15:07:15 #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting 15:07:15 Meeting started Tue Feb 11 15:07:15 2014 UTC. The chair is Kevin_Kofler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:07:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:07:21 #meetingname kde-sig 15:07:21 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:07:27 #topic Role call 15:07:33 * Kevin_Kofler is present, who else? 15:07:47 * jgrulich is present 15:07:48 here 15:08:24 sorry, may get pulled away (again), this slot happens to fall on my office hours @ work 15:09:43 * ltinkl is present 15:10:26 #chair jgrulich rdieter_work ltinkl 15:10:26 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jgrulich ltinkl rdieter_work 15:10:39 #info Kevin_Kofler, jgrulich, ltinkl, rdieter present. 15:10:47 #topic Agenda 15:11:08 So, do we have anything to discuss? And also, do we want to discuss it with only 4 people present? 15:11:09 * jreznik is around but not feeling very well, so... 15:11:20 #chair jreznik 15:11:20 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jgrulich jreznik ltinkl rdieter_work 15:11:31 #info jreznik also present. 15:12:22 So I'm going to wait a minute for anybody to propose agenda topics, and if not, adjourn the meeting right here. 15:12:53 ltinkl: will you be around after meeting, I'd like to pick your brain a little about the workstation WG PRD, otherwise we can do it during the meeting here/now 15:13:11 I have one problem to solve https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1063378 15:13:33 .bug 1063378 15:13:37 rdieter_work: yup i will, we need to discuss it a bit more, not here preferably 15:13:40 Kevin_Kofler: Bug 1063378 kde-plasma-nm base package should not require ModemManager - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1063378 15:13:44 ltinkl: ok, thanks 15:14:11 jgrulich: Not sure what the best solution is here. 15:14:27 Really, ModemManager needs some enabled=no configuration. :-/ 15:14:29 I think we already discuss it with rdieter_work before, but we didn't find any suitable solution 15:15:00 kde-plasma-nm doesn't need ModemManager, but libmm-qt does 15:15:05 jgrulich: yeah, we had an old (cantfix?) bug, I think. probably just dup it. no need to rehash it again 15:15:10 and without libmm-qt you can't have libnm-qt 15:16:02 #topic #1063378 15:16:19 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1063378 15:16:31 #info Bug 1063378 kde-plasma-nm base package should not require ModemManager 15:16:34 I can look at it one more time after meeting, just in case 15:16:34 when libnm-qt is compiled with libmm-qt support, it hardly depends on it 15:16:52 I think there's indeed no good solution for that. 15:17:06 So → CANTFIX. 15:17:25 jgrulich: could consider dropping Requires: ModemManager from libmm-qt 15:17:29 ye, there's nothing linking (strictly speaking) libnm-qt to libmm-qt 15:17:58 rdieter_work: can't, this thing really needs MM running 15:18:19 if kde-plasma-nm-mobile is it's only consumer, put the dep there instead 15:19:04 But there's also a BR ModemManager-devel. 15:19:17 If this links to ModemManager libraries, dropping the explicit Requires isn't going to help. 15:19:39 I didn't see MM having any libs 15:19:44 checked that first 15:19:57 libmm-qt uses only MM headers 15:20:09 for enums and macros 15:20:24 * rdieter_work repoqueries 15:20:49 k, kde-plasma-nm indeed is the only thing pulling in libmm-qt currently 15:21:08 so, what I proposed may be the only option (other than doing nothing) 15:21:46 Yeah, it's ugly, but it's probably the best solution for the users. 15:22:07 So +1 to moving the Requires. 15:22:11 i'm here too just for the record, not that i have anything to add 15:22:29 kde-plasma-nm-mobile already has the dep, so it's only a matter of removing from libmm-qt at this point. 15:22:43 #info mbriza present 15:22:45 #chair mbriza 15:22:45 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jgrulich jreznik ltinkl mbriza rdieter_work 15:23:12 jgrulich, ltinkl : assuming nothing blows up if MM is missing? 15:23:34 or is that an unknown yet? 15:23:49 rdieter_work: I guess only dbus calls won't work 15:23:57 rdieter_work: nah, it shouldn't blow up, it just won't work for modems if you insert one 15:24:07 (hopefully) 15:24:46 I have no strong feelings either way... it's not like having ModemManager installed is hurting anyone 15:25:21 on my box, pulls in a whopping 326k package 15:25:29 rdieter_work: The argument in the bug is that it does hurt because it claims all USB-serial adapters. 15:25:39 And there's no way to disable that behavior. 15:25:43 rdieter_work: maybe putting ModemManager as dependency for libmm-qt-devel if someone wants to hack on it? 15:26:04 jgrulich: I'd just remove the dependency entirely. 15:26:06 Kevin_Kofler: then there's a bug in MM itself, it's not like we are the ones eating the ports 15:26:18 jgrulich: , not a bad idea 15:26:28 Runtime dependencies in -devel are not welcome, they only force more stuff into the buildroots. 15:26:47 It just doesn't make any logical sense to have this dep in -devel. 15:26:52 (no strong feelings either way though, again) 15:29:04 ok, then I'll remove MM as dependency from libmm-qt 15:30:07 #agreed Remove ModemManager as a dependency from libmm-qt, a Requires remains in kde-plasma-nm-mobile, which should be sufficient in practice. 15:32:20 #topic Open discussion 15:32:28 So, anything else or can we close the meeting? 15:35:03 * jreznik has nothing to share now 15:36:25 OK, waited more than enough. ;-) 15:36:30 Thanks for coming! 15:36:32 #endmeeting