22:30:41 <aeperezt> #startmeeting 22:30:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 5 22:30:41 2014 UTC. The chair is aeperezt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:30:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:31:03 <aeperezt> #meeting_name Fedora Ambassadors Latam 22:31:13 <aeperezt> #topic rolcall 22:31:17 <LoKoMurdoK> .fas lbazan 22:31:18 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt 22:31:18 <zodbot> LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com> 22:31:20 <Wolnei> .fas wolnei 22:31:21 <alexove> .fas alexove 22:31:22 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com> 22:31:25 <zodbot> Wolnei: wolnei '' <e@wolnei.com.br> - charged '' <e+charged@wolnei.com.br> 22:31:28 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com> 22:31:34 <LoKoMurdoK> Wol 22:31:43 <Wolnei> ;D 22:31:58 * LoKoMurdoK in cellphone 22:32:12 <kusterjr> .fas kusterjr 22:32:12 <zodbot> kusterjr: kusterjr 'Geraldo Antonio Kuster Junior' <geraldojr@geraldokuster.com.br> 22:32:19 * alexove too 22:32:29 <mribeirodantas> .fas mribeirodantas 22:32:30 * mribeirodantas Brazil 22:32:30 <zodbot> mribeirodantas: mribeirodantas 'Marcel Ribeiro Dantas' <ribeirodantasdm@gmail.com> 22:32:43 <TonetJallo> hello 22:32:46 * LoKoMurdoK Panama 22:32:53 * aeperezt Panama 22:32:53 <TonetJallo> .fas tonet666p 22:32:54 <zodbot> TonetJallo: tonet666p 'Tonet Pascualet Jallo Colquehuanca' <tonet666p@gmail.com> 22:32:57 * alexove Perú 22:33:02 * mribeirodantas greets everybody 22:33:02 <mribeirodantas> :-) 22:33:07 <Crisvann> .fas crisvann 22:33:08 * TonetJallo Peru 22:33:08 <zodbot> Crisvann: crisvann '' <cristhian.vanessa.g@gmail.com> 22:33:16 <Crisvann> Nicaragua 22:33:16 <biker> .fas rugebiker 22:33:18 <zodbot> biker: rugebiker 'Ruben Guerra Marin' <rguerra.marin@gmail.com> 22:33:18 <Wolnei> * Brazil 22:33:22 * biker Mexico Holanda 22:33:31 <LoKoMurdoK> biker: hahaha 22:33:43 <skytux> .fas skytux 22:33:43 <zodbot> skytux: skytux 'Germán A. Racca' <gracca@gmail.com> 22:33:53 <skytux> :)) 22:33:54 <biker> :p 22:34:00 <aeperezt> esa doble representación de biker me agrada 22:34:16 <biker> jajaja xD :$ 22:34:20 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: +1 22:34:23 <mribeirodantas> ahah 22:34:27 * skytux Argentina Brasil :)) 22:34:43 <biker> ya no vivo en mexico,., pero sigo siendo orgullosamente latam :D 22:34:50 <aeperezt> biker, espero aprendas mucho de la comunidad de EMEA para que cuando estes de regreso nos enseñes 22:34:52 <aeperezt> jeje 22:35:03 <biker> sii :D 22:35:07 <biker> he aprendido varias cosas 22:35:19 <biker> de hecho estuve platicando mucho con lvaz sobre ciertos temas y diferencias entre ambas comunidades 22:35:22 <mribeirodantas> aeperezt: +1 22:35:34 <aeperezt> biker, es es lo bueno 22:35:45 <aeperezt> biker, excelente tenemos que charlar entonces jeje 22:36:04 <biker> cuando quieras aeperezt (: tengo varios puntos que quisiera platicar contigo jeje 22:36:05 <aeperezt> biker el otro dia andava ocupado y no lei tu mensaje lo siento 22:36:28 <LoKoMurdoK> Topic? 22:36:52 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, revisa en los tikecks a ver si hay algo pendiente 22:36:56 * LoKoMurdoK buena suerte a los nominados 22:36:57 <biker> jeje ntp :) 22:36:58 <TonetJallo> si, cual es la agenfa? 22:37:00 <aeperezt> #topic anuncios 22:37:11 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: estoy desde el cel 22:37:21 <aeperezt> ok 22:38:03 <aeperezt> El presupuesto de Latam paso la revision de Famsco y ahora va a RH para ver cuanto nos asigna 22:38:18 <aeperezt> esperamos que sea un poco mas que el año anterior 22:38:26 <aeperezt> alguien tiene otro anuncio 22:38:28 <mribeirodantas> _o/ 22:38:30 <mribeirodantas> yay 22:38:42 <mribeirodantas> (it was a greeting, not asking for the word :-) 22:39:06 <aeperezt> ok 22:39:21 <aeperezt> no hay tickets para temas 22:39:31 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: ok 22:39:32 <TonetJallo> creo q las ultimas reuniones son cortas no? 22:39:41 <aeperezt> pero voy a poner uno a discución 22:39:43 <TonetJallo> jeje 22:39:46 <aeperezt> #topic fisl 22:40:23 <aeperezt> este tema afecta mucho a la comunidad de Brasil así que me paso a Ingles 22:40:47 <aeperezt> As every year many people from Brasil will want to go to FISL 22:41:16 <aeperezt> we have planed the same budget as last year 22:42:02 <aeperezt> but since last year FISL generated frictions within Brazil community I think it will be best to set some parameters to get sponsor 22:42:44 <aeperezt> I'm assuming that RH will assign the same budget as last year 22:43:46 <aeperezt> Leo Vaz is the event owner 22:44:18 <aeperezt> We need to start filling the tickets for FISL to know how many people want to get sponsor 22:44:38 <aeperezt> we also need to set some dead line to request sponsorship 22:45:12 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: create hito in latam trac and deadline 22:46:00 <aeperezt> and I like that all who want to get sponsor submit a talk and we need to form commite to evaluete the talks so we can qualify it best talks representing fedora 22:46:13 <aeperezt> will get more point or something to get sponsor 22:46:54 <aeperezt> since mribeirodantas is the only one from Brazil around I like you opinion 22:47:07 <aeperezt> and we also have to send this proposal to brazil list 22:47:27 <mribeirodantas> One second. Let me read it. 22:47:52 <aeperezt> the budget for FISL will be used on the first quarte we need to start working on this ASAP 22:48:18 <Wolnei> i am here too 22:48:52 <aeperezt> Wolnei, then please comment it please 22:48:55 <mribeirodantas> Ok, I have a few things regarding this topic. Actually, Itamar and Leo are owners of FISL. Someone "accidently" removed Itamar from the list. He got pissed off, messaged the person and it seems the person hasn't fixed it yet (You guys can check the history. He did it, and that's how he found out who removed his name). It all seemed like an accident 22:49:11 <aeperezt> any one else from Brasil please take the word on the matter 22:49:44 <mribeirodantas> Regarding FISL, though it's not seen as the best, it's the LARGEST event in LATAM. So for sure everybody wants to attend and contribute to make Fedora a nice community to contribute for possible contributors 22:50:16 <aeperezt> mribeirodantas, well in that case itamar and lvaz has the stongest voice about FISL 22:50:21 <kusterjr> mribeirodantas pode traduzir pro pessoal o que vou falar? 22:50:40 <mribeirodantas> That's why lots of people want to go, I think. Whatever.. I think your thoughts are alright, aeperezt. As I told you last year, we should really pay more attention for things like reports. 22:50:44 <mribeirodantas> kusterjr: claro. 22:50:49 <aeperezt> kusterjr, thanks 22:51:20 <biker> mribeirodantas: itamar is on the wiki right now 22:51:21 <biker> =/ 22:51:23 <mribeirodantas> So we shouldn't keep endorsing someone who does not really bring feedback to Fedora, does not post reports, and so on. That's all I think. I believe we have enough budget for everybody, but maybe people show up out of a sudden because it's FISL so we'll have to wait. 22:51:27 <mribeirodantas> biker: great. 22:51:29 <kusterjr> Como falei no Release Party exsistem alguns embaixadores que trabalhão em grupos que não necessariamente apresentem palestras. 22:51:29 <aeperezt> mribeirodantas, if you can translate in here so translation get into the logs better 22:51:50 <mribeirodantas> kusterjr: quando você terminar, digita EOF que ai eu traduzo tudo de uma vez. 22:51:55 <mribeirodantas> aeperezt: I will. 22:52:20 <mribeirodantas> So if we happen to come to a situation where we have more people than budget available, I think we should at beforehand let everybody know that it's really important to vote consciously. 22:52:31 <mribeirodantas> eof. I will wait kusterjr finish, to translate it. 22:52:34 <biker> mribeirodantas: i really cant find in the history anything.. 22:53:07 <mribeirodantas> When the meeting is over and I'm done with something here, I will show you, ok? :-) 22:53:13 <kusterjr> Certo, tem que ser avaliado essas pessoas que trabalham em grupos como o que trabalho que é o FreeMedia, grupos de edição web, essas pessoas tambem fazem o fedora acontecer e podem contribuir nos grupos la do evento. 22:53:14 <kusterjr> EOF 22:53:31 <mribeirodantas> biker: his name is not there. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget_2015?rd=Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget_draft_2015 22:53:37 <mribeirodantas> Owner? Only the other guy. 22:53:47 <mribeirodantas> Ok, kusterjr is done. Here I go. 22:54:02 <aeperezt> mribeirodantas, I think the vote is a good thing but we also need to consider what talks are better and stablish some filters there we need to bring quality to this events 22:54:02 <biker> mribeirodantas: but in the official wiki he is there 22:54:21 <mribeirodantas> biker: great then :-). aeperezt didn't mention him, so I thought he wasn't 22:54:57 <aeperezt> mribeirodantas, yea 22:55:16 <mribeirodantas> (kusterjr) As we talked on the Release Party that was held a few weeks ago, there are lots of ways to contribute to Fedora. Therefore, one should not only consider talks when considering sponsorship for events. There are other teams that should also be sponsored, still acting as an ambassador. Such people can still contribute. 22:55:23 <aeperezt> Wolnei, what do you think 22:55:54 <mribeirodantas> I agree with kusterjr. But if it's a tight decision between a speaker and a non-speaker, I'm not sure what I'd do. Maybe I'd go for the speaker, it depends. 22:55:55 <aeperezt> please if you are not from Brazil you opinion still importan 22:55:56 <Wolnei> the problem on last years of FISL, is the level of lectures 22:56:39 <Wolnei> every year is worst because people vote on new, without search who is talking 22:57:01 <aeperezt> Wolnei, so you think pre selecting lectures will help 22:57:22 <Wolnei> no so much, is a lotery every year 22:57:39 <aeperezt> we can form some committe to review lectures and select best giving them priority to go to FISL 22:57:53 <Wolnei> we tried several types of approach 22:58:12 <Wolnei> and every year we see more lecutres from sponsers 22:58:14 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: = flock? 22:58:19 <Wolnei> and last of good people 22:58:34 <LoKoMurdoK> Or fudcon? 22:59:14 <aeperezt> Wolnei, yes but the idea is quality lectures from the people representing fedora and that those lectures will be Fedora related 22:59:14 <LoKoMurdoK> Create ticket and the people select the talk 22:59:56 <Wolnei> i understant the idea, but FISL and people who voted 23:00:16 <mribeirodantas> Well, it's difficult to decide, aeperezt. You can't really evaluate something based on the theme only. But if we're evaluating talks, a must should be about Fedora or the Fedora ecossystem. 23:00:18 <aeperezt> this is an idea if someone had a better way please lets talk about it 23:00:21 <Wolnei> every time see something with Fedora releated or other distribution ignore 23:00:39 <Wolnei> if is now only new 23:00:40 <mribeirodantas> Wolnei: how come? 23:00:45 <Wolnei> like Fedora ARM 23:01:05 <Wolnei> is very dificult to see in the main rooms 23:01:16 <Wolnei> the initial lectures 23:01:33 <aeperezt> mribeirodantas, what I think is that they had to submit the talks so people or a commite can read them and evaluate 23:01:36 <Wolnei> last year we are moved to a class room 23:01:46 <Wolnei> all group of users 23:02:07 <Bernardoha> .fas bernardoha 23:02:08 <zodbot> Bernardoha: bernardoha 'Bernardo C. Hermitaño Atencio' <bernardoha@gmail.com> 23:02:11 <alexove_> Hola Bernardoha 23:02:12 <mribeirodantas> aeperezt: yeah, that for sure. 23:02:15 <Wolnei> i can say everyone is something a secondary 23:02:19 <Wolnei> of all event 23:02:22 <Bernardoha> que tal como estas 23:02:25 <Bernardoha> estan 23:02:52 <Wolnei> in my opinion, fisl is most a event where in group areas 23:02:59 <Wolnei> people come and do together 23:03:01 <LoKoMurdoK> Bernardoha: meeting now! 23:03:08 <Wolnei> that people do lectures 23:03:31 <aeperezt> I will create a ticket on the track so we discuss it a bit more next meeting and will see if we can drop it on the Brazil list to see if we can get good idea of what we can do and everyone knows about it 23:03:33 <Wolnei> because the good lectures of that people was in small room 23:04:04 <mribeirodantas> Wolnei: Maybe we should consider talking to FISL organization and requesting like two talks in a large room 23:04:08 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: +1 23:04:20 <aeperezt> mribeirodantas, that could be 23:04:37 <mribeirodantas> Something like: Hey, we're going to submit many talk requests. And we're a big project. We would make sure we will make a good appearance if you promiss us at least two or our talks in a large room. 23:04:40 <mribeirodantas> What do you guys think? 23:04:57 <mribeirodantas> of* 23:05:40 <Wolnei> the organization only give us that space if we pay for something 23:05:51 <Wolnei> like a boot 23:05:57 <mribeirodantas> I was lucky in that event you suggested me as speaker, Wolnei. The guy really gave me a chance to make it happen. The event was supposed to be Ubutnut but at the end, 50% the time the talk was fedora. Even at the opening and ending, most of the time he gave to me to speak about Fedora. 23:06:06 <aeperezt> mribeirodantas, we can ask and see 23:06:14 <mribeirodantas> aeperezt: true. Asking does not harm :-0) 23:06:15 <mribeirodantas> :-)* 23:07:08 <Wolnei> i dont want discourage, but that is the reality of FISL today 23:07:19 <Wolnei> we can tried, but keep realistic 23:07:25 <mribeirodantas> I know, I've been warned of it :( politics and money. 23:07:31 <aeperezt> ok lets move forward and check it on the list and see if this helps get better results and less problems on FISL 23:07:38 <Wolnei> and have another plan b 23:07:39 <mribeirodantas> True. 23:07:53 <mribeirodantas> Wolnei: from your experiences, is there a way we could get better exposure during the event? 23:08:31 <Wolnei> to promote more actives on the group of users 23:09:47 <aeperezt> Wolnei, let bring ideas to make fisl a better fedora event for next meeting, same goes to kusterjr and mribeirodantas or any one 23:09:55 <Wolnei> ok 23:09:56 <mribeirodantas> Ok. 23:09:58 <mribeirodantas> _o> 23:10:13 <kusterjr> ok 23:10:24 <aeperezt> since there is no other topic at this time lets move to open floor 23:10:29 <aeperezt> #topic open floor 23:10:41 <mribeirodantas> ! 23:10:51 <alexove_> ! 23:10:58 <aeperezt> #action aeperezt to open ticket to discuss more the fisl proposal 23:11:07 <LoKoMurdoK> mribeirodantas: 23:11:08 <aeperezt> mribeirodantas, go ahead 23:11:12 <mribeirodantas> Does everyone know http://apps.fedoraproject.org/ ? It's such an excellent place to start if you want to contribute but are a bit lost at what you might be useful. 23:11:41 <mribeirodantas> Tinkering in there, you can find tasks that are ready for be assigned to you, and easier contributions like tagging and so on. I suggest you guys to have a look (the ones who doesn't know about it yet, of course) 23:11:41 <LoKoMurdoK> mribeirodantas: +1 23:11:45 <mribeirodantas> eof 23:11:57 <aeperezt> alexove_, adelante 23:12:11 <alexove_> Estoy en el célular 23:12:45 <aeperezt> ok 23:12:59 <alexove_> Quiero darle la palabra a Bernardoha y agradecerle que por considerarme dentro del equipo de coordinación del FLISOL 23:13:07 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: algun tema fudcon? 23:13:17 <alexove_> Me refiero a la coordinación Nacional de FLISOL 23:13:20 <Bernardoha> ! 23:13:22 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, no 23:13:31 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: ok 23:13:31 <aeperezt> Bernardoha, adelante 23:13:38 <Bernardoha> Bien gracias... 23:13:50 <Bernardoha> justo como mencionaba... Alexove 23:14:18 <Bernardoha> la comunidad Fedora Peru es parte de la coordinacion nacional Flisol 2014 23:15:09 <Bernardoha> es decir estamos encardos de dirigir el evento Nacional 23:15:31 <LoKoMurdoK> Bernardoha: buenas noticias! 23:15:36 <aeperezt> Bernardoha, exelente 23:16:10 <Bernardoha> si justo mas, tarde estaremos reunidos con los organizadores del año pasado 23:16:22 <Bernardoha> para ya cedernos la posta 23:16:37 <Bernardoha> necesitamos todo el apoyo de Fedora-Latam 23:16:47 <mribeirodantas> That's great. Congratulations :-) 23:16:48 <LoKoMurdoK> +1 23:17:29 <Bernardoha> para la siguiente semana estaremos en el meeting con algunas solicitudes 23:18:24 <aeperezt> Bernardoha, recuerden que hay un presupuesto y tenemos que ver como lo manejamos dentro del mismo 23:18:35 <Bernardoha> si, eso tenemos en cuenta... 23:18:35 <aeperezt> pero veremos como se les ayuda 23:18:55 <TonetJallo> sigue el meeting?, se me fue la conexion por un instante 23:19:01 <Bernardoha> claro pero cuando llenamos el presupuesto no pensabamos ser parte de la org. nacional 23:19:36 <LoKoMurdoK> :( 23:19:38 <TonetJallo> bernardoha, te dieron siempre la coordinacion naciona? 23:20:24 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: esta duro cambiar numeros a estas alturas.. :( 23:21:13 <LoKoMurdoK> ? 23:21:18 <Bernardoha> bueno.. pero de todos modos 23:21:25 <Bernardoha> con lo q se tiene 23:21:36 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, no se puede ya los numeros del presupuesto pasaron a RH y si cambian es para menos no mas 23:21:39 <Bernardoha> o con lo que hay... haremos 23:21:46 <alexove_> Bernardoha +1 23:21:50 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: listo! 23:22:17 <aeperezt> gracias Bernardoha y que bien por Fedora Peru 23:22:23 <aeperezt> algun otro tema 23:22:31 <LoKoMurdoK> Nope 23:22:39 <aeperezt> ok 23:22:43 <aeperezt> gracias a todos 23:22:47 <aeperezt> thanks everyone 23:22:55 <aeperezt> cierro la reunion 23:22:56 <LoKoMurdoK> Blessing! 23:23:00 <aeperezt> close the meeting 23:23:02 <Bernardoha> ok gracias a uds. 23:23:06 <aeperezt> #endmeeting