14:00:45 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:00:45 Meeting started Mon Apr 28 14:00:45 2014 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:45 #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:00:45 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:00:46 #topic Roll Call 14:00:56 * Sparks 14:01:11 morning, Sparks 14:01:13 * jjmcd is on an SEOC briefing, *AGAIN*, so only kinda here. Hopefully today's will be short. 14:01:30 * rkratky is here 14:01:30 * pkovar is here 14:02:50 * pbokoc is here 14:04:21 * randomuser calls the roll tasty, moves on 14:04:28 #topic New Writers 14:04:49 okay, new folks, here's your chance to be the center of attention 14:06:07 no takers? rkratky, you're relatively new, how's it going? 14:06:54 randomuser, fine. signed up for a beat, reading the docs 14:07:09 awesome 14:07:28 rkratky, any suggestions for improving the meta-documentation? 14:08:47 randomuser, well, i might have some later on. i've aleady pulled the guide for new writers and tarted to fix typos, at least. 14:09:03 heh... started... 14:09:41 hehe 14:10:14 and you've got commit privs, so we're all good there 14:10:31 glad to have you onboard 14:10:58 #topic publican & publishing 14:11:49 I worked a little on the ansible definition for the box - it was mostly all there already, but needed adaptation from my local environment to the production fedora environment 14:12:55 this week, i will either need to get fedwatch scripts ( the part that makes the backend update automatically after a koji build) from jsmith, or stop being so lazy and improve the existing ones 14:13:56 * mpduty apologises for joining late 14:14:55 no worries, mpduty 14:15:17 i think that's EOF on publishing for today 14:15:31 I see 14:15:38 mpduty, you just missed the new writer check-in bit - anything to add from you? 14:15:53 have you found something to write about? 14:16:13 no, I'm still trying with that beat writing on Fedora Live 14:16:27 * randomuser facepalms 14:16:29 oh, right 14:17:07 actually its a bit difficult to figure out what are the changes 14:17:32 I shall put them on the wiki page as I understand and shall work according to the suggestions 14:17:51 fwiw, we'll put a link to instructions on creating media somewhere in the introductory sections 14:18:53 * lnovich enters the room 14:19:21 hi everyone - did I miss anything? 14:19:26 mpduty, https://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts.git is a start 14:19:49 thanks 14:19:53 if nothing else, there's names of people you can talk to in the logs 14:20:28 we can talk more in #fedora-docs or on the list 14:20:44 oh yes 14:21:00 oh, i should info my earlier statements 14:21:14 #info I worked a little on the ansible definition for the box - it was mostly all there already, but needed adaptation from my local environment to the production fedora environment 14:21:23 #info this week, i will either need to get fedwatch scripts ( the part that makes the backend update automatically after a koji build) from jsmith, or stop being so lazy and improve the existing ones 14:21:26 #topic fedora.next product updates 14:21:57 news from Workstation: someone on the desktop mailing list suggested that someone should update the list of packages they would like to ship 14:22:09 zoglesby is out, jsmith ? 14:22:24 randomuser: Sorry, was out last week, so nothing new to report 14:22:45 ok 14:23:06 there's a lot going on in cloud these days, it seems 14:23:19 at least, they're good about being visible 14:24:01 any word about Docker? 14:24:17 i can think of a word about docker! 14:24:37 umm.. i think they're working on a docker host image 14:24:38 be nice randomuser 14:24:45 :P 14:25:18 if not handled properly, Docker will be a whale of a problem! :) 14:25:31 lnovich: too late 14:26:15 I don't know how/if we're handling docker 14:26:34 randomuser: One does not handle Docker... Docker handles you 14:26:41 seems like it would go in the cloud space? 14:27:06 randomuser: Not just cloud 14:27:11 Sparks, in some places, docker _is_ the handle 14:27:54 I'm not personally interested in covering docker 14:28:26 not saying it shouldn't be done, of course, but I want to spend my time on not-docker things 14:29:55 and since noone is really speaking up to claim it, we'll move on for now 14:30:07 lnovich, maybe add docker to the tasks wiki page? 14:30:56 question is - will it be handled amongst all (desktop/server/cloud) or will it have its own guide? 14:30:56 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project_tasks?rd=Docs_Project_tasks ? 14:31:18 lnovich, the answer is - there is nobody committed to write anything about docker right now 14:31:38 there may be a lot that they have that we can use 14:31:52 and then we can just give the integration instructions 14:32:47 if someone writes something, we can stuff it in the cookbook if it doesn't appear to fit anywhere else 14:34:42 #info docker writers wanted! 14:34:52 i will see if i can get a noob to take this one 14:35:05 #topic guide status 14:35:21 any guide news this week? 14:35:38 things you have done or have made plans to do with your guide? 14:37:09 * zoglesby is waiting for more info to work on server guide 14:37:34 oh, that reminds me zoglesby, i was going to try and push kickstart publishing onto their meeting agenda 14:38:19 randomuser: sounds good 14:38:37 not sure if I can make the meeting, but I think it's a good idea anyway 14:39:00 randomuser: i may not be there tomorrow either 14:39:05 sorry I am late. I have been working hard and have lots of updates to commit. Hope to do that next month. 14:39:29 ^^ quick, someone get that man a beer! 14:40:32 {Red Wine is also acceptable } 14:40:45 heh 14:41:03 * zoglesby runs off again 14:42:22 lnovich, no news from you? 14:43:14 has the EMEA office hours thing happened at all, btw? 14:43:58 before vacation i did office hours 14:44:09 and now I am back i will resume on Sunday this week 14:44:17 cool 14:44:32 that's 1300UTC sundays, right? 14:44:48 I wanted to know am I supposed to make an announcement - send an email or something? 14:44:55 or just be around 14:44:57 can't hurt 14:45:44 lnovich, I added the Americas office hours to the docs thing in fedocal, it sends a reminder automatically 14:45:49 and you get a badge! 14:46:06 how do i do that? 14:46:23 as I am not getting a reminder 14:46:32 log in to https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/ 14:46:51 select a calendar, use the menu on the bottom of the left margin 14:47:35 actually, the americas one might be in events instead of docs - so if someone wants to move that, and get the calendaring badge, they are welcome to 14:48:09 i want to get in a bit about bugs while we have the time 14:48:22 #topic outstanding bug list 14:48:30 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&classification=Fedora&list_id=2432442&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&product=Fedora%20Documentation&query_based_on=&query_format=advanced 14:48:40 ...and that's why we use the tinyurl, i guess 14:48:45 yes 14:49:02 that URL is as long as our list of outstanding bugs, relatively 14:49:12 meaning, there are a *lot* of outstanding bugs 14:49:41 someone came in to #fedora-docs and said.. let's see 14:49:58 " I'm sorry for tone of it, but looking at state of documentation, and then looking at documentation bugzilla, gives an impression that it's a part of Fedora that's not supported well.." 14:50:45 which was a little embarrassing 14:51:14 so, I'm going to make a conscious effort to work on at least one bug each week 14:51:35 yeah, well, they're not wrong 14:52:03 for me, the issue is that I can't really find time to work on anything specific to Fedora, I'm crazy busy 14:52:16 I said something that rhymes with 'you should help if you don't like it' 14:52:27 and I can't simply cherry-pick stuff from RHEL to Fedora, because the books are too divergent now 14:52:53 and I don't really want to fix small issues in the Fedora book, because I know that I'll be updating the whole thing once I'm done with RHEL anyway :I 14:53:04 that divergence sounds serious, pbokoc 14:53:34 well, yeah, I cut the number of files in half 14:53:35 i know this is a question no one wants to answer - but has the docs that were published over FAD been moved to the website? 14:53:46 pbokoc: That's why it's generally better to work on Fedora stuff first since it's upstream to RHEL 14:54:01 Sparks, I know, but this time it wasn't really feasible :) 14:54:14 lnovich: Aren't we still waiting for the new website? 14:54:14 lnovich, i don't understand the question - how can they be published but not to the website? 14:54:28 i am asking as I know there are some BZs that I fixed - how can I prove they are if I can't see the output 14:54:33 pbokoc: You can reduce the divergence 14:55:25 Capesteve, I can eliminate it almost completely, but I need to finish the RHEL version first :) 14:55:39 lnovich, cite the commit log, bonus points as a link to cgit; set to qa and ask for review preferably, or just closed:nextrelease 14:56:17 thanks randomuser 14:57:37 pbokoc, share your rhel git repo and I'll help :) 14:57:52 :) 14:58:13 just a few minutes left 14:58:19 #topic Open Floor 14:58:34 Has everyone voted for a Flock talk? 14:58:37 I know how you all love open floor, didn't want to skip it 14:58:45 lnovich, the list was overwhelming 14:58:51 yeah, it really was 14:58:57 Just pick MINE!!! 14:59:00 i started reading it and ran away 14:59:05 forget the rest 14:59:07 arms flailing 14:59:16 no pressure! 14:59:22 I just put high priority on everything that said something about "docs" or "games" 14:59:32 I am working on something that is quite cool 14:59:44 this wasn't presented as either 15:00:05 I am presenting my new mobile application 15:00:24 which is currently under development 15:00:36 TIME 15:00:42 time. 15:00:45 thanks everyone! 15:00:51 thanks for coming, everyone, see you around 15:00:52 #endmeeting