15:00:24 <pknirsch> #startmeeting Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-05-16)
15:00:24 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May 16 15:00:24 2014 UTC.  The chair is pknirsch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:00:24 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
15:00:31 <pknirsch> #meetingname  Fedora Base Design Working Group
15:00:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_base_design_working_group'
15:00:51 <pknirsch> Hello and welcome everyone. I hope i've sent out the invitation and agenda early enough this week. :)
15:01:30 <pknirsch> Most likely going to be a semi short meeting and i'm having to jump between this and another IRC meeting at the same time, so apologies for potentially slower responses from me today
15:01:37 <pknirsch> So who we got today?
15:01:41 <jwb> hi
15:01:51 <pknirsch> heya jwb :)
15:01:55 <pknirsch> #chair jwb
15:01:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwb pknirsch
15:02:48 <pknirsch> masta already said he'd have to leave early today, but as i said.
15:03:30 <pknirsch> ok, lets check for the others. notting, haraldh, dgilmore, jreznik, you guys ready?
15:03:34 <notting> yep
15:03:36 <haraldh> <-
15:03:38 <pknirsch> okiedokie
15:03:46 <pknirsch> #chair notting haraldh
15:03:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: haraldh jwb notting pknirsch
15:04:05 <jreznik> hi guys
15:04:19 <pknirsch> #chair jreznik
15:04:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: haraldh jreznik jwb notting pknirsch
15:04:26 * jreznik has to leave in 30 minutes
15:04:42 <pknirsch> oki, great. so first and only agenda topic for today was an update on the merge reviews
15:04:51 <pknirsch> #topic Follow up / status update merge reviews
15:04:59 <pknirsch> i think jreznik and dgilmore wanted to take a look at that
15:06:04 <jreznik> pknirsch: dgilmore is planning fad to do it, there's also a question of reusing this fad for initial reviews for ruby software collection
15:06:33 <jreznik> last time I talked with Dennis, he was preparing email but not sure how far the planning is
15:06:52 <pknirsch> hm, alright
15:07:58 <pknirsch> so lets mark that as still in progress
15:08:25 <pknirsch> #info Still in progress. Also might want to reuse it for initial reviews for Ruby software collections
15:09:40 <pknirsch> alright, next up was open floor
15:09:47 <pknirsch> #topic Open floor
15:09:54 <pknirsch> so i got a a few tidbits here to share
15:10:42 <pknirsch> As we have a few tasks ahead of us, partially in rel-eng work and in our cleanup work, i've been looking around and asking for help.
15:11:06 <pknirsch> And hopefully (crossing my fingers) we might get a few people being able to actively work on those things.
15:11:30 <pknirsch> That way we'd finally be able to actually DO something. :)
15:12:53 <pknirsch> but i'll give more info in the weeks to come
15:13:21 <jreznik> cool, it's always good to have more hands to help, not just chat here :)
15:13:41 <pknirsch> I know dgilmore already put together a great list of tasks for rel-eng over the next months, and together with the task list for the cleanup we already got some good concrete work to help with
15:13:45 <pknirsch> exactly
15:14:22 <pknirsch> I would have loved to be more technically active myself, but running 5 large projects at the same time kinda limits my spare time to do so :(
15:15:53 <pknirsch> The other thing was that masta already started looking at some of the cleanup himself, but he's also doing it between his other tasks, so understandably slow progress there, too.
15:16:10 <pknirsch> Thats why i really wanted to get some more dedicated and active hands to help on it.
15:16:53 <pknirsch> But thats all the news from my side. Anything else from anyone else?
15:17:30 <pknirsch> #info pknirsch trying to organize more help for the current tasks to help progress
15:17:31 <jreznik> I don't have anything, all system wide changes already went through fesco
15:17:42 <pknirsch> nice :)
15:17:56 <haraldh> This is my dream "base" system :-) https://plus.google.com/108087225644395745666/posts/DDfpW6aFzkU
15:18:00 <pknirsch> Anything else we need to be aware of from the other WGs?
15:18:13 <jreznik> so I'm going to prepare overall list of how f21 is going to look like
15:18:28 <jreznik> ongoing task is still to collect all deliverables for all products
15:18:55 <jwb> haraldh, that would preclude a lot of existing setups
15:18:59 <jwb> it's neat though
15:19:07 <jreznik> btw. I won't be able to visit next two meetings - on Friday, there's FUDCon APAC and next one, we'll going to take a few days off in China
15:19:24 <pknirsch> alright thanks for the heads up jreznik
15:19:31 <pknirsch> haraldh: looks neat!
15:19:51 <haraldh> yeah :) maybe someday we can package "base" in a small disk image
15:20:00 <haraldh> and call it actually "base"
15:20:05 <haraldh> or... CoreOS :)
15:20:39 <pknirsch> :)
15:21:39 <haraldh> Install  17 Packages (+135 Dependent packages)
15:22:09 <haraldh> Install  1 Package (+3 Dependent packages)
15:22:15 <pknirsch> mhm
15:22:23 <pknirsch> thats not a whole lot anymore :)
15:22:31 <haraldh> \o/
15:22:59 <haraldh> including network
15:24:57 <haraldh> "trousers" ... seems like Fedora _has_ to be dressed :)
15:25:06 <pknirsch> Alright. If there is nothing else, lets close for today and call it a quick meeting.
15:25:08 <pknirsch> heheheh
15:25:32 <pknirsch> any chance we can get rid of python? i remember there was an effort by mattdm to do so iirc.
15:26:03 <haraldh> hmm, something is pulling it in..
15:26:05 <jreznik> yeah, time to go - the first meeting of our new openalt organization :) merger of two open source group I was active in
15:26:07 * pknirsch recalls a list of just a handful of packages in the Core that needed python
15:26:09 <haraldh> yum-metadata-parser.x86_64 0:1.1.4-11.fc21
15:26:18 <pknirsch> ah right
15:26:20 <pknirsch> yum
15:26:32 <haraldh> yeah, but it seems only this package of yum
15:26:34 <haraldh> is pulled in
15:27:42 <haraldh> --> Processing Dependency: yum-metadata-parser >= 1.1.0 for package: yum-3.4.3-146.fc21.noarch
15:27:45 <haraldh> ah, ok
15:27:52 <haraldh> --> Processing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.7 for package: yum-3.4.3-146.fc21.noarch
15:27:59 <mattdm> ftr we are looking at leaving python out of our Fedora Atomic spin
15:28:10 <mattdm> since it's ostree based and yum doesn't work anyway
15:28:39 <mattdm> we'll need (and probably want) it on the more generic "cloud base" image for a long time.
15:32:08 <pknirsch> alright
15:32:13 <pknirsch> thanks for the clarification mattdm
15:35:42 <pknirsch> ok, with that, thanks everyone!
15:36:06 <pknirsch> have a great weekend and we'll talk next week again.
15:36:08 <pknirsch> o/
15:36:15 <notting> thanks all
15:38:52 <pknirsch> #endmeeting