04:00:36 #startmeeting Fedora APAC meeting 2014-01-04 04:00:36 Meeting started Sat Jan 4 04:00:36 2014 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:36 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:43 #meetingname Fedora APAC meeting 2014-01-04 04:00:43 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_apac_meeting_2014-01-04' 04:00:43 .fas tuanta 04:00:44 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:00:46 #topic Init process 04:00:51 .fas freedomknight 04:00:52 FreedomKnight: freedomknight 'GuiXin, Chen' 04:00:53 .hellomynameis ankursinha 04:00:55 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:00:58 .fas nangthang 04:00:58 nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' 04:01:04 #chair nangthang FreedomKnight tuanta 04:01:04 Current chairs: FranciscoD FreedomKnight nangthang tuanta 04:01:24 Let's wait a few minutes for any others that may join us. 04:01:44 #info dramsey sends regrets: He has to go pick up his Fedora swag for the events he is holding. 04:02:39 In the meantime, this is the list of tickets to be discussed today: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 04:03:33 Moving on 04:03:39 #topic Announcements 04:03:45 Any announcements? 04:03:48 tuanta: FAmSCo? 04:04:01 nope 04:04:13 tuanta: nothing on the CC holder? :/ 04:04:38 No. we need to wait more 04:04:44 Ok. 04:04:50 I don't have anything critical either. 04:04:59 Please remember that work on Fedora 21 has begun. 04:05:12 ok 04:05:22 If you haven't yet read up about fedora.next, I suggest you do. That way you'll know where you can contribute 04:05:39 http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/ 04:05:46 On to tickets then 04:05:51 #topic Trac tickets 04:06:02 Our agenda for today: #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 04:06:19 is Mario here? 04:06:29 We have a couple of fossasia tickets 04:07:11 Ah, I wasn't around until today. I don't think anyone sent Mario a reminder about today's meeting 04:07:13 I do not see him 04:07:32 tuanta: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/97 04:07:43 We could begin with questions on the trac ticket itself, like he says. 04:07:46 .fas gnokii 04:07:47 gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' 04:08:35 +1 FranciscoD. That's the only way now 04:08:42 tuanta: Have you thought of an upper limit for the FOSSASIA sponsorship? I mean, for each person? 04:09:11 800$? 1000? (Air fare + accomodation) 04:10:01 $1,000 is fine, I think. Because we can do approval in regional community 04:10:33 tuanta: Ok 04:10:47 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement#Limits_per_trac_ticket 04:10:51 tuanta: I was looking at flights from Sydney, and they appear to be around 1000$. It's why I asked. 04:11:20 * FranciscoD needs to talk to his supervisor to see if he can get time off to attend the event 04:11:29 more than $1,000, we need FAmSCo approval 04:11:41 Aye. Noted. 04:11:41 ! 04:11:47 gnokii: go 04:12:16 for what u need a limit for each person to decide Marios ticket? 04:12:22 eof 04:12:55 gnokii: To decide how much each person can be given 04:13:09 what has that to do with that???? 04:13:11 (In APAC most people will have to fly international to attend the event) 04:13:22 gnokii: it is not for Mario's ticket but for others 04:13:42 tuanta: so where is the problem to decide marios ticket? 04:14:06 gnokii: mario needs to be present because the fossasia website doesn't have enough details on it 04:14:09 (the last time I checked) 04:14:22 It provides slots, but no details on what's happening in the slots 04:14:25 for what detail? 04:14:32 It isn't a barcamp style session from what I can understand 04:14:43 gnokii: I have a list, hold on. 04:14:58 FranciscoD:are u funny, the deadline is 15th January for what u like to have the full program? 04:15:16 gnokii: first, I resent your tone. 04:15:34 Second, the request is 900$. It makes sense to question and ensure that the event is worth it. 04:15:46 then ask a question 04:15:52 Having the money does not mean we relax our criteria. 04:16:05 gnokii: 1. Is fedora an organizing partner? 04:16:06 http://fossasia.org/ 04:16:27 .fas zerng07 04:16:27 zerng07: zerng07 'Cheng-Chia Tseng' 04:16:31 2. Will there be a separate room for Fedora people? 04:16:39 Or will the event be generic? 04:16:47 With fedora talks interleaved with others? 04:17:35 FranciscoD: u asking questions that are already answered 04:17:36 With 5 fedora community folks flying in internationally, is their scope for some non end user discussion? 04:17:41 gnokii: where? 04:17:55 gnokii: if they are, it should be on the wiki page or the trac ticket. 04:18:01 They werent there during the last meeting. 04:18:08 I remember tuanta and me looking for them. 04:18:30 quote our own wiki: 04:18:30 We will have a track at the event for Fedora related topics. The length of the track depends on how many talks/workshops we want to do. 04:19:04 gnokii: http://fossasia.org/ -> no mention of this track on the schedule 04:19:47 http://fossasia.org/schedule-fossasia-2014 04:20:10 * gnokii shaking his head 04:20:10 if there's a track, it should be mentioned so people signing up know about it, sort of. 04:20:29 u dont get it, there is no schedule yet! 04:20:37 there is still time for submission 04:20:41 * FranciscoD shakes head 04:20:50 How does that stop the organizers from making slots? 04:21:13 if not on the website, at least internally? 04:21:33 or adding a column that goes "Fedora track: 8am - 5pm"? 04:22:02 tuanta: you're the budget handler. I'll leave this up to you. 04:22:07 FranciscoD: can it be, u like to have an egg without a chicken? 04:22:23 gnokii: I like details before I vote for 1000$ to be given to anyone. 04:22:33 "We 04:22:34 there are details! 04:22:38 u are not we 04:22:50 neither are you gnokii 04:22:56 you're one participant. 04:23:00 Please remember that. 04:23:14 * FranciscoD waits on tuan 04:23:46 be calm, please :) 04:24:33 FranciscoD: I think you should post those questions, concerns to the ticket 04:24:42 Mario is not here today, 04:25:07 we do not have enough 5 attendees in today meeting to do voting 04:25:47 everyone has rights to ask for more information if he/she sees that not clear enough 04:26:18 Thank you. Here I'd begun to feel like asking questions was forbidden. 04:26:35 in this case, the idea to have a dedicated section/room for Fedora in FOSSASIA is really cool 04:26:45 tuanta: we have 04:27:17 I also support for that idea and would like to join into 04:27:20 I'm not doubting it. I would just prefer that this information is more visible. 04:28:00 FranciscoD: can u show me please on southerncalifornialinuxexpo that there is a Fedora track, please do it NOW 04:28:29 I see no reason why I should. 04:28:30 * alick is late here 04:28:32 Am I voting for it? 04:28:44 +1 FranciscoD. Also to make more chances for Fedora people in APAC to attend 04:29:20 no, I think u like to play games, when there is after the publishing of the schedule is written that there is a Fedora track it is enough 04:29:23 gnokii: would you know what they mean by "organizing partners" on the website? 04:29:25 +1 04:29:45 (since you appear to have more info on the event that we do) 04:29:57 are these organizing partners providing funds? 04:29:59 or space? 04:30:01 or infra? 04:30:08 or something else? 04:30:10 traners? 04:30:15 s/traners/trainers 04:30:23 food? 04:30:27 volunteers? 04:30:44 i found fedora listed on the fossasia website 04:30:57 are the other projects listed there (debian/drupal etc) sponsoring the event? 04:31:13 I just want to know. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 04:31:26 I think u just want to play games here 04:31:33 *sigh* 04:31:44 You're free to make up your mind. 04:32:33 Idont know for me is a difference between "Sponsor" and "Project", so if you want to be mentioned as Sponsor u should sponsor and not say why I am not mentioned as one 04:32:40 tuanta: can we move on to something more urgent? zerng07 has a reimbursement ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/104 04:33:10 gnokii: I didn't ask why we weren't mentioned as one. I asked how the others were helping out. 04:33:24 Please read what I wrote, and not random insinuations from my words. 04:33:42 zerng07: here? 04:34:12 Event wiki page is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F20_Taipei 04:34:20 FreedomKnight: you're at this one too? 04:34:25 yes 04:35:25 FreedomKnight: Could I please trouble you to mention the Fedora join SIG during the event? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG 04:35:49 We've set up mailing lists and channels where people completely new to any FOSS can come and talk to current contributors. 04:35:55 Hi, I'am here. 04:36:13 (We're trying to develop an environment where they won't feel scared to ask any questions they'd like answered) 04:36:19 zerng07: ^ 04:36:30 OK, there is no problem with SIG, I could do the talk. :) 04:36:37 Great. Thanks. 04:36:53 tuanta: The request is about 150$ 04:37:01 Looks OK to me. +1 04:40:05 Sorry, my bad battery :( 04:40:12 tuanta: The request is about 150$ 04:40:13 Looks OK to me. +1 04:40:54 wait tuanta? 04:41:31 it's fine to me too 04:41:45 we are voting on #104, right? 04:42:05 tuanta: yes. 04:42:15 +1 04:42:16 +1 from me 04:42:22 they're a good team +1 04:42:47 Thanks for supporting! :) 04:43:01 agreed, I think 04:43:16 #agreed Fedora release party in Taipei approved. 04:43:35 #task FranciscoD to update ticket #104 with approval information 04:43:54 it should bt "#action", FranciscoD 04:43:58 zerng07: FreedomKnight We hope you have a great event. We look forward to reports + photos etc :) 04:43:59 s/bt/be 04:44:02 tuanta: ah, yikes. 04:44:07 #action FranciscoD to update ticket #104 with approval information 04:44:12 I think I mix that up quite often.. 04:44:31 No problem. :) 04:44:41 ok 04:44:49 tuanta: I think we can give all the FOSSASIA people a tentative +1? 04:44:57 Most of their requirements are around 500$ 04:45:34 if we can not decide soon, flight cost could be raised up 04:46:04 tuanta: Yeah. 04:46:39 I would like to ask for support to attend FOSSASIA whether there is a dedicated room for Fedora or not 04:46:39 +1 from me for Kushal nangthang and you 04:46:49 +1 04:46:51 tuanta: +1 for that too. 04:47:11 tuanta: Please note that mario appears to have opened a separate ticket for all your accomodations. 04:47:11 +1 04:47:13 that would be a good chance to promote Fedora in APAC 04:47:32 So, all of your travel will be sponsored in your tickets only. (Right?) 04:47:35 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/107 04:47:52 Mario can arrange accommodation, but we can do that too 04:48:02 it depends on what he wants 04:48:08 tuanta: that's another detail that needs to be clarified then. 04:48:28 If he can get all of you near each other, that'll be great. 04:48:37 I ask for accommodation support as well to cover it 04:49:02 if I do not need to do that myself, I will not as for reimbursement for that 04:49:16 s/as/ask 04:49:25 tuanta: Ok, so everyone request for travel + accomodation at the moment. 04:49:39 yes, it's a good way 04:49:51 nangthang's ticket asks for both too. 04:50:01 reimbursement would be in actual cost spent 04:50:33 no, FranciscoD 04:50:39 I ask for accommodation support as well to cover it too 04:50:56 nangthang: aye. 04:51:11 Same with kushal. 04:51:23 AFAIK, Mario wants to arrange accommodation as well 04:51:30 ! 04:51:39 tuanta: yes, he does. (#107) 04:51:41 gnokii: go 04:51:43 if he do that, he will need to open a separate ticket to request for fund 04:52:02 ah, I see :) 04:52:09 then it's fine now 04:52:14 I will update my ticket 04:52:20 tuanta: it's why I asked if all trac tickets need to mention accomodation 04:52:46 I asked Mario this week to organize for all Fedora ppl the accomodation, he will do that after that he wrote all a mail but not all have filled ut the wiki yet so if that is done he will make a ticket for all 04:52:47 eof 04:54:05 tuanta: i think we can vote on these tickets now, so that folks can go ahead and buy their flights tickets. 04:54:16 +1 04:54:23 (This is completely independent of the sponsorship ticket) 04:54:52 I've already given my +1 for all your tickets: tuanta , nangthang & kushal 04:55:12 I'll talk to my supervisor when he returns to university on 7th and file a ticket if I can make it. 04:55:19 yes, +1 from me too (for mine and others) 04:55:55 tuanta: should I take the action item to mark them as approved, then? 04:56:20 +1 04:57:01 people should adjust the total first (remove accommodation fund request) 04:57:16 then you can mark them approved 04:57:25 #action FranciscoD update tickets 105, 106, 98 and 107 as approved nothing that 107 is for accomodation and the other tickets are therefore only for flight tickets. 04:57:30 tuanta: ^ good enough? 04:57:36 s/nothing/noting 04:57:40 gah! 04:57:43 #undo 04:57:43 Removing item from minutes: 04:57:55 #action FranciscoD update tickets 105, 106, 98 and 107 as approved noting that 107 is for accomodation and the other tickets are therefore only for flight tickets. 04:58:07 ^ 04:58:23 +1 04:58:37 ok 04:58:56 tuanta: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/108 04:59:00 I filed it this morning. 04:59:21 Can you increase the upload limit on the trac? Or will infra need to do it? 04:59:37 Infra team 04:59:50 Ok. I'll file a ticket with them then 04:59:50 we should file a ticket in Infra trac 05:00:09 #action FranciscoD file ticket with infra requesting them to increase the upload limit on apac trac. 05:00:14 tuanta: how much should I ask for? 05:00:28 it's 256k now, right? 05:00:37 Based on what jurrak said, yes. 05:00:40 I don't know for sure 05:00:40 how about double it to 512k? 05:00:42 I think the wiki suggest to upload PDF, not JPG 05:00:57 but the limit is still quite low. 05:01:06 yes, it is 256k now 05:01:42 The format shouldn't matter. We just need them to be clear enough so joerg doesn't need a magnifying glass for each ticket. 05:02:13 he also needs to use PDF format for multi-pages files 05:02:26 ah, hrm, for filing purposes, yes 05:02:36 pdfs and 5MB should be enough then? 05:02:37 all receipts could be scanned into a file 05:03:14 FranciscoD: +1 05:03:46 I am not sure they will approve to increase the limit to 20 times 05:03:52 I'll file a ticket and see what infra says. They'll have a better idea about upload sizes. 05:03:59 now, it is 256k only 05:04:09 maybe we can ask for 1MB, or 2MB. 05:04:26 Yeah. That won't be an issue. Infra will set it to an optimal value. 05:04:35 but it's better to discuss this with Infra team 05:04:41 +1 FranciscoD 05:04:53 +1 05:04:53 tuanta: can you modify the trac front page to ask people to use their fedorapeople.org space if the trac doesn't permit uploads? 05:05:24 let me ask others 05:05:32 I am not sure I have right to do that 05:05:48 tuanta: ok, whoever the admin is. I thought you were 05:06:05 I met another issue with uploading when I was trying to update ticket #99 05:06:26 PDF uploading failed silently, while JPG is OK. 05:06:31 #action tuanta request apac trac admin to modify the trac front page to request people to upload receipts to their fedora people space if trac errors out. 05:06:45 anyway, I think upload files directly to the ticket is better 05:06:49 alick: you'll have to file a bug with infra if that's a bug you can reproduce 05:06:50 not sure what has been changed. any ideas? 05:07:10 tuanta: it is, but fedorapeople.org is good as a backup, if the receipts are too large. 05:07:20 they would not be replaced or removed 05:07:47 tuanta: I think you can delete attachments from trac tickets too. 05:08:12 I remember doing it on the infra trac 05:08:13 but that action would be tracked in the ticket 05:08:48 aye 05:09:06 any other ticket left? 05:09:47 Doesn't look like it. 05:09:50 If deletion is possible, I might test with pdf files that was uploaded fine. 05:10:07 We should go back to Mario's ticket in Open Floor 05:10:11 alick: file a random ticket and test. Don't do it with yours 05:10:17 #topic Open floor 05:10:19 tuanta: all yours 05:10:32 no action or agreement has been decided 05:10:37 FranciscoD: ok thx for the idea. 05:11:19 tuanta: I'm 95% +1 for it. I just want to know a little more. I don't see any issues that would warrant a -1. Just not enough info for a confirmed +1 05:11:41 what information u want 05:12:29 can we still approve for it with additional comments? 05:12:37 gnokii: I'll write a comment on the ticket, as mario requested. 05:12:52 tuanta: sure 05:12:59 tentative approval sounds good. 05:13:01 I mean we can vote: +1, +1 with comments, or -1 05:13:31 FranciscoD: just to remind you , its the 4th meeting for that ticket 05:14:01 gnokii: and I've attended them all I think but still have queries. 05:14:23 but if you want to make everything clearer before start voting, it is fine 05:14:27 Please also note that it's the holiday season in most countries. 05:14:29 everyone has a voice 05:14:40 tuanta: I'll say +1 with comments on the trac. Everyone else can vote. 05:14:45 I personally would like to decide it today 05:15:00 tuanta of course is fine to raise questions but I have the question why FranciscoD cleared not his questions before 05:15:14 gnokii: have you read the logs to the other meetings? 05:15:26 I have brought up the questions before. 05:15:53 Its also on said trac ticket. 05:15:55 FranciscoD: yes and I also saw ur questions on the ticket, I even was here in the last meeting 05:16:02 so then? 05:16:31 gnokii: can you please just vote for yourself and let me make my own decision? 05:16:33 so what question 05:16:56 gnokii: read last meetings logs. Most of what I brought up today was brought up last time. 05:16:59 Sponsorship etc. 05:17:21 if you were here, you've probably forgotten. It was a fortnight ago. 05:17:53 I'll just comment on the ticket. tuanta , you can ask for a vote here now. 05:19:02 FranciscoD: I have a strong feeling, that u dont want to sponsor that event, there is no problem to decide and say, we want to have it clearly written in the program and we want to have the fedora logo amongt the sponsores 05:19:11 alick, nangthang, zerng07, FreedomKnight: are you ready to vote now? 05:19:35 gnokii: your strong feelings are wrong. There isn't anything else I can say. 05:19:43 I've said that I see no cause for a -1. 05:19:55 If that still gives you opposite feelings, there isn't much I can do about it. 05:20:14 gnokii: I don't understand how you do things. I just like *everything* to be crystal clear. 05:20:27 We've had issues with events right this year when things were assumed. 05:20:40 Since I voted for the event, it got my decision questioned. 05:20:54 I would like to not repeat such a situtation. 05:21:08 seems everyone left? 05:21:20 ping alick, nangthang, zerng07, FreedomKnight 05:21:52 tuanta: the ticket number plz? 05:21:53 I was late this meeting sorry. 05:21:54 +1 we can vote Mario's tickets 05:22:05 #97 05:22:10 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/97 05:24:22 the total fund request is $900 05:24:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSSASIA_2014#Request_for_Funding 05:25:17 tuanta: + hotel accomodations that mario will do, and which will be removed from each travelling members request. 05:25:44 yes, I did in my ticket 05:25:46 tentative +1 for ticket #97 from me. I'll post my queries on the trac ticket itself. 05:26:04 +1 for ticket #97 05:26:25 others? 05:26:25 I can't seem to file a ticket on the infra trac.. 05:26:25 +1 05:26:31 I will give my +1 based on the info on wiki page 05:27:31 seems, it's mostly approved 05:27:57 we can do final approval on the ticket directly 05:28:04 no need any more meeting, I think 05:28:10 tuanta: can you please update this one for tentative approval? I don't want to mix the approval comment with my query comment. 05:28:41 yes, I can 05:29:07 #action tuanta update ticket #97 with tentative approval. 05:29:34 that's all today, I think 05:29:38 I sure hope so. 05:29:43 We're overtime again 05:30:03 I have to go now too 05:30:05 alick: can you please send out the logs to the lists today? 05:30:09 lets close the meeting? 05:30:15 or nangthang ? 05:30:23 FranciscoD: ok 05:30:27 Great. Thanks 05:30:40 #action alick send out meting logs to lists 05:30:44 Closing in 5 05:30:45 4 05:30:48 3.14 05:30:49 2 05:30:50 1 05:30:53 #endmeeting