FranciscoD> dramsey: How many such events do you intend to hold? One each month?
04:14:39 <FranciscoD> (ie. will you need 450$ each month?)
04:15:26 <dramsey> FranciscoD, good question, usually monthly (regular events) are $200.  eof
04:15:37 <FranciscoD> Ok.
04:15:47 <dramsey> FranciscoD, oh every month, about 2 (regular events,) eof
04:16:28 <FranciscoD> I think we have funds to support these, but I really don't have exact figures. tuanta has them, so I think he'll be in the best position to decide if they can all be accomodated.
04:16:41 <FranciscoD> (we had left over funds last quarter iirc)
04:16:54 <FranciscoD> +1 from me, pending approval from tuanta.
04:17:15 <FranciscoD> Do any others want to weigh in on #102 and #103?
04:17:45 <harish> +1 from me
04:17:55 * tuanta is back
04:18:38 <kushal> Looks good
04:19:16 <FranciscoD> tuanta: we're discussing #102 and #103. They both require $450 each. I think they're fine, but I think you should consult the budget and see if there are enough funds available.
04:19:53 <tuanta> sure, there is enough available fund for it
04:19:58 <ikhyar> !
04:20:01 <FranciscoD> ikhyar: go
04:20:20 * FranciscoD counts that as a +1 from tuanta
04:20:21 <ikhyar> sorry to this question, what best solution for #90
04:20:36 <FranciscoD> ikhyar: we'll come to that ticket.
04:20:46 <ikhyar> i think indonesian folk trauma about this :)
04:20:54 <FranciscoD> #agreed dramsey 's tickets #102 and #103 approved.
04:21:03 <ikhyar> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/90
04:21:03 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update ticket with approval details
04:21:28 <ikhyar> could you give me the input to be delivered to my friends
04:21:36 <ikhyar> eof
04:21:45 <FranciscoD> ikhyar: lets' discuss that one first. It's been filed for 5 months now.
04:21:48 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/90
04:22:02 <FranciscoD> #info #90 - Indonesia community Release party.
04:22:17 <ikhyar> yes
04:22:43 <FranciscoD> ikhyar: blurr : The fund request is OK. I think we can manage them. The only issue is that the ticket needs to be filed before the event, and approved.
04:22:45 <ikhyar> i dont know what best solution about this ticket
04:23:33 <FranciscoD> It's happened in the past, and we're not happy with people doing events without approval from the budget and turning up requesting money.
04:23:46 <FranciscoD> ikhyar: Can I request you to please relay this to everyone in the Indonesia community?
04:23:49 <ikhyar> +1
04:23:55 * alick seems to be expriencing periodical network connection issue ...
04:24:06 <FranciscoD> All events that require reimbursement have to be approved before they're held
04:24:10 <FranciscoD> Like dramsey etc are doing now.
04:24:16 <FranciscoD> +1 from me
04:24:25 <FranciscoD> tuanta: Do you have anything to say for ticket 90?
04:24:29 <tuanta> btw, are there any ambassadors in organizing team?
04:24:36 <FranciscoD> (tuanta + any else)
04:25:00 <FranciscoD> tuanta: the reporter is/was an ambassador.
04:25:04 <FranciscoD> (I think)
04:25:11 <tuanta> who?
04:25:15 <harish> is the total sum $219? (after a quick glance).
04:25:22 <FranciscoD> tuanta: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jurankdankkal
04:25:23 <tuanta> .fasinfo ikhyar
04:25:24 <zodbot> tuanta: User "ikhyar" doesn't exist
04:25:41 <FranciscoD> harish: yep, 219$
04:25:48 * FranciscoD notes that 100$ is snacks
04:25:50 <blurr> I am implementing these activities
04:25:55 <ikhyar> my fas ekoikhyar :)
04:25:58 <FranciscoD> But that's probably OK for a relesae "party"
04:26:01 <tuanta> but it seems he was not active at this event
04:26:13 <tuanta> .fasinfo ekoikhyar
04:26:14 <zodbot> tuanta: User: ekoikhyar, Name: eko ikhyar, email: ikhyar.com@gmail.com, Creation: 2009-08-16, IRC Nick: ikhyar or ekoikhyar, Timezone: Asia/Makassar, Locale: id, GPG key ID: 4F33392D, Status: active
04:26:17 <zodbot> tuanta: Unapproved Groups: marketing l10n-commits
04:26:20 <zodbot> tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_fpca cla_fedora cla_done freemedia cvsl10n ambassadors
04:27:34 <tuanta> blurr: you are the man discussed in ticket #90?
04:27:55 <blurr> yes
04:28:27 <tuanta> I see you did those activities well. why don't you apply to Ambassador program?
04:28:55 <tuanta> as an ambassadors, you would have better support from your mentor and the community
04:29:32 <blurr> thank you, but I do not understand the meaning of the ambassador program?
04:29:37 <tuanta> something like how to get your fund request approved; how to get reimbursement, etc.
04:30:23 <tuanta> then it's easier for you to organize events/activities like this
04:30:36 <blurr> but I had a discussion with one of the Indonesian ambassador to implement this activity
04:31:01 <tuanta> I see you ask a lot in the ticket while all those information could be found on wiki
04:31:11 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement
04:31:46 <FranciscoD> tuanta: can we discuss this in the open floor after trac tickets? (I see there are people waiting to get their tickets discussed). Lets just decide if this ticket is to be approved or not right now?
04:31:56 <harish> blurr - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
04:32:32 <tuanta> FranciscoD: ok, just try to know the situation before I can support blurr for the ticket #90
04:32:36 <blurr> thank's
04:32:59 <ikhyar> blurr: you mean jurank (yogi)
04:33:17 <FranciscoD> is jurank still active?
04:33:19 <blurr> yes
04:33:48 <tuanta> blurr: as am ambassador, jurank can not approve a fund request
04:33:52 <FranciscoD> ++
04:34:19 <tuanta> that's why FranciscoD said that your ticket was not approved in advance
04:34:52 <FranciscoD> #action blurr ikhyar Relay to the Indonesia community that events will not be reimbursed if their tickets are not approved before hand in an APAC meeting. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement
04:35:17 <FranciscoD> tuanta: Given that it's 200$, I think we can make another exception this time.
04:35:39 <FranciscoD> Although, I'd like to stop these exceptions. They seem to crop up every meeting.
04:35:40 <kushal> I will have to run in another few minutes
04:36:07 <blurr> sorry, I understand now,
04:36:08 <blurr> whether these activities may be done for a refund
04:37:03 <tuanta> I think we should vote for this case
04:37:11 <tuanta> it's fine to me
04:37:14 <FranciscoD> +1
04:37:37 <kushal> +1
04:37:39 <tuanta> we would like to encourage people to do more activities/events for Fedora
04:37:41 <harish> ok to make exception this time. but would be good to see plans for fedora 20.
04:37:48 <alick> +1
04:37:50 <harish> +1
04:37:53 <nangthang> +1
04:37:55 <ikhyar> +1
04:38:00 <tuanta> +1 for exception
04:38:11 <tuanta> and +1 harish
04:38:20 <FranciscoD> #agreed Approve ticket #90 - make an exception this time.
04:38:30 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update ticket 90 with approval details
04:38:37 <tuanta> I like to hear about their plans for Fedora 20 and the future
04:38:46 <harish> +1 to that tuanta
04:39:08 <FranciscoD> tuanta: lets' discuss kushal's ticket next?
04:39:24 <FranciscoD> #info Sponsorship for FOSSASIA 2014 - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/98
04:39:36 <FranciscoD> Related ticket #97 - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/97
04:40:17 <tuanta> yes, they are related, but not mandatory
04:40:18 <kushal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSSASIA_2014 is the wiki page
04:40:29 <FranciscoD> kushal: you haven't given details on the amount you need. Any idea what the hotel will cost?
04:40:29 <tuanta> we can approve one or both
04:40:45 <FranciscoD> tuanta: shouldn't we wait until all participants have made their requests?
04:40:50 <FranciscoD> For example, you intend to attend it oo
04:41:12 <FranciscoD> It's quite a major event, and will require quite a few funds.
04:41:43 <FranciscoD> Kushal needs about 600$ for flights + hotels
04:42:05 <FranciscoD> skemter will fly in from EMEA? He'll need support too.
04:42:26 <FranciscoD> So will you, nangthang and the rest?
04:42:28 <tuanta> I will raise the current budget status up in the next topic, but I can say that there are thousands dollar left in APAC budget
04:42:52 <tuanta> skemter should request from EMEA fund
04:43:44 <FranciscoD> tuanta: you want to approve these tickets now?
04:43:45 <tuanta> I think, we should approve supports for event and each participants separately
04:44:24 <nangthang> +1 tuanta
04:45:03 <kushal> yes
04:45:19 <alick> Should such event be discussed in FamSco meeting?
04:46:21 <tuanta> no, alick. that fund request is lower than $1,000
04:46:44 <FranciscoD> tuanta: does the fund request for the event need to be below 1000? or  the sumtotal funds that Fedora is providing to the event?
04:47:06 <FranciscoD> the event itself asks for 900, but adding all the support the attendees will receive, it's quite more than 1000
04:47:20 <tuanta> please see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement#Limits_per_trac_ticket
04:48:10 <tuanta> FranciscoD: we can reject/approve each case separately
04:48:14 <alick> ok I see.
04:48:56 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I still think the event and all related costs should be seen together, but OK.
04:49:06 <tuanta> event organizer could request for fund or not. it does not effect to participants to request for travel subsidy
04:49:34 <FranciscoD> Ok.
04:49:41 <tuanta> we should separate those request, I think.
04:49:53 <harish> tuanta, that is correct.
04:50:05 <tuanta> thank harish
04:50:45 <FranciscoD> I'd like to leave the event request for later. I don't see a proper agenda on their website
04:50:48 <FranciscoD> http://fossasia.org/schedule-fossasia-2014
04:51:12 <tuanta> also, the organizer is not available here today
04:51:16 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD
04:51:26 <tuanta> we should discuss that ticket later
04:51:54 <alick> We need to approve the event first, then travel subsidy for participant, right?
04:52:14 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I'd also like to know if Fedora is the only community supporting the event.
04:52:19 <tuanta> no, alick. as I mentioned above, event organizer could request for fund or not but it does not effect to participants to request for travel subsidy
04:52:59 <tuanta> no, FranciscoD. it is mainly supported by MBM, the company of Mario Behling
04:53:02 <FranciscoD> They list a lot of projects on their page, but I'd like to confirm if we're co-sponsoring or if we're the sole sponsors.
04:53:12 <alick> tuanta: but if organizer request, the order still does not matter?
04:53:18 <harish> we will need the event organizer to be on this meeting for this to conclude.
04:53:39 <FranciscoD> tuanta: so Fedora should be in the "organizing partner" list, instead of the project list, for example
04:53:45 <FranciscoD> (if we sponsor them, that is)
04:54:05 <tuanta> ah, yes. good point, FranciscoD
04:54:18 <FranciscoD> harish: +1. Let's request the organizer to attend the meeting and then discuss it. We can't do much without more information.
04:54:19 <tuanta> we should note this idea into the ticket
04:54:20 <harish> insist that mario be on the next meeting.
04:54:42 <tuanta> yes, it should be delayed to discuss later
04:54:49 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD harish
04:55:00 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD request event organizer for FOSSASIA to attend the meeting so we can make a decision on it.
04:55:14 <tuanta> alick: yes, it does not matter
04:55:22 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I've already sent a mail to the list, but it's really the organizers task to at least inform the community that the event is happening.
04:55:34 <alick> tuanta: got it, thx.
04:55:39 <FranciscoD> I'm not sure how you people found out about it. I only found out about when I saw the trac ticket.
04:56:04 <harish> FranciscoD, i got a funding request from Mario.
04:56:07 <FranciscoD> .fas mariobehling
04:56:08 <zodbot> FranciscoD: mariobehling 'Mario Behling' <mb@mariobehling.de>
04:56:11 <tuanta> alick: we can even reject the fund request for the event, but approve other travel subsidy requests from other participants
04:56:17 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo mariobehling
04:56:18 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: mariobehling, Name: Mario Behling, email: mb@mariobehling.de, Creation: 2009-05-15, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
04:56:21 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors cla_fpca
04:56:27 <FranciscoD> harish: Ah.
04:56:35 <tuanta> yes, he is a long time ambassador
04:56:48 <FranciscoD> tuanta: long time maybe, active?
04:57:02 <FranciscoD> (I don't recall ever running into him in a meeting or the mailing list)
04:57:08 <tuanta> the last time I met him is in Can Tho when I traveled there to organize Fedora Engagement event
04:57:20 <tuanta> he is not really active for Fedora
04:57:36 <tuanta> but he is active for overall  FOSS
04:58:00 <tuanta> this event I met him: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Community_Engagement_Can_Tho_2013
04:58:12 <harish> true. FOSS in general. not Fedora specifically.
04:58:15 <tuanta> he lives in Can Tho, Vietnam now
04:58:18 <FranciscoD> It's understood that active Fedora Ambassadors will be given preference in terms of support.
04:58:32 <tuanta> sure, FranciscoD
04:58:35 <FranciscoD> We can't take it upon ourselves to support all of FOSS in general.
04:58:36 <FranciscoD> Let
04:58:46 <FranciscoD> s request him to attend a meeting, and then we can decide.
04:58:51 <harish> +1
04:58:52 <tuanta> but it is good to have a dedicated Fedora room in FOSSASIA, I think
04:58:57 <tuanta> +1
04:59:08 <FranciscoD> tuanta: if we sponsor the event, we'll ask for a dedicated room ;)
04:59:18 <tuanta> yes, FranciscoD :)
04:59:20 <FranciscoD> among other things
04:59:34 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD request Mario to attend next meeting so we can discuss his event
04:59:39 <tuanta> I hope to see more Fedorians there
04:59:59 <FranciscoD> tuanta: Mario should send out a proper mail to the list requesting folks to attend the event.
04:59:59 <tuanta> ok, next tickets?
05:00:03 * harish meeting hour is up.
05:00:06 <FranciscoD> Me sending a mail on his behalf isn't the same thing.
05:00:42 <tuanta> can we stay in about additional 15-20 minutes to finish all discussion?
05:00:45 * kushal is going out
05:00:55 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I can
05:00:59 <blurr_> apakah kita bisa kembali ke tiket kami
05:01:06 <blurr_> whether we can get back to our ticket
05:01:13 <alick> RobberPhex and I has tickets to discuss.
05:01:17 <FranciscoD> blurr_: your ticket was approved.
05:01:19 <tuanta> ok, good. we have some other tickets need to be discussed, right?
05:01:22 <RobberPhex> #99 and #100
05:01:29 <blurr_> oke, thank's
05:01:39 <tuanta> and #101
05:01:57 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I think I'll like to delay discussing kushal's ticket until he has information on how much his hotel will cost.
05:01:58 <blurr_> I do not get to the next stage
05:02:10 <FranciscoD> blurr_: read the link tuanta gave you. It tells you exactly what to do.
05:02:32 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD. delaying kushal ticket
05:02:46 <harish> +1
05:02:59 <tuanta> we have three more tickets, right? (99,100,101)
05:03:14 <tuanta> and then I will have some updates about budget status
05:03:16 <FranciscoD> Moving on to 99
05:03:20 <tuanta> ok
05:03:41 <FranciscoD> #info Ticket #99 -  Release party in Beijing, China - alick https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/99
05:03:48 <FranciscoD> Requested budget $100
05:03:53 <FranciscoD> Exactly as recommended :)
05:04:07 <tuanta> :)
05:04:15 <tuanta> but it's fine, I see
05:04:38 <nangthang> it's fine in my view too
05:04:40 <FranciscoD> Looks OK to me.
05:04:46 <tuanta> vote?
05:04:48 <tuanta> +1 form me
05:04:57 <tuanta> s/form/from
05:04:58 <FranciscoD> alick: Can I request you to have some beginner level talks too? Just to keep new people engaged?
05:05:01 <FranciscoD> +1 from me
05:05:31 <tuanta> .fasinfo RobberPhex
05:05:32 <alick> FranciscoD: I think we should have free talk, and encourage newcomers to join the community.
05:05:33 <zodbot> tuanta: User "RobberPhex" doesn't exist
05:05:48 <FranciscoD> alick: Yeah. That sounds good.
05:05:50 <tuanta> .fasinfo robberphex
05:05:51 <RobberPhex> .fas robberphex
05:05:52 <zodbot> tuanta: User: robberphex, Name: RobberPhex, email: robberphex@gmail.com, Creation: 2012-08-22, IRC Nick: , Timezone: Asia/Shanghai, Locale: zh_CN, GPG key ID: C23B10A4, Status: active
05:05:54 <zodbot> tuanta: Unapproved Groups: cla_click
05:05:57 <zodbot> tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
05:06:00 <zodbot> RobberPhex: robberphex 'RobberPhex' <robberphex@gmail.com>
05:06:06 <FranciscoD> alick: Please do point them to #fedora-join, or the fedora-join sig where we can help them further
05:06:15 <FranciscoD> alick: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG
05:06:32 <alick> FranciscoD: sure.
05:06:41 <FranciscoD> tuanta: approved?
05:06:56 <tuanta> yes, +1 from yes
05:07:03 <tuanta> s/yes/me :)
05:07:20 <FranciscoD> I don't see any -1s
05:07:34 <FranciscoD> #agreed APPROVED Release Party in Beijing, China https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/99
05:07:48 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update ticket with approval details.
05:07:50 <FranciscoD> next
05:08:29 <FranciscoD> #info Ticket 100 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/100 - RobberPhex
05:08:29 <RobberPhex> is #100?
05:08:47 <FranciscoD> I've already given my +1 to the event.
05:08:59 <tuanta> yes, it's fine to me too
05:09:29 <alick> +1 from me
05:09:36 <ikhyar> +1
05:09:37 <nangthang> +1 for the ticket
05:09:40 <tuanta> RobberPhex: do you read the reimbursement guidelines carefully
05:09:42 <tuanta> ?
05:09:51 <tuanta> you should follow them
05:10:01 <tuanta> to get your money back
05:10:04 <FranciscoD> ++
05:10:14 <RobberPhex> Sorry, It means I should +1?
05:10:34 <FranciscoD> #agreed APPROVED Release party Shanghai China -  RobberPhex https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/100
05:10:40 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update ticket 100 with approval
05:10:40 <alick> RobberPhex: not neccessary from yourself ;)
05:10:56 <alick> RobberPhex: I'll assist you with the reimbursement process.
05:10:56 <tuanta> no, RobberPhex. You need to read this guidelines carefully  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement
05:11:06 <tuanta> nice, alick
05:11:28 <tuanta> next?
05:11:40 <nangthang> +1
05:11:43 <FranciscoD> #info Ticket 101 Release party Hanio, Vietnam - nangthang
05:11:46 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/101
05:12:00 <tuanta> yes, this team is so professional :)
05:12:09 <FranciscoD> +1 from me
05:12:11 <FranciscoD> :)
05:12:12 <tuanta> ping nangthang
05:12:17 <tuanta> +1
05:12:24 <nangthang> it's will be really a release *party* :)
05:12:55 <nangthang> we will organize the event next week
05:12:57 <nangthang> eof
05:13:21 <FranciscoD> Nice to hear
05:13:24 <alick> looks great.
05:13:26 <nangthang> it costs around 72$
05:13:37 <alick> +1
05:13:40 <FranciscoD> #agreed APPROVED release party Hanoi - nangthang https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/101
05:13:48 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update ticket 101 with approval details
05:13:50 <nangthang> thanks all :)
05:14:08 <tuanta> we complete this topic?
05:14:16 <tuanta> all tickets have been discussed?
05:14:17 <FranciscoD> I'm still giving the approval amount as 100, in case you need extra funds
05:14:24 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I think so, hold on, I'll check
05:14:27 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD
05:14:40 <nangthang> +1 FranciscoD
05:14:47 <FranciscoD> tuanta: All tickets have been convered.
05:14:53 <FranciscoD> (At least ones we could cover)
05:14:57 <tuanta> how about the old ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/77 ?
05:15:12 <tuanta> dramsey request for funds for a long time (since April)
05:15:55 <tuanta> similar to the ticket #95
05:16:01 <tuanta> we just approved
05:16:06 <FranciscoD> tuanta: erm, there isn't a wiki page for this either
05:16:09 <FranciscoD> No info at all..
05:16:16 <tuanta> ok, we will note that for dramsey
05:16:30 <FranciscoD> Yeah. At a minimum, at least a wiki page is required.
05:17:21 <FranciscoD> tuanta: same for 95 I'm afraid
05:17:23 <FranciscoD> No wiki page
05:17:39 <FranciscoD> tuanta: isn't sending event reports a requirement?
05:17:46 <tuanta> yes, that's not good situation
05:17:56 <FranciscoD> I haven't read anything about any of these events on the ambassadors list..
05:17:58 <tuanta> reports are required
05:18:26 <FranciscoD> Can we make it mandatory for folks to send an intial announcement, and a report to the ambassadors list?
05:18:37 <tuanta> to something but it should be on Planet Fedora
05:18:43 <FranciscoD> (Ambassadors can't be expected to follow trac tickets to see what events are coming up)
05:18:52 <FranciscoD> tuanta: some fedora channel that is easy to follow
05:19:00 <FranciscoD> I remember it used to be the ambassadors list.
05:19:42 <tuanta> report to blog and connect it to Planet Fedora is enough. But it would be better to send it out to Ambassadors list
05:20:38 <FranciscoD> tuanta: maybe you could send out a mail to the list requesting people to send announcements and report to the list?
05:21:15 <tuanta> repeating this is good. can you send that message?
05:21:33 <tuanta> atleast, for new comers to know
05:21:33 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I just thought it'd be more seriously taken if you sent it out as a FAmSCo member ;)
05:21:49 <tuanta> ok, I will do
05:21:54 <FranciscoD> I send out stuff all the time. I'm sure my mails aren't that valued any more :)
05:22:06 <FranciscoD> tuanta: do we have a next topic?
05:22:20 <alick> !
05:22:30 <tuanta> #action tuanta to send to Ambassadors list to remind people about event reports and pictures
05:22:32 <FranciscoD> alick: go
05:22:45 <alick> If you guys still have some additional time, I want to ask for something about FUDCon
05:22:58 <alick> we are intersted in running FUDCon 2014 in Beijing.
05:23:00 <tuanta> ok, lets discuss it in Open Floor
05:23:11 <FranciscoD> #topic Open floor
05:23:14 <tuanta> now, I would like to have some updates about budget status
05:23:14 <FranciscoD> alick: go :)
05:23:25 <FranciscoD> alick: yikes, after tuanta finishes his updates
05:23:33 <alick> ok,
05:23:36 <alick> tuanta: plz
05:24:03 <tuanta> regarding to budget, we are not in a good situation
05:24:09 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget
05:24:48 <tuanta> we had a lot of plans since the beginning of the year but they are almost missed out
05:25:04 <tuanta> now, we have thousands dollars left
05:25:42 <tuanta> 1,073.83 in Q1;  $6,408.43  in Q2 and  $343.64  oin Q3
05:25:54 <FranciscoD> Q2 seems to have gone most slow..
05:26:11 <FranciscoD> tuanta: how do we have that much left in Q2?
05:26:14 <tuanta> again, most of our scheduled events and activities have been missed out
05:26:22 <FranciscoD> Do we get a larger budget for Q2? Or just less events?
05:26:53 <FranciscoD> we have a larger budget it seems
05:26:59 <tuanta> budget was allocated by our proposed plan
05:27:10 <alick> SFD 2013 in China in Q3 happened, and was reimbursed, but the cost is not reflected on the page.
05:27:14 <tuanta> just our plans have not worked well
05:27:30 <tuanta> I updated it, alick
05:28:05 <alick> tuanta: oh i see. it is in another row.
05:28:09 <tuanta> ah, I see. it's in schedule
05:28:19 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I was thinking of producing swag for all of APAC and posting it around. I need to see how much it'll cost though
05:28:21 <tuanta> I will update it later
05:28:29 <FranciscoD> swag = stickers, buttons, cheat cubes
05:28:35 <FranciscoD> to give out at events
05:28:40 <FranciscoD> maybe key rings
05:28:45 <tuanta> FranciscoD: I got some back from EMEA
05:28:52 <tuanta> now I am keeping them
05:28:54 <FranciscoD> media is too heavy to ship and can probably be done locally
05:29:03 <alick> would like to produce some T-shirts, since we have almost used up the existing ones.
05:29:04 <tuanta> I am distributing them in the next FAD APAC
05:29:11 <FranciscoD> tuanta: i think the problem is still lack of activity in ambassadors
05:29:15 <FranciscoD> alick: file a ticket
05:29:21 <FranciscoD> you know we have the money :)
05:29:22 <tuanta> yes, lack of FranciscoD
05:29:26 <tuanta> sorry
05:29:35 <tuanta> lack of ambassadors activities, FranciscoD
05:29:56 <alick> FranciscoD: on the apac ticket?
05:30:09 <FranciscoD> alick: yes, open a new trac ticket with details
05:30:15 <tuanta> now we need to think about two things:
05:30:18 <alick> not sure about the procedure. last time we produce it locally.
05:30:18 <FranciscoD> it'll get discussed and approved etc, like the other tickets
05:30:27 <FranciscoD> alick: same as events
05:30:39 <alick> FranciscoD: good I see.
05:30:51 <tuanta> 1. how to spend most of left money (if we do not spend it, they simply cut it out his year and the next year)
05:31:12 <FranciscoD> tuanta: some of that money will go in FOSSASIA
05:31:15 <tuanta> 2. think about the future, we need to have more events/activities in APAC
05:31:22 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD
05:31:29 <tuanta> that's also what I think out now
05:31:32 <FranciscoD> 1000 for event + almost 700 each (by kushals requirement)
05:32:00 <FranciscoD> tuanta: I might come down too. I'm just waiting to see what the event is exactly about. I could do a few QA sessions etc.
05:32:26 <tuanta> it's lucky for us to have FOSSASIA at the end of the fiscal year
05:32:30 <FranciscoD> ++
05:32:37 <FranciscoD> We know how much we can spend on it :)
05:32:43 <tuanta> it would be much better if we can plan for each of that
05:33:10 <alick> it can also goes to fad apac maybe?
05:33:16 <tuanta> that's why I would like to have FAD APAC to motivate ambassadors work in APAC
05:33:22 <alick> though have not got updates for sometime.
05:33:38 <FranciscoD> alick: fad apac goes from a different budget
05:33:50 <alick> FOSSASIA, by the name, seems to like FOSDEM in Europe.
05:33:58 <tuanta> alick: FAD is a premium event so we need to get fund from a different source
05:34:05 <FranciscoD> which makes me think the organizers need to start proper planning so we can start talking to robyn etc about it
05:34:07 <alick> But I think I will be quite busy at that time :(
05:34:08 <FranciscoD> tuanta: ^
05:34:09 <tuanta> of course, we can plan it in the next FY
05:34:37 <alick> tuanta: oh thx for pointing it out.
05:34:52 <tuanta> FranciscoD: PH team is not quite active now
05:35:04 <tuanta> but I am trying to push them to get the FAD happened
05:35:10 <FranciscoD> yeah
05:35:25 <tuanta> I hope you can attend too
05:35:38 <tuanta> we should join all APAC active ambassadors there
05:35:51 <tuanta> to discuss about plan in FY2015
05:35:57 * alick afk for one minute
05:35:58 <tuanta> that's a big topic
05:36:13 <tuanta> ok, that's all from my side now
05:36:13 <FranciscoD> tuanta: yeah. I can't commit though. Depends on my supervisor.
05:36:22 <FranciscoD> I'm not even taking holidays now, for new years etc
05:36:35 <FranciscoD> I don't think we have anything else to discuss.
05:36:42 <tuanta> FUDCon?
05:36:48 <tuanta> for alick?
05:36:53 <FranciscoD> tuanta: oh, he's afk
05:36:55 <FranciscoD> Lets wait for him
05:37:06 <tuanta> ok, lets discuss in the next meeting
05:37:22 <tuanta> that's more than enough today :)
05:37:34 <FranciscoD> Ok.
05:37:43 <FranciscoD> alick: Plesae mail us your queries and we'll get back to you
05:37:45 * alick is back
05:37:50 <FranciscoD> We're 35 minutes over our time :/
05:37:57 <tuanta> I have to go out too
05:38:07 <alick> just one question:
05:38:20 <FranciscoD> alick: go ahead
05:38:20 <tuanta> ok, pleasealick
05:38:35 <alick> do we need to have detailed cost breakup and budget before opening ticket?
05:38:50 <tuanta> for what, alick?
05:38:57 <FranciscoD> alick: as detailed as you can manage. The idea is to give the fpl etc a good idea of the event
05:38:57 <alick> for FUDCon 2014.
05:39:08 <alick> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2014
05:39:11 <FranciscoD> The more detail you provide, the more convinced they'll be that you can host a good event.
05:39:17 <tuanta> there is a reserved fund for FUDCon(s) every year, about $15k
05:39:55 <FranciscoD> alick: that page is already quite informative
05:39:56 <alick> OK
05:39:58 <tuanta> all you needs is prepare for your bid as good as possible
05:40:21 <tuanta> then if you win the bidding, you will organize the FUDCon
05:40:34 <tuanta> normally, budget for FUDCon is $15k
05:40:42 <FranciscoD> alick: if you continue planning like this, you will win the bid :)
05:40:43 <alick> is there a deadline for the bidding?
05:40:43 <tuanta> does that make sense to you?
05:41:13 <tuanta> AFAIK, it is about the middle of January
05:41:33 <FranciscoD> alick: I don't know if there's a hard deadline. it's preferred that there be a premier event all over the world at some point of time.
05:41:39 <tuanta> I do not see any other competitors now. you may win :)
05:41:47 <alick> tuanta: thx for the info.
05:41:48 <FranciscoD> So, you need to make sure your event doesnt clash with a flock or another fudcon etc.
05:42:10 <tuanta> you have got $15k, you should arrange to spend it wisely
05:42:24 <alick> FranciscoD: ok. good point.
05:42:49 <FranciscoD> alick: feel free to contact us for any more doubts
05:42:58 <FranciscoD> you can also contact others who've already helped host fudcons
05:43:01 <FranciscoD> like mether etc.
05:43:07 <tuanta> sometimes, it could be more, but you need to confirm it with Robyn and Ruth, Fedora Budget Owner
05:43:18 <tuanta> mether and KageSenshi
05:43:24 <FranciscoD> Should I close now?
05:43:31 <alick> Thanks you guys.
05:43:39 <alick> +1 FranciscoD
05:43:44 <tuanta> ok, time to end :)
05:43:50 <FranciscoD> alick: No problem. I look forward to coming down to your FUDCon :)
05:43:53 <FranciscoD> Closing in 5
05:43:56 <FranciscoD> 4
05:43:58 <FranciscoD> 3
05:44:01 <FranciscoD> 1
05:44:03 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting