14:00:34 <randomuser> #startmeeting
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14:00:52 <randomuser> #meetingname fedora docs
14:00:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:01:07 <randomuser> #topic roll call
14:01:31 * jjmcd is here, but only a half for the first few minutes
14:02:47 * lnovich is here
14:03:21 * pkovar is here
14:04:43 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Standing_Agenda
14:05:32 <pbokoc> .
14:05:46 <randomuser> nice, it's a holiday today, I'm at work for no reason
14:06:04 <pbokoc> randomuser, I spent the whole weekend working :)
14:06:17 <pbokoc> (not on Fedora though, shame on me)
14:06:39 <randomuser> I worked on sampling amber ale :)
14:06:52 <randomuser> #topic New Writers / Mentors
14:07:10 <lnovich> anybody new?
14:07:26 <randomuser> in this part of the show, we give new folks an opportunity to tell us what they've been up to, ask questions, or just say hello
14:08:54 <lnovich> and if you need help - you can always contact a mentor - me for example  - to help you along the way
14:09:17 <lnovich> I have office hours on Sundays - no one attends :-(
14:10:27 <randomuser> lnovich, i think sometimes people show up then leave when it looks like there's nothing going on
14:10:56 <lnovich> ok
14:11:31 <randomuser> ...maybe.  Hard to do by yourself, but some chatter might help if that is actually happening
14:12:38 <pbokoc> yeah, I try to respond when someone shows up in #fedora-docs and asks something, but usually I notice someone was talking way after they leave
14:12:39 <randomuser> that's more of a general observation; people will join #fedora-join to say hello and part after 2 minutes when they don't get an immediate response
14:13:00 * jjmcd keeps forgetting office hours on the rare days I can make it
14:13:03 <randomuser> pbokoc, exactly
14:13:22 <randomuser> #info Americas Office hours are 18:00 on thursdays
14:13:47 <randomuser> yours are 1400, lnovich ?
14:14:15 <lnovich> slightly off topic - if someone can pls tell me where the IRC admin commands are and how to get admin status so that I can change the topic during office hrs it would be great
14:14:31 <lnovich> we can cover this after the meeting
14:14:33 <randomuser> lnovich, we've been doing the same commands as in meetings
14:14:52 <randomuser> you shouldn't need special status
14:15:14 <randomuser> #info EMEA office hours are 1300UTC Sundays
14:15:33 <randomuser> #info come visit an office hours session, get things done!
14:15:56 <lnovich> #info EMEA office hours are usually from 1300-1600 UTC Sundays
14:17:33 <randomuser> we'll move on, but if there *are* any new folks lurking, you're welcome to participate in the rest of the meeting too.
14:17:43 <randomuser> #topic release note beats
14:18:08 <randomuser> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats?rd=Documentation_Beats
14:18:23 <randomuser> I didn't get any beats work done this week
14:19:06 <randomuser> #info anyone can contribute to beats, and there are badges for doing so
14:20:18 <randomuser> I have a fairly developed pitch for non-docs people at this point, which will get integrated into https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_workflow_-_beat_writing
14:20:45 <randomuser> so we can point people at that and they can find a suitable role
14:21:09 <randomuser> Some help/review would be appreciated there; after, it will go to the Documentation Guide
14:22:32 * rkratky_ arrives rather late
14:22:42 <randomuser> ...and that
14:22:50 <randomuser> ...and that's all I have on RNs today
14:23:00 <randomuser> welcome, rkratky_
14:23:03 * pbokoc has nothing
14:24:02 <randomuser> #topic publican/publishing
14:24:15 <randomuser> Has anyone else spent some time with the site?
14:25:52 <randomuser> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2014-May/015619.html
14:26:09 <randomuser> #info The new site needs branding work, participants welcome
14:26:31 <randomuser> we also need to publish a lot of books
14:26:50 <randomuser> lnovich, I suggest we make book publishing the theme for the next office hours or three
14:27:55 <lnovich> ok sure thing randomuser
14:28:17 <randomuser> #info we also need content for the site, join the next office hours to help with a publishing sprint
14:28:22 <randomuser> zoglesby, ^^
14:28:28 <pkovar> so this looks like we are getting close to launching the new website?
14:28:44 <randomuser> pkovar, well, there's progress :)
14:29:03 <pkovar> that's great
14:29:04 <randomuser> the infrastructure side is good, but the branding *really* needs some work
14:29:34 <pbokoc> does that mean the css you were talking about last time?
14:29:38 <randomuser> yes
14:29:42 <pbokoc> right
14:29:53 <randomuser> css and a banner-slideshow thing too
14:30:09 <pkovar> thanks to all who've helped so far
14:30:37 <randomuser> publican-fedora has all the CSS for the books, but publican-fedora-web doesn't really have much at all, so the landing page is vanilla publican
14:31:18 <pbokoc> well, the last website I made used frames and an animated GIF of a "@" sign, so I can't really help a lot :-D
14:31:27 <randomuser> heh
14:32:46 <randomuser> I opened the main fp.o site, launched the "inspect element" thing, and started copying attributes over :P
14:33:46 <randomuser> so... it sounds like we need some ideas on how to get this done
14:33:50 <pbokoc> this is going to end well
14:33:54 <pbokoc> I have faith
14:35:11 <pkovar> me too
14:35:13 <randomuser> ahh.... faith-based engineering is always the most effective
14:35:27 <randomuser> #topic fedora.next product updates
14:36:17 <randomuser> Workstation has decided to create a comps group for their packages, so as they commit we will have a better idea of what their product will be
14:37:17 <pbokoc> huh. I thought all variants will have that
14:37:35 * randomuser shrugs
14:37:41 <randomuser> I share what news I know
14:38:33 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:39:06 <pbokoc> hey, I just noticed the release date for 21 moved to "no earlier than 2014-10-14"
14:39:14 <pbokoc> that makes me happy :)
14:39:21 <pbokoc> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Schedule
14:39:29 <randomuser> nice
14:39:50 <pbokoc> and beta in september
14:40:04 <randomuser> i like having more time to keep up
14:40:10 <pbokoc> yes
14:41:24 <randomuser> lnovich, what's up with your guide?
14:41:38 <randomuser> how can people help?
14:41:57 <lnovich> it is ready to be published
14:42:09 <lnovich> as long as there is a site for it
14:42:48 <pbokoc> nice
14:42:56 <randomuser> i understand pkovar can be bribed to publish things, if you don't have an instance around with the right publican version
14:43:36 <randomuser> or I could, I suppose
14:43:51 <pkovar> that's right. i accept sixpacks mostly
14:44:15 <pbokoc> just please don't buy him absinth
14:44:20 <pkovar> no
14:44:41 <pkovar> absinth is not my friend
14:44:41 <randomuser> there's got to be a good story there :)
14:45:38 <randomuser> pkovar, I forgot you in the .next topic - what's the news from envs-and-stacks?
14:45:49 <pkovar> btw, i can tell you a good story or two if you come to flock this year :-)
14:46:05 * randomuser won't make it to flock :(
14:46:25 <pbokoc> oh noes
14:46:31 <pkovar> the wg is planning on package reviews and stuff
14:46:33 <lnovich> oh no...bummer
14:46:59 <randomuser> pkovar, playground reviews?
14:47:22 <pkovar> that's right. doesn't directly affect our docs so far
14:48:58 <randomuser> cool. I'm encouraged by the amount of thought going into curating the playground repo
14:50:03 <pkovar> there is this new tool Taskotron that could help with tests etc.
14:50:23 <pkovar> pretty interesting
14:50:58 <randomuser> yeah, i have reading up on that on my  list
14:51:51 <randomuser> we've been referring some folks to you and the packager's guide, pkovar
14:52:15 <randomuser> setting up the document structure the way you envision it might make it easier for people to contribute
14:53:05 <pkovar> right. that reminds me that i still nned to push my changes i made to the structure
14:53:10 <pkovar> * need
14:53:41 <randomuser> :)
14:53:46 <pkovar> and i am always happy to welcome new contributors
14:54:44 <randomuser> #topic open floor
14:54:57 <randomuser> uncategorized comments or concerns?
14:55:03 <lnovich> anyone besides me going to Flock?
14:55:11 <pkovar> yes
14:55:22 <lnovich> anyone speaking?
14:55:32 <pkovar> we might have a docs meeting there with jared
14:55:51 <pkovar> jarek and i will be giving   talk on mallard
14:55:56 <lnovich> i saw it is slotted for Sat - not a good day for me to get work done
14:55:57 <pkovar> * a talk
14:56:03 <lnovich> can we switch it?
14:56:50 <pkovar> i guess we should talk to jared about that
14:57:28 <pkovar> i have yet to check the schedule
14:58:09 <pkovar> so that there are no conflicts with our docs talk :-)
14:58:22 <pkovar> lnovich: are you speaking?
14:58:29 <randomuser> i would suggest mailing flock-planning@lists.fp.o once you talk it over
14:59:07 <lnovich> i am speaking
14:59:40 <lnovich> unless for whatever reason i get no funding - have very limited funds ATM
14:59:57 <pkovar> cool. what's your talk about?
15:00:43 <lnovich> an application I am trying (not succeeding) to develop
15:01:20 <randomuser> our hour is up, let's move to #fedora-docs
15:01:25 <randomuser> #endmeeting