14:33:10 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:33:10 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:33:10 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:33:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:33:25 <lnovich> so someone got the bot working?
14:33:34 <randomuser> thanks nirik
14:34:09 <randomuser> morning jjmcd
14:34:23 <randomuser> any further discussion on Publican?
14:34:43 <randomuser> oh, and it'll be Publican 4 so we're getting that in F20 soon, i hear
14:34:50 <nb> we are having docs meeting?
14:34:51 * Sparks is here
14:35:15 <randomuser> good morning nb
14:35:17 * nb is here also
14:35:19 <nb> randomuser, good morning
14:35:21 <lnovich> we sure are nb
14:35:38 <jjmcd> The trouble with deleting old guides is that traffic isn't a good guide as people's need for old stuff is erratic
14:36:14 <Sparks> All the old guides should be published on the new system.
14:36:32 <jjmcd> When you need a guide for FC4 you really need it, but chances are it's been years since you did need it
14:36:42 <jjmcd> Sparks, there was talk earlier of only migrating more recent
14:36:42 <nb> we currently have a docs01.dev instance which is on Fedora Infrastructure's OpenStack
14:36:53 <nb> and we have docs-backend01 which is what we will eventually use in production
14:36:55 <Sparks> jjmcd: No, it will all be built
14:37:00 <jjmcd> +1
14:37:04 <Sparks> AFAIK
14:37:22 * LoKoMurdoK here
14:37:41 <jjmcd> Well, I for one am a fan of migrating all, or perhaps linking old ones, but they should all be available
14:38:25 <Sparks> Right now we're just tryning to get the current ones built.  We'll go back and backfill the rest later.
14:38:30 <randomuser> I don't think links or redirects are going to be practical
14:39:26 <Sparks> randomuser: No, they won't since the existing site will be going away.
14:39:31 <randomuser> so, in summary, WIP, guides to be published sometime soon
14:39:41 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:40:26 <randomuser> i actually have an issue to deal with under this section
14:41:45 <randomuser> Fedora packagers have an "unresponsive maintainer" process, where assigned packages are orphaned or reassigned if someone ignores mails, bug tickets, process, etc
14:41:58 <randomuser> I'm wondering how you all feel about adopting such policy
14:42:13 <lnovich> how does that work/
14:42:40 <randomuser> lnovich, the packagers use http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers
14:43:10 <randomuser> basically, if you can't be reached by some means, you're considered unresponsive
14:43:20 <Sparks> randomuser: Well, since no one really "owns" a guide it's really not a problem.
14:43:21 <lnovich> is there anyone in particular (other than me) who I can help you track down?
14:43:51 <randomuser> Sparks, in theory, sure
14:44:01 <randomuser> lnovich, just posing a general question, for now
14:44:07 <Sparks> I mean, I guess I "own" the Accessibility Guide but I haven't had time to update that thing in years.
14:44:19 <Sparks> It's open to anyone who wants to update it.
14:44:22 <lnovich> i wouldn't want to make enemies - we can use all the contributions we can get
14:44:39 <randomuser> Sparks, our SOP though is "if you want to work on a guide you should coordinate with the guide owner"
14:44:46 <Sparks> That was one of the reasons we went to a single group having commit access instead of the individual groups.
14:44:52 <jjmcd> Yeah, I'm not sure how valuable it would be
14:46:09 <randomuser> so consensus is that there's not much need for it?
14:46:14 <randomuser> I can go with that
14:46:52 <randomuser> moving on to actual guide topic, then...
14:46:59 <randomuser> awesome wishlists, Sparks and jjmcd
14:47:01 <lnovich> i can try to wrangle up the troops
14:47:20 <lnovich> i know some of the contributors  and can beg
14:47:49 <randomuser> lol, lnovich - beg who for what, now?
14:48:07 <lnovich> authors who have been on hiatus
14:48:55 <randomuser> ah, ok
14:50:10 <randomuser> last call for guide news?
14:50:27 * Capesteve hides in shame
14:50:36 * lnovich joins capesteve
14:50:53 <Capesteve> now that DevConf is over, i promise to redouble my efforts
14:51:12 <randomuser> I was wondering if you would attend
14:51:49 <lnovich> been working on a new edition for F20 but by the time it is done it will most likely be F21
14:52:19 <randomuser> lnovich, working in the fedora git repo, or...
14:52:33 <lnovich> LOTS of new material coming my way from libvirt which is going into the guide
14:52:57 <lnovich> currently not - but it will be getting there soon
14:53:40 <lnovich> my workflow has to be to serve my workplace first (sorry)... which I know is the opposite way developers work
14:54:01 <randomuser> I understand
14:54:13 <lnovich> but if I can ever get ahead of the ball, I will get material up to Fedora first in the future *which is my goal*
14:55:04 <randomuser> lnovich, if there's some way I can help you catch up, let me know
14:55:37 <randomuser> as is, it seems like you have to be on your own
14:56:20 <lnovich> i don't mind being on my own
14:58:05 <randomuser> so, that covers guides, ok
14:58:26 <randomuser> short on time, so we'll skip bugs
14:58:40 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
15:00:09 * randomuser closes the floor
15:00:14 <randomuser> thanks for coming, everyone
15:00:17 <randomuser> #endmeeting