17:01:56 <mattdm> #startmeeting FESCO (2014-07-09) 17:01:57 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 9 17:01:56 2014 UTC. The chair is mattdm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:57 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:58 <mattdm> #meetingname fesco 17:01:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:02:00 <mattdm> #chair abadger1999 dgilmore jwb kylem mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik pjones sgallagh t8m 17:02:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore jwb kylem mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik pjones sgallagh t8m 17:02:02 <mattdm> #topic init process 17:02:07 <mitr> Hello 17:02:11 <mattdm> .hellomynameis mattdm 17:02:12 <zodbot> mattdm: mattdm 'Matthew Miller' <mattdm@mattdm.org> 17:02:18 <mattdm> I know nirik is here :) 17:02:30 <nirik> yep. ;) hi 17:02:43 <abadger1999> hello 17:02:44 <jwb> hi 17:02:58 <pjones> .hellomynameis pjones 17:02:59 <zodbot> pjones: pjones 'Peter Jones' <pjones@redhat.com> 17:03:07 <sgallagh> .hellomynameis sgallagh 17:03:07 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 17:03:13 <sgallagh> I have a hard stop in one hour this week 17:03:36 <mattdm> sgallagh agenda is short (although item 2 may be big...) 17:03:36 <pjones> mattdm wins the prize for his name the most times in a zodbot response. Stupid domain names. 17:03:46 <nirik> heh 17:03:49 <mattdm> lol 17:04:03 <mattdm> okay let's get started 17:04:16 <mattdm> there's the blocker review meeting concurrently in #fedora-blocker-review 17:04:21 <mattdm> #topic #1311 Disable syscall auditing by default 17:04:23 <mattdm> .fesco 1311 17:04:25 <mattdm> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1311 17:04:26 <zodbot> mattdm: #1311 (Disable syscall auditing by default) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1311 17:04:33 <mattdm> I am unclear on where we left this. 17:05:23 <mitr> From last week: this was decided last week, will update ticket with info. (nirik) 17:05:26 <mattdm> hmm. last week says "this was decided last week, will update ticket with info. (nirik, 17:45:09)" :) 17:05:30 <sgallagh> I'm rapidly approaching the "disable it and see what breaks" point 17:05:40 <nirik> yeah, I thought we decided to disable it already. 17:05:49 <mitr> AGREED: turn off syscall auditing for all processes by default. we 17:05:51 * sgallagh was away during that particular week 17:05:52 <mitr> will reevaluate when we get info from the perf team (6-0-0) 17:06:01 <mitr> So we need an actual bug and commit 17:06:08 <mattdm> thanks mitr. 17:06:13 <mattdm> anyone want to take that action? 17:06:16 * mitr just goes to update the ticket with this finally 17:06:26 <dgilmore> hole 17:06:30 <nirik> dgilmore: was going to update it. ;) 17:06:45 <dgilmore> i was i failed this week 17:06:57 <mattdm> dgilmore is kinda busy I think :) 17:07:04 <sgallagh> dgilmore: Given what was on your plate this week, I'm declaring it forgivable 17:08:13 <mattdm> mitr since you put your hand up for updating the ticket do you want to at least file the bug as well? 17:08:18 <mattdm> just suggestin' :) 17:09:16 <mitr> mattdm: I”m getting annoyed with this ticket enough that it seems worth it :) Will do. 17:09:22 <mattdm> mitr awesome :) 17:09:31 <t8m> good :) 17:09:42 <mattdm> #action mitr to close syscall auditing ticket, file bug, etc. 17:09:52 <mattdm> #topic #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze 17:09:54 <mattdm> .fesco 1322 17:10:02 <zodbot> mattdm: #1322 (F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 17:10:02 <mattdm> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 17:10:02 <mattdm> summoning jreznik! 17:10:22 * jreznik magically appears 17:10:28 <mattdm> amazing! 17:10:48 <nirik> magic! 17:11:05 <jreznik> so that's the state I was able to get so far, for some changes, there are updates why it's not yet ready, so are without any updates 17:11:21 <mattdm> anything particularly of note? 17:11:24 <t8m> what's the difference between appearing magically and unmagically? 17:11:33 <mattdm> t8m speed, mostly 17:11:41 <mattdm> also, sparkles 17:11:48 <t8m> sparkles on IRC? 17:11:52 <jreznik> unless you see something that raises your hand, as always, I still can be begging for updates for the next meeting :) 17:12:07 * dgilmore needs to update his change 17:12:21 <mattdm> jreznik there are a couple of cloud wg things which I would characterize as "at risk". we'll talk about them at the cloud WG meeting tomorrow 17:12:48 <t8m> jreznik, I am slightly worried about the changes with no update at all 17:12:51 <jreznik> mattdm: please do and let me know 17:13:24 <mitr> The only highlight I have is “1091299 (A)Periodic Updates to Cloud Images”: are there any rel-eng concerns WRT feasibility or required timing? 17:13:57 <jreznik> t8m: see, even some fesco guys are going to update "no updates" ones now :) 17:14:17 <t8m> jreznik, good again 17:14:24 <jreznik> mitr: yeah, that's my question too - mattdm said he's going to check it on tomorrow's meeting 17:14:31 <dgilmore> need to finalise where we will put the images in the tree 17:14:55 <mattdm> mitr I think that with fedimg, and with some details like "where does it actually go", releng is in better shape than qa 17:15:06 <mitr> mattdm: thanks 17:15:08 <mattdm> that's the part I'm more worried about -- we don't really have the plan yet 17:16:24 <mattdm> note the contingency, though -- we keep doing it as a by-hand firedrill when necessary. 17:16:38 <dgilmore> qa and web i think are more an issue than releng 17:17:19 <dgilmore> having a good way to get the id for the latest images in a give provider 17:17:30 <dgilmore> I dont know whe have done anything about that yet 17:17:52 <mattdm> dgilmore it's on oddshocks' list of things to do. I'll talk to him about it 17:18:04 <mattdm> and in general I'll round up what I can and give a better update for next meeting 17:18:29 <mattdm> #action mattdm to take aperidoc updates to cloud wg and qa and web before next fesco 17:20:20 <mattdm> okay... anything else here? 17:20:27 <jreznik> so as I said, I can try to follow up with change owners by next meeting, if there's nothing else worrying now 17:20:42 <jreznik> I'd like to have system wide fully covered 17:20:52 <mattdm> jreznik *nod* 17:21:05 <mattdm> let me know if you need help badgering people 17:21:07 * abadger1999 has flagged the javadoc FPC ticket for attention at tomorrow's FPC meeting. 17:21:16 * mattdm tries to not be one of the people who needs to be badgered 17:21:21 <jreznik> abadger1999: thanks 17:21:34 <abadger1999> I agree that scls are at risk... not sure just how much that can be sped up, though :-( 17:21:34 <mattdm> #topic Next week's chair 17:22:05 <mattdm> (unless we want to talk about scls a bit?) 17:22:42 <abadger1999> mattdm: up to you -- I've been talking to langdon about them in an FPC ocntext, and you in terms of risk to cloud Product if scls don't come through. 17:23:08 <abadger1999> I don't know if discussing htem inside of fesco would help more than that. 17:23:28 <sgallagh> I will be away from my computer the next two meetings (I have filed vacation notices in Fedocal) 17:24:05 <mattdm> abadger1999: yeah I'll just try to keep an eye on it. as mentioned, it would have been a great shiny feature for cloud, but we can put effort into promoting Fedora Atomic as the shiny approach 17:24:19 <mattdm> so let's do the hotseat-assignment thing :) 17:24:25 <t8m> mattdm, I can chair the next meeting 17:25:18 <mattdm> #info t8m to chair next meeting 17:25:22 <mattdm> #topic Open Floor 17:25:23 <jreznik> also Workstation guys would like to see SCL as shiny thing for them 17:25:42 <jreznik> btw. FESCo Town Hall is going to be this Friday, 13:00 UTC 17:25:54 <mattdm> #info FESCo Town Hall is going to be this Friday, 13:00 UTC 17:26:01 <abadger1999> jreznik: Do we have more than three nominations now? 17:26:02 <sgallagh> abadger1999: Would you mind prodding the rest of the FPC to look into and discuss the per-product config draft ASAP? It's potentially an Alpha Blocker. 17:26:08 <jreznik> abadger1999: 5 17:26:08 <mattdm> abadger1999 five 17:26:20 <abadger1999> sgallagh: Sure. Is ther ea ticket for it now? 17:26:21 <jreznik> abadger1999: I sent you email with names, if you can pre-set the election app 17:26:29 <abadger1999> I can make sure it comes up at tomorrow's meeting if so. 17:26:33 <abadger1999> Cool 17:26:33 <sgallagh> abadger1999: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/446 17:26:44 <jreznik> abadger1999: and also if you could add me to the elections group - so I can edit fedocal 17:26:50 * abadger1999 puts that on the top of the agenda as well. 17:26:53 <abadger1999> jreznik: Will do. 17:27:03 <sgallagh> abadger1999: Much obliged. Thanks 17:27:08 <jreznik> announcement has to be moderated, I sent it a few minutes ago (I'll do it) 17:27:12 <mattdm> #info per-product config draft is potentially an alpha blocker 17:27:13 <jreznik> abadger1999: thanks 17:27:15 <sgallagh> What time is the meeting? I'll try to be there to answer questions 17:28:11 <jreznik> sgallagh: do we have also bug for it? if not, it should be created to follow blockers workflow 17:28:37 <mattdm> #info fpc meeting which will cover this is tomorrow (thursday) at 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 17:28:37 <sgallagh> jreznik: It's more a process thing than a BZ 17:29:01 <sgallagh> jreznik: i.e. not having a guideline in place means that other necessary pieces won't be ready in time 17:29:01 <jreznik> sgallagh: but we need it to formally block the release if needed - the process is all about bugs 17:29:15 <mattdm> sgallagh I guess firewalld as a practical example? 17:29:22 <sgallagh> mattdm: I was just typing that 17:29:45 <sgallagh> ok, I'll file a firewalld bug that we can propose as a blocker 17:30:08 <mattdm> or file against "distribution" 17:30:12 <mattdm> that's a thing. 17:30:22 <mattdm> "Bugs related to Fedora as a whole. This includes requests for new components, bugs about what packages may or may not be included in various spins, bugs in the mechanics of how the distribution is built, and other issues." 17:30:24 <sgallagh> mattdm: I suppose 17:30:41 * mattdm wonders what bugs are open against that. 17:30:49 * nirik notes we need to clean up the bugs in that component. Saw a bunch of old ones recently. I guess I should just go and do that sometime. ;) 17:30:53 <sgallagh> mattdm: Mostly new package requests 17:31:11 <mattdm> buncha trackers and stuff too. 17:31:12 <nirik> Lots of tracker bugs. 17:31:20 <nirik> ia64 tracker, sparc tracker, etc. 17:31:21 <mattdm> anyway. that _does_ seem like the appropriate place. 17:31:55 <mattdm> any other open floor items? 17:32:13 <jreznik> ia64 and sparc :) 17:32:22 * sgallagh files 17:32:36 <mattdm> ending meeting in one minute 17:33:36 <mattdm> #endmeeting