02:01:15 <masta> #startmeeting FAmNA
02:01:15 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 12 02:01:15 2014 UTC.  The chair is masta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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02:01:16 <masta> #meetingname FAmNA
02:01:16 <masta> #chair inode0 nb kk4ewt
02:01:16 <masta> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
02:01:16 <masta> Welcome to the Fedora North America Ambassador’s weekly IRC meeting!
02:01:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
02:01:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: inode0 kk4ewt masta nb
02:01:47 <award3535> humm doesnt show me on chair
02:01:53 <wrnash1> me to
02:01:58 <Cydrobolt> Hello
02:02:01 <chanchito> hey everyone!  bad winter storm on the way, east coast, mid-atlantic, northeast, lots of ice, snow, rain, sleet, yuck!
02:02:05 <masta> haha
02:02:19 * inode0 is here
02:02:21 <masta> #chair award3535 wrnash1 chanchito
02:02:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 chanchito inode0 kk4ewt masta nb wrnash1
02:02:21 * dan408_ is here
02:02:30 <masta> #chair dan408 inode0
02:02:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 chanchito dan408 inode0 kk4ewt masta nb wrnash1
02:02:31 <award3535> yeah
02:02:52 <inode0> listening to etta james trying to calm down
02:02:57 <masta> .chair award3535
02:02:57 <zodbot> award3535 is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them.
02:03:07 <masta> ;-)
02:03:09 <award3535> LOL
02:03:14 <chanchito> sister rosetta tharpe!
02:04:27 * inode0 puts her in the queue
02:05:41 <masta> #topic === Announcements ===
02:05:53 <masta> Any announcements this week?
02:06:10 <dan408_> hi inode0
02:06:39 <masta> VMWorld is this week, SCaLE will be next week.
02:06:54 <inode0> VMWorld is in August isn't it?
02:06:59 <nb> hi
02:07:06 <inode0> I thought I was going to it!
02:07:49 <chanchito> i find vmworld is predominantly a sales seminar, heavily pushing software sales, tons of resellers, very little room for anything open source related, unless its the base of a product being sold or integrated, major turn off last two years
02:08:23 <masta> inode0: you might be right, perhaps I got the date wrong with my event calendar
02:08:48 <masta> ok so.. moving on..
02:08:50 <inode0> chanchito: there is always the RHEV booth!
02:09:04 <masta> #topic === Tickets ===
02:09:05 <masta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
02:09:14 <chanchito> true, the only consolation in an otherwise proprietary cosmos
02:09:34 <masta> .famnaticket 70
02:09:35 <zodbot> masta: #70 (SCaLE 12x Budget - Feb 21-23rd) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/70
02:09:50 <masta> #topic  #70 (SCaLE 12x Budget - Feb 21-23rd) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/70
02:10:06 <masta> dan408: we need to make arrangements to get them the box
02:10:15 <dan408_> masta: already done
02:10:17 <masta> dan408: has anybody been in touch with you yet?
02:10:21 <masta> dan408: perfect
02:10:31 <inode0> efficiency!
02:10:36 <dan408_> :)
02:10:43 <nb> chanchito, do you still have the east coast box?
02:11:45 <masta> anybody involved with SCaLE here right now?
02:12:00 <dan408_> doesn't appear so.
02:12:13 * masta notes the Crickets chirping
02:12:36 <masta> ok then, if they come in the channel we can revisit, if we are still here.
02:12:36 <award3535> lots of crickets
02:12:43 * inode0 adds the crickets to his queue next
02:13:15 <masta> .famnaticket 68
02:13:17 <zodbot> masta: #68 (FAmNA Meeting Organization) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/68
02:13:28 <masta> #topic #68 (FAmNA Meeting Organization) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/68
02:13:45 <masta> inode0: you have the floor
02:14:01 <masta> ;-)
02:14:07 <inode0> let me go read the ticket, it is so old I am not sure I remember what I said
02:14:38 <inode0> well, I'm not sure what to add
02:14:46 <masta> ok then, we may move on then..
02:14:50 <inode0> I made a suggestion and asked for others, there have been no others
02:15:01 <inode0> and not really any interest in what I suggested
02:15:04 <award3535> I have missed so much, been working too much
02:15:12 <chanchito> ditto, same here
02:15:18 <chanchito> corporate blues
02:15:28 <chanchito> and winter doldrums to boot
02:15:42 <award3535> at least no snow for me here in SE GA
02:15:52 <dan408_> um
02:15:56 * dan408_ thinks
02:16:05 <chanchito> nb:  i still have the east coast even box, safe and sound, intact was not touched while i was away
02:16:07 <masta> does anybody have a TOPIC to propose?
02:16:23 <chanchito> the only event i have coming up is the annual NELF
02:16:28 <dan408_> I guess we should try and look at some new events to attend
02:16:32 <nb> chanchito, ok, either ben or I will send you a shipping label to send it to him probably
02:16:35 <nb> chanchito, when is that?
02:16:36 <award3535> upcoming events that need attention and event planners
02:16:43 <chanchito> once i coordinate further with Jonathan Nadeau, i will have solid info
02:16:46 <masta> chanchito: mind giving Southern_Gentlem your info so he can send you a shipping label
02:16:50 <chanchito> ben did send me labels,
02:16:53 <chanchito> i got them today
02:17:03 <nb> oh ok
02:17:03 <inode0> efficiency!
02:17:03 <masta> chanchito: awesome
02:17:06 <chanchito> need to check my dates for NELF just in case and then ship or wait
02:17:07 <dan408_> Maybe if we made the ambassador program a little more "rewarding" attendance would go up
02:17:25 <chanchito> you mean at the NELF?
02:17:34 <inode0> ok, $10 to every good idea
02:17:43 <masta> dan408: what kind of incentives would you propose?
02:17:44 <dan408_> So you owe me 20
02:17:45 <dan408_> ;p
02:17:48 <chanchito> hmmm
02:17:58 <chanchito> how about pizza coupons, i love pizza
02:18:08 <chanchito> cheap date
02:18:17 <dan408_> masta: Well better access to Red Hat things?
02:18:27 <chanchito> better
02:18:30 <chanchito> good on e
02:18:32 <chanchito> one
02:18:35 <dan408_> heh
02:18:36 <award3535> all I need is the passion for the product, if you are passionate about what you do, then you need nothing but enthusiasm
02:18:37 <inode0> talk about cheap dates :)
02:18:58 <dan408_> Maybe we should advertise the ambassador program on the fedora website more?
02:19:03 <wrnash1> what about if you attend so many meetings a year you get a year membership to redhat
02:19:17 <award3535> +1
02:19:18 <inode0> membership to redhat?
02:19:33 <inode0> the redhat society? :)
02:19:34 <award3535> recognition
02:19:34 <wrnash1> support site to download latest version of redhat
02:19:47 <nb> badges!
02:20:20 <wrnash1> it would need to be a very high number of meetings
02:20:24 * inode0 is intrigued by membership to the red hat society
02:20:32 <award3535> badges are hard for me to earn and what do they do for me
02:20:44 <dan408_> wrnash1: It's hard enough to get a RHEL subscription via nirik's epel entitlement program
02:21:11 <masta> people are motivated in different ways, so I'm always interested to read what different strokes for diff folks...
02:21:23 <dan408_> free stuff
02:21:27 <wrnash1> I understand that might be a option
02:21:31 <masta> dan408: what about badges?
02:21:41 <masta> anybody here motivated by badges?
02:21:44 <wrnash1> what does badges get me?
02:21:53 <dan408_> i already have like 40+ badges
02:21:58 <masta> wrnash1: you get to level-up I guess... like a game
02:21:58 <award3535> I spend a lot of time in distribution of our product to those who cannot download it
02:22:02 <inode0> you get your every move tracked and recorded :)
02:22:07 <dan408_> 50.
02:22:32 <award3535> but what does it do for someone like me, a volunteer all the way around
02:22:47 <inode0> it is either fun for you or it isn't, that is all
02:23:05 <dan408_> welp, i was just throwing some ideas out there
02:23:08 * nb admits he has done some stuff just to get badges,
02:23:18 <nb> but yeah, i think it motivates some people, and doesn't motivate others
02:23:18 <award3535> no this is good stuff to discuss
02:23:20 <masta> see..
02:23:39 <award3535> this is participation what we have been lacking
02:23:42 <masta> I'd like to add any kind of incentive, no matter how trivial... so plz bring all the ideas...
02:24:02 <dan408_> when they did the fedora summer of hardware giveaway that was really cool
02:24:26 <inode0> but sort of a sad and depressing lack of interest too
02:24:26 <award3535> oh yeah, I actually won a Pi on the last one, really cool
02:24:37 <dan408_> me too
02:24:54 <masta> dan408: I think we had a huge rush of new "Contributors" suddenly... that was right when I joined, and there were alot more ambassadors then... but then right after the hardware shipped they all dropped off the face of the universe
02:25:03 <inode0> winning wasn't required as everyone got what they asked for
02:26:01 <chanchito> i like patches for sewing on fedora clothing
02:26:12 <dan408_> we should have a FAD in Hawaii.
02:26:15 <dan408_> ;p
02:26:17 <masta> lol
02:26:43 <inode0> we could have a Firestone 600 FAD
02:26:44 <dan408_> im sure that'd perk some people right up
02:26:47 <award3535> but those who are passionate about what we do, I enjoy working with everyone on the project, and continue to do so as long as I can
02:27:55 <masta> inode0: we are having a firestone 600 fad
02:28:07 <masta> wrnash1: you're welcome to attend that one, fyi
02:28:09 <award3535> I have been receiving personal mail from the free media recipients thanking me for the help I gave them, that is enough for me for a job well done
02:28:25 <masta> =p
02:28:32 <dan408_> welp
02:28:38 <inode0> man, I've sent hundreds of those and never received a thank you
02:28:50 <award3535> got four this month
02:29:00 <masta> award3535: I like your attitude about all this, and agree... community service is it's own reward
02:29:16 <chanchito> award3535 is right, the best thanks is gratitude from an end user, after an install, etc
02:29:30 <chanchito> very true
02:30:19 <dan408_> so this conversation is not really going anywhere..
02:30:20 <award3535> I have a small business owner that only uses Fedora on all of his PCs, I get requests and thanks from the owner after every release I send
02:30:47 <chanchito> kudos
02:30:57 <masta> dan408: nod
02:31:03 <masta> Moving on...
02:31:19 <chanchito> north tessmucker, north!
02:31:23 <award3535> I guess what I am trying to say, if you are an ambassador and dont enjoy what you do, then your road ends, and yes lets move on
02:31:25 <masta> #topic === FAmNA Open Floor ===
02:31:30 <inode0> dan408: I think free subs is hard but wonder if maybe we could get academic rates for Fedora people?
02:31:59 <dan408_> inode0: Well I was thinking more along the lines of RH training
02:32:11 <award3535> +1!
02:32:13 <inode0> we used to get a discount on that but no one used it
02:32:14 <wrnash1> I would like the RH training
02:32:14 <dan408_> inode0: obviously we're all here because we work with RH products in one way or another
02:32:35 <masta> great, and stabby is not here
02:32:45 <dan408_> inode0: We had a really nice private fedora area at puppetconf
02:32:51 <inode0> So there are discounts available ... or there were
02:32:55 <award3535> I would like to be a RH employee
02:33:03 <dan408_> inode0: It would take some work with suehle / rbergeron
02:33:12 <inode0> what would?
02:33:20 <award3535> earning training would be a great start
02:33:21 <dan408_> inode0: Working out some deals
02:33:33 <inode0> no, we can do that anyway
02:33:54 <dan408_> inode0: For example, if you volunteer at Event X for a day you get to attend training for free
02:34:00 <masta> dan408: you use RH products? not me... used to kinda... but these days RH is like a down stream distro that is years behind Fedora... they have nothing to offer
02:34:07 <inode0> oh, you aren't going to get it for free
02:34:22 <dan408_> okay well a significant discount then
02:34:36 <dan408_> masta: yes I do
02:34:48 <inode0> the problem is most people aren't anywhere that enables them to actually take it
02:34:54 <dan408_> masta: also congrats
02:35:03 <masta> dan408: thanks
02:35:13 <inode0> and about 25% is about as significant as I think you'll get
02:35:28 <dan408_> inode0: well something to think about either way I guess :)
02:35:48 <masta> I wonder who we can talk to about discounts? anybody know?
02:35:49 <inode0> if you want 25% off talk to me :)
02:35:56 <dan408_> :)
02:36:00 <dan408_> k will keep that in mind
02:36:13 <masta> cool
02:36:14 <inode0> masta: we'll talk to you even though you don't know about them yet
02:36:44 <dan408_> I don't know I guess we should think about some kind of way to advertise / promote the Ambassador program
02:36:53 <dan408_> offer incentives for people to join and be active
02:37:16 <award3535> I think that the events and travel are a great benefit
02:37:30 <dan408_> oh
02:37:37 <dan408_> I think pycon is coming up next month
02:37:43 <wrnash1> Maybe a welcome kit for a new member.
02:37:46 <award3535> get to go and do things in areas, also get some training if I can
02:37:52 <dan408_> Looks like they moved to Montreal
02:38:10 <dan408_> I would love to man pycon in montreal
02:38:18 <dan408_> goto a habs game
02:38:41 <award3535> a kit is a good Idea, I never got anything other than going to my first event, steep learning curve but I survived
02:38:50 <dan408_> do we have any plans for Pycon?
02:38:54 <dan408_> isnt that a sponsored event?
02:39:02 <dan408_> or an official event or whatevr you call it
02:39:22 <inode0> it is a Red Hat event - talk to abadger1999 maybe
02:39:56 <inode0> we normally send swag, Red Hat sends a bunch of people
02:40:21 <dan408_> Yeah there were a bunch of Red Hatters there
02:40:37 <chanchito> montreal is very nice in the summer
02:40:56 <masta> award3535: yea we do have a training problem
02:41:13 <masta> award3535: sink or swim is our current model
02:41:18 <inode0> problem being no training?
02:41:29 <dramsey> :)
02:41:39 <wrnash1> I agree we need training
02:41:43 <award3535> I survived, and enjoy every minute of a challenge
02:41:55 <award3535> but not everyone is like me
02:42:16 <masta> inode0: well I guess the mentor process
02:42:29 <masta> I feel lucky, I got inode0 as my mentor....
02:42:32 <award3535> I would be willing to look into a process for new ambassadors
02:42:47 <masta> award3535: that sounds great!
02:43:06 <masta> award3535: you seem like you could contribute a lot in that regard
02:43:56 <masta> ok folks... it's slow going so time to be over
02:44:03 <masta> here goes the count down
02:44:04 <award3535> you can put me as action on that, but I will be out for vacation in march
02:44:29 <masta> #action award3535 to look into a process for new ambassadors
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02:44:41 <masta> #endmeeting