04:00:58 #startmeeting APAC Ambassadors meeting 2013-12-21 04:00:58 Meeting started Sat Dec 21 04:00:58 2013 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:01:07 #meetingname APAC Ambassadors meeting 2013-12-21 04:01:07 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_ambassadors_meeting_2013-12-21' 04:01:09 .fas nangthang 04:01:09 nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' 04:01:14 #topic Init process 04:01:16 .fas dramsey 04:01:17 .fas tuanta 04:01:17 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:01:20 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:01:21 .hellomynameis ankursinha 04:01:23 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:01:24 .fas harish 04:01:28 hello my friends :) 04:01:29 harish: appletonprince 'Harish Talluri' - ramchandanih 'Harish Ramchandani' - harishpgc10 'Harish Kumar Gupta' - harish386 'Harish Kumar' - harishvedha 'Harish Muralidhar' - vaharish '' - saphar 'hariharan saptharishi' - harishneit (5 more messages) 04:01:29 .fas harishpillay 04:01:32 harish: harishpillay 'Harish Pillay' 04:01:35 a long time 04:01:40 ..fas ekoikhyar 04:01:48 nice to see you today, harish :) 04:01:49 .fas ekoikhyar 04:01:49 tuanta, yes. today i don't have an errand to run :-) 04:01:49 ikhyar: ekoikhyar 'eko ikhyar' 04:01:51 * FranciscoD waits a few more minutes for folks to join in 04:02:04 .fas tonghuix 04:02:05 tonghuix: tonghuix 'tonghuix' 04:02:10 .fas robberphex 04:02:11 RobberPhex: robberphex 'RobberPhex' 04:02:18 +1 FranciscoD 04:02:40 #chair dramsey tuanta RobberPhex ikhyar harish kushal nangthang 04:02:40 Current chairs: FranciscoD RobberPhex dramsey harish ikhyar kushal nangthang tuanta 04:02:48 Did I miss someone? 04:02:55 .kushal 04:02:57 .fas kushal 04:02:58 kushal: kushalkaur 'Kushal Kaur Sardar' - kush4l 'Kushal Sakurdeep' - kmrkushal 'kumar kushal' - spallion 'kushal kant goyal' - kushal119 'kushal J. Gujarati' - kushal 'Kushal Das' - kushalsingh 'Kushal Pal Singh' - kushalsen 'Kushal Sen Laskar' (1 more message) 04:03:00 * kushal is too sleepy 04:03:14 +1 04:03:19 Ok. The usual. Please use "!" or "?" to request a turn to speak, and end with "EOF" when you're done. 04:03:36 +1 04:03:37 To save time, you can keep your text typed in beforehand if possible. 04:03:44 Let's begin 04:03:47 #Topic Announcements 04:03:52 tuanta: anything from FAmSCo? 04:04:21 #info Fedora 20 is *LIVE* 04:04:53 #info bckurera hasn't been able to make it again. 04:05:06 tuanta: here? 04:05:21 what's happened with bckurera? 04:05:40 hallo all, hallo all, 04:05:40 I am a representative of the implementing activities Fedora 19 release party Aceh 04:05:50 tuanta: Not sure. No communication with him in the recent past. 04:05:54 .fas blurr 04:05:54 FranciscoD: blurrsp 'fadhil' - blurrcode 'fadhil' - ramblurr 'Casey Link' - nodame6 'uly li' - blurr 'fadhil' 04:06:02 #chair blurr 04:06:02 Current chairs: FranciscoD RobberPhex blurr dramsey harish ikhyar kushal nangthang tuanta 04:06:03 there are no specials from FAmSCo 04:06:18 #info No special announcements from FAmSCo. 04:06:24 tuanta: Should I move to trac tickets then? 04:06:28 just discussed about regional budget this year. 04:06:28 * alick is here 04:06:34 we will be back to this topic later 04:06:34 .fas alick 04:06:35 FranciscoD: alick 'Zhao Tao' - patrikskalicky 'Patrik Skalicky' - walicki 'John Walicki' - sakodak 'Jason Balicki' - alickee '' - drako 'Stefan Palicki' 04:06:42 .fasinfo alick 04:06:44 FranciscoD: User: alick, Name: Zhao Tao, email: alick9188@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-02-18, IRC Nick: alick, Timezone: Asia/Hong_Kong, Locale: zh_CN, GPG key ID: C9AB214F, Status: active 04:06:44 #chair alick 04:06:44 Current chairs: FranciscoD RobberPhex alick blurr dramsey harish ikhyar kushal nangthang tuanta 04:06:47 FranciscoD: Approved Groups: docs docs-writers fedorabugs docs-publishers cla_fedora cla_done cvsl10n cla_fpca ambassadors 04:06:56 tuanta: Ok, great. I'm moving on to trac tickets then. 04:07:03 #topic Trac tickets to be discussed. 04:07:12 The list is here: #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 04:07:55 #info Ticket 103: Fedora 20 Release Party and Event For January 2014 - dramsey 04:07:58 Fedora 20 Release Party and Event For January 2014 04:07:59 grr 04:08:01 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/103 04:08:06 Hello all 04:08:10 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F20_Tokyo 04:08:32 ;) 04:08:38 dramsey: 450$? 04:08:46 FranciscoD, yes. 04:08:46 tuanta: ^ 04:08:51 I thought my ticket was there for FOSSASIA :( 04:08:57 eof 04:09:07 kushal: did it have the meeting keyword? I'll just go look for it. 04:09:29 FranciscoD, nope I guess, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/98 04:09:33 kushal: There's *one* ticket for FOSSASIA that Mario opened. We'll look at it in sequence. 04:09:41 kushal: adding 98 to agenda 04:10:14 FranciscoD, Thanks 04:10:46 dramsey: iirc, FAmSCo suggested that release parties be limited to 100$ budgets.. 04:10:53 tuanta: here? 04:10:59 * FranciscoD thinks tuanta has a bad connection or something 04:11:02 sorry, I am on the phone 04:11:36 dramsey: how many media are you getting for 350$? 04:11:42 i think Japanese costs are much higher and explains the $450 budget request. 04:12:04 FranciscoD, 200+ eof 04:12:05 harish, very true eof 04:13:11 I'm a +1 for this. dramsey does his events regularly. I think tuanta will have the final say on this one though. 04:13:35 dramsey: all your release events always cost 450$? 04:13:43 * FranciscoD is looking at ticket #102 now. 04:13:44 honestly $100 does not get you much in .jp 04:14:12 FranciscoD, good question, F18 was $400, each for the two events. eof 04:14:30 dramsey: How many such events do you intend to hold? One each month? 04:14:39 (ie. will you need 450$ each month?) 04:15:26 FranciscoD, good question, usually monthly (regular events) are $200. eof 04:15:37 Ok. 04:15:47 FranciscoD, oh every month, about 2 (regular events,) eof 04:16:28 I think we have funds to support these, but I really don't have exact figures. tuanta has them, so I think he'll be in the best position to decide if they can all be accomodated. 04:16:41 (we had left over funds last quarter iirc) 04:16:54 +1 from me, pending approval from tuanta. 04:17:15 Do any others want to weigh in on #102 and #103? 04:17:45 +1 from me 04:17:55 * tuanta is back 04:18:38 Looks good 04:19:16 tuanta: we're discussing #102 and #103. They both require $450 each. I think they're fine, but I think you should consult the budget and see if there are enough funds available. 04:19:53 sure, there is enough available fund for it 04:19:58 ! 04:20:01 ikhyar: go 04:20:20 * FranciscoD counts that as a +1 from tuanta 04:20:21 sorry to this question, what best solution for #90 04:20:36 ikhyar: we'll come to that ticket. 04:20:46 i think indonesian folk trauma about this :) 04:20:54 #agreed dramsey 's tickets #102 and #103 approved. 04:21:03 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/90 04:21:03 #action FranciscoD update ticket with approval details 04:21:28 could you give me the input to be delivered to my friends 04:21:36 eof 04:21:45 ikhyar: lets' discuss that one first. It's been filed for 5 months now. 04:21:48 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/90 04:22:02 #info #90 - Indonesia community Release party. 04:22:17 yes 04:22:43 ikhyar: blurr : The fund request is OK. I think we can manage them. The only issue is that the ticket needs to be filed before the event, and approved. 04:22:45 i dont know what best solution about this ticket 04:23:33 It's happened in the past, and we're not happy with people doing events without approval from the budget and turning up requesting money. 04:23:46 ikhyar: Can I request you to please relay this to everyone in the Indonesia community? 04:23:49 +1 04:23:55 * alick seems to be expriencing periodical network connection issue ... 04:24:06 All events that require reimbursement have to be approved before they're held 04:24:10 Like dramsey etc are doing now. 04:24:16 +1 from me 04:24:25 tuanta: Do you have anything to say for ticket 90? 04:24:29 btw, are there any ambassadors in organizing team? 04:24:36 (tuanta + any else) 04:25:00 tuanta: the reporter is/was an ambassador. 04:25:04 (I think) 04:25:11 who? 04:25:15 is the total sum $219? (after a quick glance). 04:25:22 tuanta: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jurankdankkal 04:25:23 .fasinfo ikhyar 04:25:24 tuanta: User "ikhyar" doesn't exist 04:25:41 harish: yep, 219$ 04:25:48 * FranciscoD notes that 100$ is snacks 04:25:50 I am implementing these activities 04:25:55 my fas ekoikhyar :) 04:25:58 But that's probably OK for a relesae "party" 04:26:01 but it seems he was not active at this event 04:26:13 .fasinfo ekoikhyar 04:26:14 tuanta: User: ekoikhyar, Name: eko ikhyar, email: ikhyar.com@gmail.com, Creation: 2009-08-16, IRC Nick: ikhyar or ekoikhyar, Timezone: Asia/Makassar, Locale: id, GPG key ID: 4F33392D, Status: active 04:26:17 tuanta: Unapproved Groups: marketing l10n-commits 04:26:20 tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_fpca cla_fedora cla_done freemedia cvsl10n ambassadors 04:27:34 blurr: you are the man discussed in ticket #90? 04:27:55 yes 04:28:27 I see you did those activities well. why don't you apply to Ambassador program? 04:28:55 as an ambassadors, you would have better support from your mentor and the community 04:29:32 thank you, but I do not understand the meaning of the ambassador program? 04:29:37 something like how to get your fund request approved; how to get reimbursement, etc. 04:30:23 then it's easier for you to organize events/activities like this 04:30:36 but I had a discussion with one of the Indonesian ambassador to implement this activity 04:31:01 I see you ask a lot in the ticket while all those information could be found on wiki 04:31:11 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement 04:31:46 tuanta: can we discuss this in the open floor after trac tickets? (I see there are people waiting to get their tickets discussed). Lets just decide if this ticket is to be approved or not right now? 04:31:56 blurr - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors 04:32:32 FranciscoD: ok, just try to know the situation before I can support blurr for the ticket #90 04:32:36 thank's 04:32:59 blurr: you mean jurank (yogi) 04:33:17 is jurank still active? 04:33:19 yes 04:33:48 blurr: as am ambassador, jurank can not approve a fund request 04:33:52 ++ 04:34:19 that's why FranciscoD said that your ticket was not approved in advance 04:34:52 #action blurr ikhyar Relay to the Indonesia community that events will not be reimbursed if their tickets are not approved before hand in an APAC meeting. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement 04:35:17 tuanta: Given that it's 200$, I think we can make another exception this time. 04:35:39 Although, I'd like to stop these exceptions. They seem to crop up every meeting. 04:35:40 I will have to run in another few minutes 04:36:07 sorry, I understand now, 04:36:08 whether these activities may be done for a refund 04:37:03 I think we should vote for this case 04:37:11 it's fine to me 04:37:14 +1 04:37:37 +1 04:37:39 we would like to encourage people to do more activities/events for Fedora 04:37:41 ok to make exception this time. but would be good to see plans for fedora 20. 04:37:48 +1 04:37:50 +1 04:37:53 +1 04:37:55 +1 04:38:00 +1 for exception 04:38:11 and +1 harish 04:38:20 #agreed Approve ticket #90 - make an exception this time. 04:38:30 #action FranciscoD update ticket 90 with approval details 04:38:37 I like to hear about their plans for Fedora 20 and the future 04:38:46 +1 to that tuanta 04:39:08 tuanta: lets' discuss kushal's ticket next? 04:39:24 #info Sponsorship for FOSSASIA 2014 - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/98 04:39:36 Related ticket #97 - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/97 04:40:17 yes, they are related, but not mandatory 04:40:18 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSSASIA_2014 is the wiki page 04:40:29 kushal: you haven't given details on the amount you need. Any idea what the hotel will cost? 04:40:29 we can approve one or both 04:40:45 tuanta: shouldn't we wait until all participants have made their requests? 04:40:50 For example, you intend to attend it oo 04:41:12 It's quite a major event, and will require quite a few funds. 04:41:43 Kushal needs about 600$ for flights + hotels 04:42:05 skemter will fly in from EMEA? He'll need support too. 04:42:26 So will you, nangthang and the rest? 04:42:28 I will raise the current budget status up in the next topic, but I can say that there are thousands dollar left in APAC budget 04:42:52 skemter should request from EMEA fund 04:43:44 tuanta: you want to approve these tickets now? 04:43:45 I think, we should approve supports for event and each participants separately 04:44:24 +1 tuanta 04:45:03 yes 04:45:19 Should such event be discussed in FamSco meeting? 04:46:21 no, alick. that fund request is lower than $1,000 04:46:44 tuanta: does the fund request for the event need to be below 1000? or the sumtotal funds that Fedora is providing to the event? 04:47:06 the event itself asks for 900, but adding all the support the attendees will receive, it's quite more than 1000 04:47:20 please see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement#Limits_per_trac_ticket 04:48:10 FranciscoD: we can reject/approve each case separately 04:48:14 ok I see. 04:48:56 tuanta: I still think the event and all related costs should be seen together, but OK. 04:49:06 event organizer could request for fund or not. it does not effect to participants to request for travel subsidy 04:49:34 Ok. 04:49:41 we should separate those request, I think. 04:49:53 tuanta, that is correct. 04:50:05 thank harish 04:50:45 I'd like to leave the event request for later. I don't see a proper agenda on their website 04:50:48 http://fossasia.org/schedule-fossasia-2014 04:51:12 also, the organizer is not available here today 04:51:16 +1 FranciscoD 04:51:26 we should discuss that ticket later 04:51:54 We need to approve the event first, then travel subsidy for participant, right? 04:52:14 tuanta: I'd also like to know if Fedora is the only community supporting the event. 04:52:19 no, alick. as I mentioned above, event organizer could request for fund or not but it does not effect to participants to request for travel subsidy 04:52:59 no, FranciscoD. it is mainly supported by MBM, the company of Mario Behling 04:53:02 They list a lot of projects on their page, but I'd like to confirm if we're co-sponsoring or if we're the sole sponsors. 04:53:12 tuanta: but if organizer request, the order still does not matter? 04:53:18 we will need the event organizer to be on this meeting for this to conclude. 04:53:39 tuanta: so Fedora should be in the "organizing partner" list, instead of the project list, for example 04:53:45 (if we sponsor them, that is) 04:54:05 ah, yes. good point, FranciscoD 04:54:18 harish: +1. Let's request the organizer to attend the meeting and then discuss it. We can't do much without more information. 04:54:19 we should note this idea into the ticket 04:54:20 insist that mario be on the next meeting. 04:54:42 yes, it should be delayed to discuss later 04:54:49 +1 FranciscoD harish 04:55:00 #action FranciscoD request event organizer for FOSSASIA to attend the meeting so we can make a decision on it. 04:55:14 alick: yes, it does not matter 04:55:22 tuanta: I've already sent a mail to the list, but it's really the organizers task to at least inform the community that the event is happening. 04:55:34 tuanta: got it, thx. 04:55:39 I'm not sure how you people found out about it. I only found out about when I saw the trac ticket. 04:56:04 FranciscoD, i got a funding request from Mario. 04:56:07 .fas mariobehling 04:56:08 FranciscoD: mariobehling 'Mario Behling' 04:56:11 alick: we can even reject the fund request for the event, but approve other travel subsidy requests from other participants 04:56:17 .fasinfo mariobehling 04:56:18 FranciscoD: User: mariobehling, Name: Mario Behling, email: mb@mariobehling.de, Creation: 2009-05-15, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 04:56:21 FranciscoD: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors cla_fpca 04:56:27 harish: Ah. 04:56:35 yes, he is a long time ambassador 04:56:48 tuanta: long time maybe, active? 04:57:02 (I don't recall ever running into him in a meeting or the mailing list) 04:57:08 the last time I met him is in Can Tho when I traveled there to organize Fedora Engagement event 04:57:20 he is not really active for Fedora 04:57:36 but he is active for overall FOSS 04:58:00 this event I met him: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Community_Engagement_Can_Tho_2013 04:58:12 true. FOSS in general. not Fedora specifically. 04:58:15 he lives in Can Tho, Vietnam now 04:58:18 It's understood that active Fedora Ambassadors will be given preference in terms of support. 04:58:32 sure, FranciscoD 04:58:35 We can't take it upon ourselves to support all of FOSS in general. 04:58:36 Let 04:58:46 s request him to attend a meeting, and then we can decide. 04:58:51 +1 04:58:52 but it is good to have a dedicated Fedora room in FOSSASIA, I think 04:58:57 +1 04:59:08 tuanta: if we sponsor the event, we'll ask for a dedicated room ;) 04:59:18 yes, FranciscoD :) 04:59:20 among other things 04:59:34 #action FranciscoD request Mario to attend next meeting so we can discuss his event 04:59:39 I hope to see more Fedorians there 04:59:59 tuanta: Mario should send out a proper mail to the list requesting folks to attend the event. 04:59:59 ok, next tickets? 05:00:03 * harish meeting hour is up. 05:00:06 Me sending a mail on his behalf isn't the same thing. 05:00:42 can we stay in about additional 15-20 minutes to finish all discussion? 05:00:45 * kushal is going out 05:00:55 tuanta: I can 05:00:59 apakah kita bisa kembali ke tiket kami 05:01:06 whether we can get back to our ticket 05:01:13 RobberPhex and I has tickets to discuss. 05:01:17 blurr_: your ticket was approved. 05:01:19 ok, good. we have some other tickets need to be discussed, right? 05:01:22 #99 and #100 05:01:29 oke, thank's 05:01:39 and #101 05:01:57 tuanta: I think I'll like to delay discussing kushal's ticket until he has information on how much his hotel will cost. 05:01:58 I do not get to the next stage 05:02:10 blurr_: read the link tuanta gave you. It tells you exactly what to do. 05:02:32 +1 FranciscoD. delaying kushal ticket 05:02:46 +1 05:02:59 we have three more tickets, right? (99,100,101) 05:03:14 and then I will have some updates about budget status 05:03:16 Moving on to 99 05:03:20 ok 05:03:41 #info Ticket #99 - Release party in Beijing, China - alick https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/99 05:03:48 Requested budget $100 05:03:53 Exactly as recommended :) 05:04:07 :) 05:04:15 but it's fine, I see 05:04:38 it's fine in my view too 05:04:40 Looks OK to me. 05:04:46 vote? 05:04:48 +1 form me 05:04:57 s/form/from 05:04:58 alick: Can I request you to have some beginner level talks too? Just to keep new people engaged? 05:05:01 +1 from me 05:05:31 .fasinfo RobberPhex 05:05:32 FranciscoD: I think we should have free talk, and encourage newcomers to join the community. 05:05:33 tuanta: User "RobberPhex" doesn't exist 05:05:48 alick: Yeah. That sounds good. 05:05:50 .fasinfo robberphex 05:05:51 .fas robberphex 05:05:52 tuanta: User: robberphex, Name: RobberPhex, email: robberphex@gmail.com, Creation: 2012-08-22, IRC Nick: , Timezone: Asia/Shanghai, Locale: zh_CN, GPG key ID: C23B10A4, Status: active 05:05:54 tuanta: Unapproved Groups: cla_click 05:05:57 tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 05:06:00 RobberPhex: robberphex 'RobberPhex' 05:06:06 alick: Please do point them to #fedora-join, or the fedora-join sig where we can help them further 05:06:15 alick: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG 05:06:32 FranciscoD: sure. 05:06:41 tuanta: approved? 05:06:56 yes, +1 from yes 05:07:03 s/yes/me :) 05:07:20 I don't see any -1s 05:07:34 #agreed APPROVED Release Party in Beijing, China https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/99 05:07:48 #action FranciscoD update ticket with approval details. 05:07:50 next 05:08:29 #info Ticket 100 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/100 - RobberPhex 05:08:29 is #100? 05:08:47 I've already given my +1 to the event. 05:08:59 yes, it's fine to me too 05:09:29 +1 from me 05:09:36 +1 05:09:37 +1 for the ticket 05:09:40 RobberPhex: do you read the reimbursement guidelines carefully 05:09:42 ? 05:09:51 you should follow them 05:10:01 to get your money back 05:10:04 ++ 05:10:14 Sorry, It means I should +1? 05:10:34 #agreed APPROVED Release party Shanghai China - RobberPhex https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/100 05:10:40 #action FranciscoD update ticket 100 with approval 05:10:40 RobberPhex: not neccessary from yourself ;) 05:10:56 RobberPhex: I'll assist you with the reimbursement process. 05:10:56 no, RobberPhex. You need to read this guidelines carefully https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement 05:11:06 nice, alick 05:11:28 next? 05:11:40 +1 05:11:43 #info Ticket 101 Release party Hanio, Vietnam - nangthang 05:11:46 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/101 05:12:00 yes, this team is so professional :) 05:12:09 +1 from me 05:12:11 :) 05:12:12 ping nangthang 05:12:17 +1 05:12:24 it's will be really a release *party* :) 05:12:55 we will organize the event next week 05:12:57 eof 05:13:21