15:07:03 #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting 15:07:03 Meeting started Tue Jun 10 15:07:03 2014 UTC. The chair is Kevin_Kofler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:07:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:07:10 #meetingname kde-sig 15:07:10 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:07:16 #topic Role call 15:07:18 * jgrulich is present 15:07:33 * Kevin_Kofler is present (despite the heat), who else? 15:07:34 * danofsatx-work is here 15:07:36 * pino|work is here 15:08:43 btw, it's roll call - unless of course you wish us to state our roles as part of the SIG ;) 15:09:25 #undo 15:09:25 Removing item from minutes: 15:09:28 #topic Roll call 15:09:42 :-) 15:09:42 Better now? 15:09:43 Sorry for the Engrish. ;-) 15:09:44 heh ;) 15:10:19 * danofsatx-work is operating on lack of sleep and coffee, so please forgive the outbursts 15:12:03 Is 4 people (one of whom is not even in that list of voting WG members) now the new attendance standard for the meetings? 15:12:36 If the spelling of "roll call" is the most interesting thing to discuss, why do we even still do weekly meetings? 15:13:44 I'd like to discuss the readiness of Apper AppStream support for F21, but without 8/11 of the WG, it doesn't make much sense, grrr… 15:15:09 dvratil, mbriza, rdieter, rdieter_work, than: Ping? 15:16:24 In particular, I'm also fed up of having to "run after" 90% of the people every week. 15:16:51 hi, 15:17:26 ltinkl_: So can I consider you present? 15:18:31 Kevin_Kofler: yup 15:18:33 hi 15:20:15 #chair jgrulich danofsatx-work pino|work dvratil ltinkl 15:20:15 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler danofsatx-work dvratil jgrulich ltinkl pino|work 15:20:31 #info Kevin_Kofler, jgrulich, danofsatx-work, pino|work, dvratil, ltinkl present. 15:20:37 #topic Agenda 15:20:56 So, enough waiting, who doesn't show up loses… 15:21:09 [09:01] hi, I'm going to miss all/most of the kde-sig meeting time today, got roped into taking a pet to vet at the same time 15:21:16 from #fedora-kde 15:21:58 So, agenda items please… 15:22:17 As I already mentioned: readiness of Apper AppStream support for F21 15:23:00 anybody knows more about this? 15:23:02 * ltinkl not 15:23:16 there should be "some" support 15:23:29 Jun 10 14:10 good topic to discuss though: ready to do official kde-4.13.3 builds for f20? (and possibly considering a kde x.y+1 update for f19 too) 15:23:34 There was also this one. 15:24:18 #topic readiness of Apper AppStream support for F21 15:24:34 ltinkl: I must say I don't know all the details either, but here's what I know. 15:24:52 * Apper is now built with AppStream support enabled in Rawhide/F21. 15:25:36 * That support uses libappstream (not libappstream-glib as in GNOME Software, GNOME reinvented the wheel because libappstream was supposedly "not stable enough" when they wanted to use it). 15:26:11 * The problem is, AppStream data is still not on the mirrors, and the current workaround is that it is shipped INSIDE the GNOME Software package. 15:26:41 Needless to say, this means Apper can't realistically use it out of the box, because it can't really Require GNOME Software. 15:27:27 isn't the appstream metadata shipped in a separate noacrh package? 15:27:33 * Another issue is that AppStream is, in Fedora, generated exclusively from AppData, a GNOME-driven standard for per-application AppStream data that has upstream support mostly only from GNOME. 15:27:49 * ltinkl thought it was 15:28:19 In particular, the core KDE software still does NOT ship AppData upstream, and we aren't shipping it by ourselves. 15:28:48 This means the applications Apper users will actually be looking for the most do NOT have AppStream data in Fedora. 15:29:10 IMHO, that needs fixing if we are to keep AppStream support enabled for the F21 release. 15:29:38 ltinkl: Let me check the details. 15:31:07 ltinkl: No, it's not. 15:31:09 See for yourself: 15:31:13 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/gnome-software.git/tree/gnome-software.spec 15:31:39 ltinkl: No, it's not. 15:31:39 See for yourself: 15:31:41 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/gnome-software.git/tree/gnome-software.spec 15:31:51 :/ 15:31:57 See Source1 and Source2 there and the "# install AppStream data for Fedora" part, and no subpackages. 15:32:32 IMHO, as long as that's not solved, AppStream support in Apper is a farce and must be disabled. 15:34:11 If the data stays in packages, it needs to go into a noarch package that both libappstream-glib (not gnome-software!) and libappstream can Require. 15:34:12 I agree it's suboptimal but as the support is optional, it doesn't have to be completely disabled 15:34:17 (s/in Apper// imho) 15:34:56 But really, that stuff belongs onto the repository to begin with. 15:35:18 But Fedora Infrastructure is dragging their feet there. :-( 15:35:30 So we should push for getting the subpackage. 15:35:46 The other issue is the AppData for KDE software. 15:36:07 17:35] yes, i think that's what we're going to have to do for f21 15:36:17 hold on :) 15:36:24 AFAIK, all that's required there is that it is included in SOME package in Fedora, it doesn't have to be the package actually providing the software. 15:37:06 So I propose we take the latest of those "AppData for KDE software" tarballs and stuff it into a dummy subpackage of kde-settings. 15:37:42 (one that won't be actually installed by users, but just used for hughsie's AppData→AppStream compose) 15:38:17 Kevin_Kofler: sounds good 15:38:34 meanwhile hughsie will do the noarch package (in the following days) 15:38:50 OK, that's good news. 15:40:19 I'll check on the upstream status of AppData, I only know about the tarball from the upstream mailing list thread a while ago, I need to check if there's something more recent. 15:40:32 (of AppData for KDE software, obviously) 15:40:46 [17:40] right, agreed 15:40:48 [17:40] * hughsie writes a spec file 15:41:21 #info hughsie will do a noarch package with the AppStream data. 15:41:34 #action Kevin_Kofler to look into the status of AppData for KDE software. 15:42:18 ltinkl: I guess that's it for this topic, right? 15:42:59 #topic ready to do official kde-4.13.3 builds for f20? 15:43:07 So rdieter proposed this one. 15:43:18 Any opinions here? 15:43:45 IMHO, yes, but we should get kcm-balooadv dragged in by default somehow or our users will scream. 15:44:07 As for F19, I'm honestly not sure what to do at this point. 15:44:29 rdieter proposed pushing a 4.12 update there now, an idea I'm not sure I like. 15:45:01 We'd be updating a very outdated KDE software compilation to a somewhat outdated one. 15:45:57 4.12 should really have been pushed to begin with, but it's too late to talk about that now. 15:48:11 Proposal: Defer to next week when rdieter will (hopefully) be there… 15:48:25 (Not much sense to "discuss" this if I'm the only one writing anything.) 15:49:57 #info deferred to next week, no quorum 15:50:01 #topic Open discussion 15:50:14 Anything else? Otherwise, I'll be closing the meeting in 60 seconds. 15:50:27 is there any update to sddm? 15:50:50 oh ye, mbriza? 15:51:32 danofsatx-work: I know mbriza submitted QAuth for review: 15:51:35 .bug 1101235 15:51:38 Kevin_Kofler: Bug 1101235 Review Request: qauth - Qt user authentication library - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1101235 15:52:00 That package is a prerequisite for getting his latest code into Rawhide. 15:52:26 (That library now handles the authentication stuff, that was previously internal to sddm.) 15:53:39 He refactored the PAM code into a library because it can also be useful for other Qt/KDE applications. 15:53:58 So now the import into Rawhide is blocking on that review request. 15:54:22 What I don't know is whether there's any cool new stuff in QAuth or SDDM. 15:54:37 There you best ask mbriza directly. :-) 15:55:29 I've been offline for 5 days, so I wasn't sure if I missed any updates from him 15:56:25 I don't have any. 15:57:32 (other than that review request) 15:57:52 So, anything else or are we done for today? (Time is running up.) 15:58:49 OK, I guess that's all then, thanks for coming, see you next week! 15:58:52 #endmeeting