20:03:33 <mitzie> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing Meeting 2/17/14
20:03:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Feb 17 20:03:33 2014 UTC.  The chair is mitzie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:03:50 <mitzie> #topic Rollcall
20:04:13 <mitzie> #chair jzb croberts
20:04:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: croberts jzb mitzie
20:04:26 <mitzie> #chair roshi
20:04:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: croberts jzb mitzie roshi
20:04:33 <mitzie> So hello everyone!
20:04:37 * roshi is here
20:04:49 <mitzie> .fas mitzie
20:04:49 <zodbot> mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <zacharias.mitzelos@gmail.com>
20:04:52 <roshi> since we did a roll call - feels odd if I don't say that
20:04:52 <jzb> .fasinfo jzb
20:04:53 <zodbot> jzb: User: jzb, Name: Joe Brockmeier, email: jzb@zonker.net, Creation: 2010-04-20, IRC Nick: jzb, Timezone: America/Chicago, Locale: en, GPG key ID: A0207CD4, Status: active
20:04:56 <zodbot> jzb: Approved Groups: marketing cla_done cla_fpca cla_fedora
20:05:01 <roshi> .fas roshi
20:05:01 <zodbot> roshi: porochan 'hiroshi hisano' <fuzzy@ops.dti.ne.jp> - hiroshi 'hiro' <hirotakarazuka@nifty.cpm> - hiro4yamada 'Hiroshi Yamada' <hiro4yamada@gmail.com> - fukushima 'Hiroshi Fukushima' <Hiroshi.Fukushima@anritsu.com> - szkh9fed 'Hiroshi Suzuki' <suzuki@radio.ce.titech.ac.jp> - hasui 'Hiroshi Hasui' <hasui@csse.muroran-it.ac.jp> - roshitha33 'Roshitha Perera' <roshitha33@yahoo.com> - oqto 'Hiroshi Yamauchi' (1 more message)
20:05:32 <roshi> really wondering what that doesn't work for me
20:05:41 <roshi> none of those are me :)
20:05:49 <mitzie> Haha, true roshi ;)
20:05:58 <jzb> roshi: is roshi your IRC nick *and* FAS username?
20:05:58 <mitzie> ping croberts
20:06:04 <roshi> yep
20:06:08 <roshi> .fas Roshi
20:06:08 <zodbot> roshi: porochan 'hiroshi hisano' <fuzzy@ops.dti.ne.jp> - hiroshi 'hiro' <hirotakarazuka@nifty.cpm> - hiro4yamada 'Hiroshi Yamada' <hiro4yamada@gmail.com> - fukushima 'Hiroshi Fukushima' <Hiroshi.Fukushima@anritsu.com> - szkh9fed 'Hiroshi Suzuki' <suzuki@radio.ce.titech.ac.jp> - hasui 'Hiroshi Hasui' <hasui@csse.muroran-it.ac.jp> - roshitha33 'Roshitha Perera' <roshitha33@yahoo.com> - oqto 'Hiroshi Yamauchi' (1 more message)
20:06:12 <jzb> .fasinfo roshi
20:06:14 <zodbot> jzb: User: roshi, Name: Mike Ruckman, email: mruckman@redhat.com, Creation: 2013-08-24, IRC Nick: roshi, Timezone: US/Mountain, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
20:06:17 <zodbot> jzb: Unapproved Groups: magazine marketing
20:06:20 <zodbot> jzb: Approved Groups: +qa fedorabugs qa-admin cla_done cla_fpca
20:06:23 <roshi> ha - that worked
20:06:44 <jzb> roshi: .fas is a search, .fasinfo gets specifics on a single user.
20:06:52 <roshi> TIL :)
20:06:52 <jzb> roshi: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot
20:07:08 <roshi> since I learned something today already, do I get to go back to sleep now?
20:07:10 <mitzie> Btw roshi, we don't control the magazine group in fas, it was made for something else
20:07:25 <roshi> ok
20:07:38 <jzb> shall we begin?
20:07:43 <roshi> but we do control the marketing group, right?
20:07:46 <roshi> sure
20:07:53 <mitzie> Yeah, I didn't know it either, don't worry ;)
20:07:57 <mitzie> Yeap!
20:08:05 <mitzie> #topic Magazine
20:08:34 <mitzie> So I think we should decide about the images in the front page
20:09:06 <jzb> mitzie: the slideshow, or the icons next to stories, or both?
20:09:11 <mitzie> They look boring, keeping always the same ones
20:09:27 <roshi> can we pull in someone from the design team on this?
20:09:32 <mitzie> Ahh sorry the slideshow, the icons looks very nice :)
20:09:40 <roshi> perhaps they can give us some new images
20:09:55 <jzb> mitzie: what's the origin on the front page icons?
20:10:16 <mitzie> Don't know, croberts added them
20:10:19 <jzb> I think they might could use a bit of refinement.
20:11:12 <mitzie> Croberts opened a ticket in design, but I don't know if it is for the slideshow images
20:12:05 <roshi> I feel like we would have a pretty good working relationship with them
20:12:23 <mitzie> With design you mean?
20:12:29 <roshi> yeah
20:13:05 <mitzie> We already have, as they designed the magazine
20:13:19 <mitzie> I"ll open a ticket and see what we can do
20:14:02 <mitzie> About the slideshow images
20:14:06 <roshi> sounds good
20:14:40 <mitzie> #action mitzie open a ticket in design trac about the images in yhe front page of the magazine
20:14:41 <jzb> mitzie: could we see about actually having design folks *in* the marketing meetings?
20:14:52 <jzb> seems to me that design and marketing sort of go hand-in-hand...
20:14:55 <croberts> im here sorry
20:14:58 <croberts> wrong chan
20:15:03 <mitzie> Hey croberts
20:15:06 <croberts> .fas chrisroberts
20:15:06 <zodbot> croberts: chrisroberts 'Chris Roberts' <croberts@cintrixhosting.com>
20:15:10 <croberts> :)
20:15:15 <croberts> hey mitie jzb
20:15:59 <roshi> that's kinda what I was thinking jzb
20:15:59 <mitzie> Croberts, we were talking about the images in the slideshow of the mag
20:16:00 <jzb> howdy
20:16:19 <croberts> ah ok thanks for brining me up to speed
20:16:22 <mitzie> I recall you opened a ticket in design about some pics in the mag?
20:16:26 <croberts> i have been without email
20:16:32 <croberts> yes i did
20:16:33 <mitzie> No problem ;)
20:16:39 <croberts> gnocki is going to get some images created
20:16:48 <croberts> for the slideshow and featured images
20:17:02 <jzb> do we actually need the slideshow?
20:17:11 <mitzie> So the ticket is assigned to gnoki?
20:17:12 <jzb> we haven't been updating those stories for months.
20:17:41 <mitzie> I tried to disable ot and it really looks boring..
20:17:50 <mitzie> In the past
20:18:05 <mitzie> What do you guys think?
20:18:32 <roshi> I think the slideshow is good - but we need to have more content and images for that headline
20:18:41 <croberts> ++ roshi
20:19:07 <jzb> croberts: were you the person who created my new account?
20:19:11 <jzb> on Fedora Magazine?
20:19:21 <croberts> jzb: yes
20:19:31 <croberts> you should have admin right
20:19:36 <jzb> croberts: why does it say "Howdy, Joe Brockenmeier"?
20:19:47 <croberts> hmm?
20:19:58 <croberts> i will have to look if it says howdy chris roberts
20:19:58 <jzb> croberts: there's a spare "en" in my name that doesn't belong there.
20:20:04 <croberts> oh very sorry
20:20:24 <mitzie> +1 roshi. I tried to get the flock group picture on the slideshow but it doesn't look good ;(  (so we could link it to the flock event report)
20:20:26 <croberts> that weekend getting everything back up and running was very hectic
20:20:27 <roshi> mine says "Howdy Mike Ruckman"
20:20:40 <croberts> a typo on my end
20:20:48 <croberts> the good news is the magazine has not crashed yet
20:20:53 <jzb> that is good news
20:21:14 <mitzie> The names can change in WP, but usernames can not
20:21:25 <jzb> any other theme related stuff on magazine we need to cover?
20:21:41 <jzb> I'm actually puzzled as to where the "en" came from.
20:21:44 <mitzie> Could we get a report from fosdem?
20:21:49 <mitzie> In the mag?
20:21:49 <jzb> It also has my name correctly. o.O
20:22:02 <jzb> mitzie: who ran the Fedora table?
20:22:16 <mitzie> Unfortunately I didnt made it to the conference..
20:22:19 <jzb> mitzie: I was in the distro devroom almost all weekend.
20:22:27 <jzb> So I can't really report on FOSDEM generally.
20:22:27 <roshi> I had a question about the magazine's roles as well as an odd issue with wp - but was going to wait til open floor
20:22:36 <croberts> is there anyone we can reach out to get a quick summary of the event?
20:22:53 <mitzie> We could copy one from the planet ;)
20:23:07 <jzb> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2014
20:23:25 <jzb> somebody that got travel funding should have written an event report.
20:23:40 <croberts> thanks jz
20:23:42 <croberts> thanks jzb
20:23:47 <croberts> i will reach out to them
20:23:50 <croberts> and see what we can get
20:23:58 <mitzie> Great Croberts
20:24:18 <jzb> assuming they didn't die of the FOSDEM flu...
20:24:18 <mitzie> So anything else before we move to open floor?
20:24:37 <jzb> mitzie: mattdm's email about low/high bar on marketing
20:24:37 <jzb> ?
20:24:48 <roshi> yeah
20:24:53 <croberts> mitzie or jzb can you forward that email to me
20:24:59 <croberts> cdoberman1984@gmail.com
20:25:03 <croberts> until i get my email working again
20:25:16 <mitzie> Nice email croberts ;)
20:25:22 <croberts> lol
20:25:24 <croberts> thanks
20:25:27 <croberts> its my personal one
20:25:47 <jzb> croberts: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2014-February/015654.html
20:25:51 <jzb> that's the whole thread so far.
20:25:52 <mitzie> Jzb what do you mean? About the fedora next discussion on the list?
20:25:59 <mitzie> Ahh, sorry
20:26:17 <jzb> mitzie: yeah, thread started by mattdm "a fedora.next marketing question"
20:27:22 <mitzie> #topic mattdm's Fedora.next marketing question
20:27:42 <jzb> The question for marketing being whether we should be promoting things outside the three Fedora.Next "products" on the Website, etc.
20:27:59 <mitzie> I never actually understand his question in the first place..
20:28:17 <jzb> mitzie: not to speak for Matt, but here's how I understand it
20:28:29 <mitzie> Low / high bar really confused me :(
20:28:41 <jzb> mitzie: with Fedora 21 we should have three "products" - Cloud, Server, and Workstation
20:29:06 <jzb> mitzie: but we will also still have spins like KDE and Xfce, or other things that don't fit one of those products
20:29:29 <jzb> "high bar" says that for us to promote something, it has to be a product on the same level as one of the tree "products" out of Fedora.Next
20:29:45 <jzb> "low bar" says "if enough Fedora contributors create something (like Xfce spin) then we should promote that."
20:29:59 <jzb> mitzie: does that help?
20:30:03 <roshi> that's how I understood it as well
20:30:07 <roshi> good summary :)
20:30:14 <mitzie> Great, jzb many thanks :)
20:30:36 <mitzie> I'll also make a presentation about fedora.next as an ambassador in fosscomm (the biggest foss event in Greece) and I have to look it further
20:30:51 <mitzie> In May
20:31:00 <jzb> anyway, my take is that we should have space on the Web site to promote things "low bar" but that marketing could be w/in its rights to say "we'll promote it, but the team needs to provide resources to help us."
20:31:33 <mitzie> +1 jzb, I like the idea
20:31:38 <roshi> true
20:32:19 <roshi> but right now we need content - so if the "low bar" projects have more things to say - I would argue we promote that over something stale from a WG
20:32:40 <roshi> (stale meaning old content - not implying the WG's will give us bad content :P )
20:32:41 <jzb> roshi: well, in theory we should be actively seeking things to promote, too...
20:32:46 <roshi> yeah
20:33:12 <jzb> so to me that's sort of the dividing line... we are "responsible" to promote the 3WGs we can help promoting other things.
20:33:31 <jzb> but it requires the other teams to come to us too and say "here's some information, here's what we're doing," etc.
20:33:33 <roshi> that seems fair
20:33:40 <roshi> right
20:33:44 <croberts> \+1 jzb
20:34:26 <roshi> well, I'm going to be following cloud WG activities for QA from here on out - so I can try to keep an eye on things they're working on
20:34:49 <jzb> roshi: groovy.
20:34:55 <roshi> perhaps I can kill two birds with one stone and write up QA summaries that we can post to the magazine
20:35:02 <croberts> +1 roshi
20:35:11 <jzb> roshi: I'm on the WG, so I can help as well. I've been a bit off the grid the last few weeks with FOSDEM, etc.
20:35:25 <roshi> I don't know how often there'd be something to write about - but I can keep an eye out
20:35:30 <roshi> awesome jzb
20:35:38 * roshi is bad at remembering who's on what
20:35:42 <jzb> anyway, that's what I had
20:35:58 <croberts> I would like to get more content flowing to the magazine and this is a perfect start since it seems to be us as contributors
20:36:01 <croberts> us = marketing
20:36:28 <croberts> i promise i will get some posts about the badges
20:36:41 <croberts> i need to look at the reports and will go from there
20:36:43 <roshi> I just need to get better at writing more often - I get nerd-sniped a lot of the time....
20:36:48 <jzb> croberts: who's doing the badges?
20:36:57 <jzb> croberts: we should hit them up for the magazine icons.
20:37:02 <jzb> I <3 our badge artwork
20:37:17 <mitzie> I'm preparing an article on the new openid system of ours
20:37:22 <croberts> very true, i will get with gnocki
20:37:33 <croberts> and see where he is in making the images
20:37:37 <mitzie> Some updates that happend
20:38:02 <croberts> jzb: i was talking about doing posts on who earned the most badges and stuff like that for the week/month
20:38:03 <mitzie> Yeah, we actually have some very cool badges ;)
20:38:15 <croberts> but i agree we need some new artwork for the site
20:38:16 <jzb> croberts: OK, but since the topic came up... :-)
20:38:21 <croberts> true :)
20:39:02 <mitzie> #topic open floor
20:39:30 <roshi> I had a question about roles for the magazine
20:39:47 <mitzie> Yeah roshi
20:39:50 <roshi> I have admin rights - but don't know what our policy is about stuff, so I don't ever change anything
20:39:57 <roshi> do we go by these roles: http://codex.wordpress.org/Roles_and_Capabilities
20:40:09 <jzb> roshi: an example of something you want / need to change?
20:40:40 <roshi> ryanlerch was wanting to write a draft of something for the magazine
20:40:45 <mitzie> We all actually have administrators rights
20:41:15 <roshi> but he's only a 'subscriber,' but not knowing the roles - I didn't know what exactly to do
20:41:31 <jzb> roshi: I'd bump him up to author
20:41:33 <roshi> this was all in fedora-mktg
20:41:46 <roshi> do we have a policy written about that?
20:41:53 <roshi> requirements to be an author and whatnot?
20:42:03 <jzb> roshi: if you're writing content for the site, that would be the requirement, IMHO
20:42:16 <roshi> for sure
20:42:20 <jzb> roshi: if you're editing people's work aside from your own, then you might need editor privs
20:42:34 <roshi> but I didn't know if we preferred people ask for privs in channel or on list
20:42:34 <jzb> roshi: if you have to manage the site in some way, then you should be able to be administrator
20:42:47 <roshi> that makes sense
20:42:53 <croberts> jzb: i can write up a draft for the marketing/magazine wiki page going over the roles if you would like?
20:43:03 * roshi always errs on the side of caution for public facing things
20:43:14 <mitzie> Actually we decided that all new members should have author access and not editor's access. But for ryan we could do something more, he is not a new guy
20:43:29 <jzb> croberts: sure, if you want. I think we've been OK with informalness so far, but if we want rules there that's cool with me.
20:43:59 <roshi> I just didn't see any - and didn't want to overstep my bounds :)
20:44:11 <roshi> informal is fine with me
20:44:11 <jzb> mitzie: is he going to edit other people's work? I mean, I don't think it matters much but ... if he's only writing his own, then editor privileges won't do much good.
20:44:17 <croberts> jzb: we havent really had any
20:44:33 <jzb> roshi: just ask yourself, "what would suehle do?"
20:44:34 <croberts> i think it works because its just a small group of people posting
20:44:38 <mitzie> The default policy is author. If you contribute to the magazine a lot, then you could be promoted to editor
20:44:42 <croberts> ^^
20:44:53 <roshi> that doesn't help me too much because I don't know suehle that well...
20:45:00 <jzb> oh
20:45:00 <roshi> ok, good to know
20:45:10 <mitzie> Sure jzb, it actually doesnt matter
20:45:22 <roshi> I've only been talking with you marketing folks for a couple months :)
20:45:45 <jzb> roshi: I think we really only get into danger zone with admin privileges
20:45:51 <jzb> author / editor can't do much damage.
20:45:57 <roshi> fair enough
20:46:06 <jzb> I mean, I guess someone could publish something "bad" but I don't think we have a problem with that so far.
20:46:35 <croberts> very true if something bad gets posted we can remove it pretty quickly
20:46:46 <roshi> right - which is why I was wondering what the rule/policy/whim was
20:46:47 <mitzie> and it is also safer
20:47:22 <mitzie> Policy for what roshi?
20:47:29 <mitzie> For posting?
20:47:30 <roshi> users and roles
20:47:37 <roshi> my initial question :)
20:49:08 <roshi> I ran into an interesting bug on the site as well - but I can bring that up in #fedora-mktg
20:49:24 <roshi> it's nothing big
20:49:25 <croberts> im here to fix it roshi
20:49:27 <croberts> :)
20:49:34 <mitzie> Ok, bring it here as well ;)
20:49:42 <croberts> but yeah shoot me a message after the meeting in fedora mktg
20:50:01 <roshi> you being here is what I was waiting for croberts
20:50:11 <roshi> when I navigate to Users
20:50:29 <croberts> ah thank you roshi i feel special
20:50:32 <roshi> clicking the ">>" button to go to the end of the list leads to this: http://wp-fedoramag.rhcloud.com/wp-admin/users.php?s&action=-1&new_role&paged=20&action2=-1
20:51:00 <roshi> from here: http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/users.php
20:51:06 <mitzie> Yeah, we had the same problem in the last mag instance, just change the domain to fm.org
20:51:19 <mitzie> Insted the rhcloud one
20:51:23 <croberts> we will get it fixed roshi :)
20:51:30 <croberts> i will squash the bug
20:51:51 <roshi> cool
20:52:26 <croberts> thanks for letting me know :) should have it fixed before the next meeting
20:52:36 <mitzie> For the time beeing roshi you could do what I mentioned ^
20:52:46 <roshi> yeah
20:53:02 <mitzie> Anything else?
20:53:08 * roshi has nothing
20:53:14 * jzb is good.
20:53:14 <mitzie> We should wrap it up..
20:53:18 * croberts is good
20:54:20 <mitzie> Ok, thanks for attending all of you
20:54:33 <croberts> thanks for leading :)
20:54:33 <mitzie> #endmeeting