14:02:33 <pknirsch> #startmeeting Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-04-04) 14:02:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 4 14:02:33 2014 UTC. The chair is pknirsch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:33 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:02:39 <pknirsch> #meetingname Fedora Base Design Working Group 14:02:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_base_design_working_group' 14:03:14 <pknirsch> hello and welcome everyone 14:04:20 <pknirsch> #topic role call 14:04:34 <pknirsch> So let's see who's here today 14:04:45 <pknirsch> jwb already sent an email he couldn't make it today 14:05:22 * jsmith lurks 14:14:23 <philwyett> pknirsch: Your early. This meeting is supposed to be starting in 45 mins if at 1500 UTC / if the devel mailing list mails are correct. ;-) 14:14:32 <pknirsch> ohhh 14:14:35 <pknirsch> shoot :) 14:15:03 * pknirsch remembers that we now have daylight saving time in EU as well 14:15:06 <pknirsch> thankds philwyett 14:15:16 <pknirsch> #abortmeeting 14:15:18 <pknirsch> hm 14:15:30 <pknirsch> #help 15:02:09 <pknirsch> alright, lets try again :) 15:02:17 <pknirsch> hello and welcome everyone 15:02:38 <pknirsch> i kinda missed we have daylight savings time in EU now as well, so here we go with the Base WG meeting today 15:02:47 <pknirsch> Role call is still on, so who we got today? 15:03:06 <pknirsch> and apologies for sending out the agenda so late, just came back from PTO a few days ago 15:13:38 <notting> apologies for being late today 15:13:47 <pknirsch> no worries, you're the first! :) 15:14:04 <pknirsch> i sent out the agenda pretty late today, so my fault really 15:16:23 <pknirsch> jwb already said he won't be able to make it anyway, too. 15:17:36 <pknirsch> we might as well just skip it then for today and discuss the 2 topics on the ML i suppose 15:23:11 <notting> ok 15:25:17 <Viking-Ice> is there anything to discuss one looks like a feature request that needs to be driven with an owner and the other topic seems to be entirely out of scope for the baseWG 15:26:01 <pknirsch> right 15:29:19 <Viking-Ice> it's not enough for the baseWG to be assigned the task of cleaning up the baseWG someone actually has to do that work 15:30:06 <Viking-Ice> ( and by actual I mean not creating empty bug reports on components and ask maintainers to clean things up ) 15:31:24 <Viking-Ice> not providing patches ends up like this 15:32:32 <Viking-Ice> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ServicesPrivateTmp <-- feature flagged 100% done while in reality <--> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=782466 still 10 open bugs 15:33:38 <Viking-Ice> And I would say there are 99% chances this feature --> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PrivateDevicesAndPrivateNetwork <-- goes the same way 15:36:17 <Viking-Ice> and trust me there is enough to cleanup in the core/base ( obsoleting component/fixing/updating spec files to the 21 century etc ) 15:38:57 <Viking-Ice> so what's the verdic is the base WG willing to accept the role,responsibility and the *work* that comes with accepting it? 15:39:47 <pknirsch> thats something we need to discuss, thats why those topics are on the agenda. and if we feel we don't have the manpower to do it then the answer is pretty obvious 15:43:02 <Viking-Ice> well as things stand now there is no way to count baseWG members other then those that are running it 15:43:56 <Viking-Ice> I myself am neck deep in systemd integration and $dayjob 15:44:49 <pknirsch> thats the same reason the tasks i have on my plate for WG are stalled atm as well as my other work here keeps me from working on those i took on for Base 15:45:11 <Viking-Ice> with 5 components being added to look at after timer units gained anacron like behavior ( which makes ca 40 timers on top of 100 components being left to migrate to native systemd service units ) 15:46:48 <Viking-Ice> and I should mention I have to go through those 600 - 800 components containing service units with an cleanup process and preps for containers 15:47:38 <Viking-Ice> close to 1000 manhours 15:48:41 <Viking-Ice> then the systemd integration into Fedora should officially being done 15:49:04 <Viking-Ice> no wait lol type network units are left ;) 15:49:15 <pknirsch> ^^ 15:51:47 <pknirsch> ups, official meeting notes are still running. 15:51:50 <pknirsch> #endmeeting