14:00:45 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:00:45 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:00:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:00:46 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:00:56 * Sparks 
14:01:11 <randomuser> morning, Sparks
14:01:13 * jjmcd is on an SEOC briefing, *AGAIN*, so only kinda here.  Hopefully today's will be short.
14:01:30 * rkratky is here
14:01:30 * pkovar is here
14:02:50 * pbokoc is here
14:04:21 * randomuser calls the roll tasty, moves on
14:04:28 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:04:49 <randomuser> okay, new folks, here's your chance to be the center of attention
14:06:07 <randomuser> no takers? rkratky, you're relatively new, how's it going?
14:06:54 <rkratky> randomuser, fine. signed up for a beat, reading the docs
14:07:09 <randomuser> awesome
14:07:28 <randomuser> rkratky, any suggestions for improving the meta-documentation?
14:08:47 <rkratky> randomuser, well, i might have some later on. i've aleady pulled the guide for new writers and tarted to fix typos, at least.
14:09:03 <rkratky> heh... started...
14:09:41 <randomuser> hehe
14:10:14 <randomuser> and you've got commit privs, so we're all good there
14:10:31 <randomuser> glad to have you onboard
14:10:58 <randomuser> #topic publican & publishing
14:11:49 <randomuser> I worked a little on the ansible definition for the box - it was mostly all there already, but needed adaptation from my local environment to the production fedora environment
14:12:55 <randomuser> this week, i will either need to get fedwatch scripts ( the part that makes the backend update automatically after a koji build) from jsmith, or stop being so lazy and improve the existing ones
14:13:56 * mpduty apologises for joining late
14:14:55 <randomuser> no worries, mpduty
14:15:17 <randomuser> i think that's EOF on publishing for today
14:15:31 <mpduty> I see
14:15:38 <randomuser> mpduty, you just missed the new writer check-in bit - anything to add from you?
14:15:53 <randomuser> have you found something to write about?
14:16:13 <mpduty> no, I'm still trying with that beat writing on Fedora Live
14:16:27 * randomuser facepalms
14:16:29 <randomuser> oh, right
14:17:07 <mpduty> actually its a bit difficult to figure out what are the changes
14:17:32 <mpduty> I shall put them on the wiki page as I understand and shall work according to the suggestions
14:17:51 <randomuser> fwiw, we'll put a link to instructions on creating media somewhere in the introductory sections
14:18:53 * lnovich enters the room
14:19:21 <lnovich> hi everyone - did I miss anything?
14:19:26 <randomuser> mpduty, https://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts.git is a start
14:19:49 <mpduty> thanks
14:19:53 <randomuser> if nothing else, there's names of people you can talk to in the logs
14:20:28 <randomuser> we can talk more in #fedora-docs or on the list
14:20:44 <mpduty> oh yes
14:21:00 <randomuser> oh, i should info my earlier statements
14:21:14 <randomuser> #info I worked a little on the ansible definition for the box - it was mostly all there already, but needed adaptation from my local environment to the production fedora environment
14:21:23 <randomuser> #info this week, i will either need to get fedwatch scripts ( the part that makes the backend update automatically after a koji build) from jsmith, or stop being so lazy and improve the existing ones
14:21:26 <randomuser> #topic fedora.next product updates
14:21:57 <randomuser> news from Workstation: someone on the desktop mailing list suggested that someone should update the list of packages they would like to ship
14:22:09 <randomuser> zoglesby is out, jsmith ?
14:22:24 <jsmith> randomuser: Sorry, was out last week, so nothing new to report
14:22:45 <randomuser> ok
14:23:06 <randomuser> there's a lot going on in cloud these days, it seems
14:23:19 <randomuser> at least, they're good about being visible
14:24:01 <lnovich> any word about Docker?
14:24:17 <randomuser> i can think of a word about docker!
14:24:37 <randomuser> umm.. i think they're working on a docker host image
14:24:38 <lnovich> be nice randomuser
14:24:45 <randomuser> :P
14:25:18 <lnovich> if not handled properly, Docker will be a whale of a problem! :)
14:25:31 <Sparks> lnovich: too late
14:26:15 <randomuser> I don't know how/if we're handling docker
14:26:34 <Sparks> randomuser: One does not handle Docker... Docker handles you
14:26:41 <randomuser> seems like it would go in the cloud space?
14:27:06 <Sparks> randomuser: Not just cloud
14:27:11 <randomuser> Sparks, in some places, docker _is_ the handle
14:27:54 <randomuser> I'm not personally interested in covering docker
14:28:26 <randomuser> not saying it shouldn't be done, of course, but I want to spend my time on not-docker things
14:29:55 <randomuser> and since noone is really speaking up to claim it, we'll move on for now
14:30:07 <randomuser> lnovich, maybe add docker to the tasks wiki page?
14:30:56 <lnovich> question is - will it be handled amongst all (desktop/server/cloud) or will it have its own guide?
14:30:56 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project_tasks?rd=Docs_Project_tasks ?
14:31:18 <randomuser> lnovich, the answer is - there is nobody committed to write anything about docker right now
14:31:38 <lnovich> there may be a lot that they have that we can use
14:31:52 <lnovich> and then we can just give the integration instructions
14:32:47 <randomuser> if someone writes something, we can stuff it in the cookbook if it doesn't appear to fit anywhere else
14:34:42 <randomuser> #info docker writers wanted!
14:34:52 <lnovich> i will see if i can get a noob to take this one
14:35:05 <randomuser> #topic guide status
14:35:21 <randomuser> any guide news this week?
14:35:38 <randomuser> things you have done or have made plans to do with your guide?
14:37:09 * zoglesby is waiting for more info to work on server guide
14:37:34 <randomuser> oh, that reminds me zoglesby, i was going to try and push kickstart publishing onto their meeting agenda
14:38:19 <zoglesby> randomuser: sounds good
14:38:37 <randomuser> not sure if I can make the meeting, but I think it's a good idea anyway
14:39:00 <zoglesby> randomuser: i may not be there tomorrow either
14:39:05 <Capesteve> sorry I am late. I have been working hard and have lots of updates to commit. Hope to do that next month.
14:39:29 <randomuser> ^^ quick, someone get that man a beer!
14:40:32 <Capesteve> {Red Wine is also acceptable }
14:40:45 <randomuser> heh
14:41:03 * zoglesby runs off again
14:42:22 <randomuser> lnovich, no news from you?
14:43:14 <randomuser> has the EMEA office hours thing happened at all, btw?
14:43:58 <lnovich> before vacation i did office hours
14:44:09 <lnovich> and now I am back i will resume on Sunday this week
14:44:17 <randomuser> cool
14:44:32 <randomuser> that's 1300UTC sundays, right?
14:44:48 <lnovich> I wanted to know am I supposed to make an announcement - send an email or something?
14:44:55 <lnovich> or just be around
14:44:57 <randomuser> can't hurt
14:45:44 <randomuser> lnovich, I added the Americas office hours to the docs thing in fedocal, it sends a reminder automatically
14:45:49 <randomuser> and you get a badge!
14:46:06 <lnovich> how do i do that?
14:46:23 <lnovich> as I am not getting a reminder
14:46:32 <randomuser> log in to https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/
14:46:51 <randomuser> select a calendar, use the menu on the bottom of the left margin
14:47:35 <randomuser> actually, the americas one might be in events instead of docs - so if someone wants to move that, and get the calendaring badge, they are welcome to
14:48:09 <randomuser> i want to get in a bit about bugs while we have the time
14:48:22 <randomuser> #topic outstanding bug list
14:48:30 <randomuser> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&classification=Fedora&list_id=2432442&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&product=Fedora%20Documentation&query_based_on=&query_format=advanced
14:48:40 <randomuser> ...and that's why we use the tinyurl, i guess
14:48:45 <Sparks> yes
14:49:02 <randomuser> that URL is as long as our list of outstanding bugs, relatively
14:49:12 <randomuser> meaning, there are a *lot* of outstanding bugs
14:49:41 <randomuser> someone came in to #fedora-docs and said.. let's see
14:49:58 <randomuser> " I'm sorry for tone of it, but looking at state of documentation, and then looking at documentation bugzilla, gives an impression that it's a part of Fedora that's not supported well.."
14:50:45 <randomuser> which was a little embarrassing
14:51:14 <randomuser> so, I'm going to make a conscious effort to work on at least one bug each week
14:51:35 <pbokoc> yeah, well, they're not wrong
14:52:03 <pbokoc> for me, the issue is that I can't really find time to work on anything specific to Fedora, I'm crazy busy
14:52:16 <randomuser> I said something that rhymes with 'you should help if you don't like it'
14:52:27 <pbokoc> and I can't simply cherry-pick stuff from RHEL to Fedora, because the books are too divergent now
14:52:53 <pbokoc> and I don't really want to fix small issues in the Fedora book, because I know that I'll be updating the whole thing once I'm done with RHEL anyway :I
14:53:04 <randomuser> that divergence sounds serious, pbokoc
14:53:34 <pbokoc> well, yeah, I cut the number of files in half
14:53:35 <lnovich> i know this is a question no one wants to answer - but has the docs that were published over FAD been moved to the website?
14:53:46 <Sparks> pbokoc: That's why it's generally better to work on Fedora stuff first since it's upstream to RHEL
14:54:01 <pbokoc> Sparks, I know, but this time it wasn't really feasible :)
14:54:14 <Sparks> lnovich: Aren't we still waiting for the new website?
14:54:14 <randomuser> lnovich, i don't understand the question - how can they be published but not to the website?
14:54:28 <lnovich> i am asking as I know there are some BZs that I fixed - how can I prove they are if I can't see the output
14:54:33 <Capesteve> pbokoc: You can reduce the divergence
14:55:25 <pbokoc> Capesteve, I can eliminate it almost completely, but I need to finish the RHEL version first :)
14:55:39 <randomuser> lnovich, cite the commit log, bonus points as a link to cgit; set to qa and ask for review preferably, or just closed:nextrelease
14:56:17 <lnovich> thanks randomuser
14:57:37 <randomuser> pbokoc, share your rhel git repo and I'll help :)
14:57:52 <pbokoc> :)
14:58:13 <randomuser> just a few minutes left
14:58:19 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
14:58:34 <lnovich> Has everyone voted for a Flock talk?
14:58:37 <randomuser> I know how you all love open floor, didn't want to skip it
14:58:45 <randomuser> lnovich, the list was overwhelming
14:58:51 <pbokoc> yeah, it really was
14:58:57 <lnovich> Just pick MINE!!!
14:59:00 <randomuser> i started reading it and ran away
14:59:05 <lnovich> forget the rest
14:59:07 <randomuser> arms flailing
14:59:16 <lnovich> no pressure!
14:59:22 <pbokoc> I just put high priority on everything that said something about "docs" or "games"
14:59:32 <lnovich> I am working on something that is quite cool
14:59:44 <lnovich> this wasn't presented as either
15:00:05 <lnovich> I am presenting my new mobile application
15:00:24 <lnovich> which is currently under development
15:00:36 <Sparks> TIME
15:00:42 <randomuser> time.
15:00:45 <lnovich> thanks everyone!
15:00:51 <randomuser> thanks for coming, everyone, see you around
15:00:52 <randomuser> #endmeeting