01:03:45 <award3535_> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:03:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 26 01:03:45 2014 UTC. The chair is award3535_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:03:45 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:04:08 <zodbot> award3535_: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 01:04:31 <dan408---> kind of here 01:04:32 <award3535_> #topic Roll Call 01:04:48 <jsandys> Jeff Ssndys, from my android, commuting 01:04:54 <dan408---> be home in 5 01:05:02 * masta is half here 01:05:22 <award3535_> dan408 cool I just started the meeting please take over when you arrive 01:05:40 <dan408---> ok just wait 5 please 01:06:01 <masta> award3535_: use #chair to let him do so when he gets where he is going 01:06:08 <award3535_> #chair award3535 dan408 masta jsandys rbereron 01:06:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 award3535_ dan408 jsandys masta rbereron 01:06:20 <dan408---> chair dan408- not this one 01:07:34 <award3535_> #chair dan408- masta jsandys rbergeron 01:07:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 award3535_ dan408 dan408- jsandys masta rbereron rbergeron 01:08:04 <award3535_> #topic Announcements 01:08:33 <award3535_> #topic Announcements 01:08:51 <award3535_> anyone have anything for tonight 01:09:18 <masta> nada 01:09:26 <award3535_> dan408 just started the announcements 01:10:18 <masta> now is the time to get your feature ideas into fedora, before the window closes 01:10:59 <jsandys> Fedora 20 featured in Linux Pro magazine. 01:11:17 <award3535_> i dont think there is alot of folks here with us 01:11:35 <award3535_> jsandys i did not see that one, is there a link 01:11:59 <jsandys> Just bought it 01:12:24 <award3535_> I will have to check that one out 01:13:16 <award3535_> anything else from anyone 01:13:50 <award3535_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:14:14 <award3535_> #topic Tickets 01:14:43 <award3535_> .famnaticket 68 01:14:44 <zodbot> award3535_: #68 (FAmNA Meeting Organization) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/68 01:15:03 <award3535_> dan408 will have something on this one 01:15:23 <dan408-> alright 01:15:24 <dan408-> im here 01:15:40 <award3535_> dan408 we are on your ticket 01:15:50 <award3535_> no 68 do you have anything 01:15:50 <dan408-> right 01:16:00 <dan408-> this is actually inode0s ticket 01:16:07 <dan408-> only thing i have is SCREW this meeting time 01:16:17 <dan408-> so 01:16:21 <dan408-> one idea i had 01:16:22 <dan408-> today 01:16:25 <dan408-> literally 5 minutes ago 01:16:29 <dan408-> is lets have TWO meetings 01:16:59 <dan408-> i dont know if that would be counterproductive or what 01:17:23 <dan408-> but I think something like 1PM PST or 12PM PST would be much better 01:17:26 <award3535_> with two meetings we would have to have someone attend both meetings to carry over the other meeting 01:18:15 <award3535_> us east coast folks could not do a 1200pm PST 01:19:10 <dan408-> 12PM PST would work because people can be on their lunch break in PST and attend the meeting.. 3PM EST would work because nobody's trying to rush home from work 01:19:10 <dan408-> right so instead of 2 meetings I propose to move the meetings to 12PM PST 01:19:10 <dan408-> same day 01:19:10 <dan408-> why 01:19:10 <dan408-> it's 3PM 01:19:10 <dan408-> you're not rushing home 01:19:10 <dan408-> you dont have a desk job? 01:19:37 <award3535_> I do not get off from work until 330pm then 50 min drive 01:20:01 <award3535_> my job does not allow chat programs running on their machines 01:20:06 <dan408-> today it was like 100 degrees in the office so i decided to go home. it's pouring outside and everyone forgot how to drive 01:20:08 <award3535_> Government 01:20:20 <nb> hi 01:20:28 <dan408-> im sick of being either stuck at the office until 7pm or rushing home through rush hour traffic to make the meeting 01:20:31 <award3535_> #chair nb 01:20:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 award3535_ dan408 dan408- jsandys masta nb rbereron rbergeron 01:20:38 * nb does NOT want meetings during the day 01:20:40 <nb> i cannot attend 01:20:45 <dan408-> maybe we should just move the meeting to the weekend 01:20:49 <nb> at evening is nice. this time works well 01:21:16 <dan408-> can you please propose something besides this time nb 01:21:25 <award3535_> the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few quoted, we cannot please everyone 01:21:41 <jsandys> Thanks to android I can do almost any time, but prefer evenings PST 01:21:44 <dan408-> yeah but nb is an important member 01:21:46 <nb> have we did a whenisgood or something? 01:21:51 <dan408-> no 01:21:57 <nb> we should try that maybe? 01:22:00 <dan408-> yes 01:22:01 <dan408-> please 01:22:05 <dan408-> im sick of this time 01:22:16 <award3535_> even later is good for me, I can do 10pm est 01:22:23 * nb can do pretty much any time after 4pm GMT-6 (well, GMT-5 during daylight savings time) 01:22:27 <dan408-> that would work better 01:22:30 <nb> except for on sundays and on wednesday evenings 01:22:43 <dan408-> so what im hearing from people is later would be better? 01:22:54 <dan408-> can we agree to that? 01:22:55 <masta> I'd say maybe one hour earlier 01:22:56 <dan408-> im +1 to that 01:22:59 <masta> or the weekend 01:23:02 <award3535_> anything after 430pm est is good for me 01:23:20 <nb> i could do earlier on mondays since i am off on mondays, but i work during the day on saturdays 01:23:23 <award3535_> weekends will have to be in the evening 01:23:49 <dan408-> award3535_ masta how about 2PM PST 01:23:52 <dan408-> nb & 01:23:53 <dan408-> ^ 01:24:02 <dan408-> monday 2pm pst 01:24:13 <nb> what time is pst? 01:24:17 <award3535_> that works for me, it would be 5pm my time 01:24:20 <nb> in relation to UTC? 01:24:27 <dan408-> 9PM GMT 01:24:45 <dan408-> wait no 01:24:53 <dan408-> 10PM GMT 01:24:55 <nb> .localtime vicodan 01:24:56 <zodbot> nb: The current local time of "vicodan" is: "18:24" (timezone: US/Pacific) 01:24:56 <dan408-> right? 01:25:05 <nb> dan408-, so it is 6:24 your PST now? 01:25:08 <dan408-> yup 01:25:19 <nb> so i am 2 hours later, so 4pm local time 01:25:22 <nb> that should generally work 01:25:25 <dan408-> okay 01:25:26 <dan408-> good 01:25:26 <nb> for me i mean 01:25:44 <award3535_> and 5pm works for me 01:25:45 <dan408-> so nb +1, masta (+1?), award3535_ +1, me +1, yes? 01:26:01 <award3535_> what day? 01:26:05 <dan408-> monday 01:26:05 <nb> monday 01:26:17 <dan408-> Monday, 2PM PST, 3PM MST, 4PM CST, 5PM EST 01:26:19 <award3535_> cool definite +1 from me 01:26:29 <dan408-> cool, let's try it next week and see how it goes 01:26:34 <dan408-> i'll send out the notification now 01:26:45 <dan408-> masta: +1 or -1? 01:26:46 <award3535_> okay, wfm 01:27:09 <dan408-> let's just try this out and see what happens 01:27:17 <dan408-> award3535_ you said you had a conf we could use too right? 01:28:03 <award3535_> that was not me, i just liked the idea, I do not have conf call ability 01:28:09 <award3535_> other than joining 01:28:28 <dan408-> err who was that 01:28:36 <nb> dan408-, talk to suehle 01:28:41 <dan408-> okay 01:28:44 <nb> she might could get us able to use a red hat one 01:28:54 <suehle> A RH what? 01:28:58 <masta> dan408-: I'm back... are we voting? 01:29:03 <dan408-> masta: yes 01:29:16 <dan408-> suehle: we were thinking of trying to have the meeting on a conference call 01:29:23 <dan408-> suehle: just to see what happens 01:29:42 <dan408-> masta: how does Monday 4PM CST work? 01:29:45 <suehle> At least for a trial, we could use my bridge. 01:29:48 <masta> dan408-: what am I voting on? 01:29:49 <dan408-> cool 01:29:54 <nb> masta, if that time works for you 01:29:57 * masta looks for an #idea 01:30:02 <dan408-> suehle: cool, could you give us the info? 01:30:14 * masta is still unclear 01:30:14 <dan408-> <dan408-> masta: how does Monday 4PM CST work? 01:30:25 <nb> masta, for changing meeting time 01:30:33 <award3535_> #chair suehle 01:30:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 award3535_ dan408 dan408- jsandys masta nb rbereron rbergeron suehle 01:30:48 <suehle> This coming Monday? One hour earlier than usual (i.e., 8 pm Eastern)? 01:31:08 <dan408-> suehle: 4 hours earlier 01:31:18 <dan408-> err 01:31:18 <dan408-> <dan408-> Monday, 2PM PST, 3PM MST, 4PM CST, 5PM EST 01:31:21 <dan408-> ^^^ 01:31:21 <masta> dan408-: that works for me actually, I'd be willing to give it a try 01:31:31 <masta> so 01:31:31 <dan408-> masta: okay so +1 from you. great! 01:31:32 <masta> +1 01:31:38 <award3535_> +1 01:31:43 <dan408-> +1 01:32:01 <suehle> OK, let me add it to my calendar since I'll have to call in as leader. Hold on. 01:32:09 <dan408-> ok 01:32:14 <masta> I have some reservations, but the balance seems to be positive 01:32:39 <masta> thanks for the vote, hope it helps participation 01:32:55 <masta> (we shall see) 01:32:59 <dan408-> hey we were able to get a consortium 01:33:05 <dan408-> which inode0 said was impossible 01:33:05 <suehle> Call is 1-800-451-8679, conference code 9543115545 01:33:11 <dan408-> okay 01:33:15 <nb> dan408-, you mean consensus/ 01:33:15 <dan408-> im sending an email to the list right now 01:33:15 <nb> ? 01:33:20 <dan408-> yes that's what i meant 01:33:21 <dan408-> thanks 01:33:25 <dan408-> (lol) 01:33:33 <award3535_> #action meeting time chnage Monday 2PM PST 01:34:09 <award3535_> moving on 01:34:22 <award3535_> .famnaticket 72 01:34:23 <zodbot> award3535_: #72 (LFNW 2014 Budget) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/72 01:35:10 <jsandys> Red Hat has a "gold" 10 foot table for $1000. 01:35:11 <award3535_> I think this one is on track from the last meeting 01:35:11 <jsandys> Fedora has a 6 foot "community" table for free. 01:35:11 <jsandys> Fedora can sponsor game night for $1000. 01:35:43 <dan408-> sounds nice 01:35:52 <dan408-> i thought Fedora was going to be a platinum sponsor? 01:36:03 <award3535_> did we decide to do the 1000 in conjunction with RH 01:36:21 <award3535_> I thought we did last couple of meetings 01:36:38 <masta> jsandys: sponsoring gamenight sounds good. 01:36:59 <masta> we should not be free riders, we want to sponsor the event, so +1 game night 01:37:09 <nb> +1 sponsor game night 01:37:17 <jsandys> Ok, I'll work with Joe at RH to get it done 01:37:30 <award3535_> +1 01:37:55 <masta> cool, this event is pretty important ... so lets make sure we support the organizers with $$ as early as possible 01:38:45 <award3535_> #action jsandys to coordinate with Joe (RH) for gamenight 01:38:53 <jsandys> "gold" includes a 1/4 page mad, 4 lunches and 4 LFNW polo shirts. 01:38:54 <jsandys> Fedora should be mentioned in the program as the game night sponsor. 01:39:58 <masta> maybe we can get some playign cards swag to that event 01:40:05 <dan408-> +1 masta 01:40:08 <masta> (game related stuff) 01:41:16 <award3535_> any more on this ticket 01:41:24 <dan408-> no lets move on please 01:41:38 <dan408-> oh 01:41:39 <dan408-> one other thing 01:41:46 <jsandys> We should split the ad, lunches and polos with RH? 01:41:49 <dan408-> regarding the conf call thing 01:42:00 <dan408-> we can use this thing called raidcall 01:42:06 <dan408-> i discovered from playing FFXIV 01:42:14 <dan408-> it's basically the same thing 01:42:36 <award3535_> .famnaticket 73 01:42:37 <zodbot> award3535_: #73 (Fedora T-Shirt design contest) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/73 01:42:45 <masta> oh cool! 01:42:47 <dan408-> everyone download raidcall from raidcall.com.. I'll create a room 01:43:09 <masta> t-shirt design contest would be a neat way to get community involvement 01:43:16 <dan408-> right 01:43:18 <dan408-> this is my ticket 01:43:26 <dan408-> i think we need to create a ticket for the design team 01:43:36 <award3535_> agree 01:43:50 <dan408-> err nm about raidcall. it doesn't work on linux 01:43:55 <dan408-> need to find something like it 01:44:17 <dan408-> so 01:44:25 <dan408-> regarding the tshirt design contest, how are we going to promote this? 01:44:31 <dan408-> is that up to mktg / design to figure out? 01:44:34 <award3535_> how do we submit the designs 01:44:36 <masta> so wait, the design team would conduct the t-shirt contest? 01:45:15 <nb> dan408-, /me suggests we use a normal phone bridge instead of some software based thing 01:45:48 <dan408-> nb: ok, only suggested it because raidcall works great and it has built in text chat too 01:46:19 <dan408-> masta: Ideally, I'd like to get the tshirt design contest on the front page of fedoraproject.org 01:46:31 <dan408-> masta: That would definitely involve the design / mktg / website teams 01:46:43 <award3535_> fromnt page actually is a great idea 01:46:52 <masta> dan408-: that sounds cool. 01:47:17 <dan408-> I think that would be better than spamming the email lists and get submissions from people that may or may not be current contributors, and may get new people interested in the Ambassador program 01:47:19 <masta> who would vote on the designs? 01:47:25 <masta> who chooses 01:47:28 <dan408-> anyone with a FAS account 01:47:37 <masta> do we... or does the whole community 01:47:40 <award3535_> simple voting process 01:47:48 <dan408-> the community chooses 01:48:07 <dan408-> suehle: do you have any thoughts on this? 01:48:26 <masta> ok then this might be a good thing to bring-up with Jaroslav 01:48:36 <suehle> The idea was that we launch it with marketing and design and let the community vote 01:48:50 <suehle> I also had the thought of producing say the top three or something so there was some variety going around. 01:49:05 <award3535_> +1 suehle 01:49:14 <masta> suehle: yea, we should have variety 01:49:24 <dan408-> suehle: So should I put in a ticket for the design team? Also what do you think of running an ad on the frontpage of the website for this? 01:49:25 * nb had an idea for swag..... ovirt has some cool headphones that come in a little pouch that has their logo on it 01:49:35 <nb> but it costs about $6.50 with a 750 piece order I believe 01:49:44 <nb> yeah, thats what suehle told me 01:49:50 * nb had to check 01:50:03 <dan408-> that would be cool swag 01:50:14 <dan408-> what do the pouches look like? 01:50:19 <nb> yes they are nice, i snagged one when we were at the Docs FAD 01:51:18 <masta> cool ... so what are the next steps for the t-shirt thing? 01:51:27 <award3535_> so should we vote to have marketing and design and let the community vote 01:51:28 <dan408-> i'll put in a ticket for design 01:51:42 <masta> dan408-: thank you 01:51:44 <award3535_> thanks dan408 01:52:01 <masta> #action Dan to open ticket with design and/or marketing teams for t-shirt contest 01:52:44 <award3535_> #topic Open Floor 01:53:01 <award3535_> door is open 01:53:01 <masta> dan408-: this will be really cool once it gets going, I'm hopeful we get some great involvement... hopefully even better than the wallpaper thing 01:53:03 <suehle> I can take care of it with the mktg and design teams. I'm good with it going the homepage, I'm just not sure how to go about that. Website team? 01:53:13 <suehle> They're super nice earbuds. I love them. 01:53:18 <nb> yeah 01:53:19 <nb> it would cost $4,925 to get 750 of them, which would be a good chunk of budget 01:53:21 <suehle> OK, or dan. /me is catching up. :D 01:53:24 <award3535_> this sounds exciting and really cool 01:53:46 * nb wonders if we could get smaller quantity or something 01:53:50 <award3535_> good meeting tonight 01:53:57 * masta fades out... 01:54:08 <dan408-> suehle: yep 01:54:17 <nb> what do people think? are earbuds something we would want to look into possibly ordering? 01:54:44 <award3535_> what is the price difference 01:54:54 <dan408-> deisgn team trac ticket created: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/323 01:54:55 <dan408-> suehle ^ 01:55:27 <nb> award3535_, not sure. all the numbers i have is the quantity ovirt ordered and the price they paid 01:55:31 <award3535_> thanks dan408 01:55:32 <dan408-> suehle: since the website and design team are very closely related I'm pretty sure just a design ticket should suffice for now 01:55:42 <nb> which was 750 of them for $6.50 each plus a $50 set up fee 01:55:54 <dan408-> nb: I don't see a problem with it 01:56:20 <dan408-> nb: What about coasters? The ones that British guy had at FUDCon? They were really well done. 01:56:26 <suehle> Generally speaking, fewer would make it more expensive, but if you come up with a quantity, I can ask. 01:56:37 <suehle> I have a quote on coasters as well... I believe they're about $1.15 each. 01:56:42 <nb> dan408-, yeah they were nice 01:56:49 <nb> suehle, what do you think budget-wise? 01:56:54 <dan408-> +1 on coasters 01:56:58 <dramsey> +1 01:57:00 <nb> last year Q1 we didn't spend about 4k of NA's budget 01:57:12 <suehle> Did NA ever come up with an intended budget for the year? The total Fedora budget is the same as last year. 01:57:39 <nb> personally, i like the idea of ear buds better than coasters, but i agree the UK coasters were nice 01:57:41 <award3535_> Hmm, i dont remember seeing anything on that 01:57:48 <dan408-> no, we talked about a "treasurer" but that's about it 01:58:03 <dan408-> maybe we should create a ticket to remind ourselves to talk about it next week 01:58:05 <nb> suehle, afaik it came down to NA saying FAmSCo didn't ask us for one so we didn't make one 01:58:08 <award3535_> I volunteered for that position also 01:58:22 <award3535_> treasurer 01:58:25 <nb> but i would assume our intended budget would be similar to last year? 01:58:25 <award3535_> that is 01:58:26 <nb> but not sure 01:59:22 <award3535_> but heard nothing else, still willing to track the funds.... 02:00:06 <award3535_> should a ticket be created for swag requests? 02:00:08 <dan408-> so should we create a ticket for budget? 02:00:21 <dan408-> here 02:00:24 <dan408-> i'll create one 02:00:28 <dan408-> otherwise we'll forget 02:01:02 <award3535_> thank you dan408 02:01:43 <award3535_> does nayone else have anything before closing 02:01:47 <dan408-> ticket created https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/74 02:01:53 <dan408-> um 02:02:12 <dan408-> should we create a ticket for swag ideas? (headphones and coasters?) 02:02:33 <award3535_> hmm i just asked that question 02:02:37 <dan408-> you know what, yes. let's just have a ticket for swag. and what we plan to spend money on this year 02:02:49 <award3535_> i agree or well forget it 02:02:57 <dan408-> we should be able to get through tickets quicker on a conference call 02:03:44 <dan408-> so 02:03:50 <award3535_> yes agree on the conf call being quicker 02:03:53 <dan408-> real quick 02:04:09 <dan408-> does anyone remember if we are still having playing cards made? suehle nb 02:04:38 <suehle> Still as in again or still you didn't know about the first ones? 02:04:44 <award3535_> nothing in stone 02:05:28 <dan408-> suehle: still as in do we have a supply, i know about the first ones but do we have a good supply or should we budget to order more 02:05:44 <suehle> If we do, just a few. I think we got rid of most of them at Flock? 02:05:51 <dan408-> sounds right. 02:05:56 <dan408-> https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/75 <-- ticket for swag 02:05:56 <nb> i think they gave them away at flock 02:06:36 <award3535_> we are out of time folks 02:06:46 <dan408-> so for new (or reoder) swag i put in 1) headphones, 2) coasters 3) playing cards 4) new tshirts (pending design contest) 02:07:02 <award3535_> that sounds about right 02:07:23 <dan408-> so we can discuss the swag ticket after the budget ticket and it should be a nobrainer 02:07:38 <award3535_> sounds good 02:08:16 <dan408-> k 02:08:17 <dan408-> im good 02:08:41 <award3535_> ok anything before i close the meeting 02:08:47 <dan408-> uh 02:08:49 <dan408-> one last thing 02:08:54 <award3535_> go 02:09:08 <dan408-> does anyone know if #fedora-meeting is taken on Monday at 2PM/5PM? 02:09:12 <dan408-> we might need to move to #fedora-meeting-1 02:09:22 * dan408- checks 02:10:10 <award3535_> the meeting page shows nothing on monday 02:10:20 <dan408-> hmm we should be good 02:10:21 <dan408-> yes 02:10:22 <dan408-> cool 02:10:32 <dan408-> i'll update the wiki 02:10:35 <dan408-> cool im done! 02:10:50 <award3535_> thank you all for attending good meeting tonight 02:10:56 <award3535_> .endmeeting 02:10:59 <jsandys> Robyn, nice article on Fedora next. 02:11:16 <award3535_> #endmeeting