06:01:22 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n 06:01:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 23 06:01:22 2014 UTC. The chair is tagoh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:01:22 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:01:23 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n 06:01:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 06:01:23 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call 06:01:24 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-07-23 06:01:38 <anish__> Hi! 06:01:41 <tagoh_> it's time to have i18n meeting! 06:02:19 <juhp> hi 06:02:28 <epico> hi 06:02:46 <mfabian> Hi! 06:04:02 <paragan> hi 06:04:44 <fujiwarat> hi 06:05:04 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started. 06:05:17 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule 06:05:17 <tagoh_> #info 2014-08-05 Alpha Release 06:05:18 <tagoh_> #info 2014-08-26 Software Translation Deadline 06:05:18 <tagoh_> #info 2014-08-26 Beta Change Deadline 06:05:19 <tagoh_> #info 2014-08-26 Accepted Changes 100% Complete 06:06:50 <juhp> btw looks very likely that alpha will slip 2+1 weeks 06:07:08 <tagoh_> aha 06:07:14 <juhp> though I think Fesco has not approved this change yet 06:08:14 <paragan> hm 06:08:17 <juhp> but proposal seems to be Alpha freeze 5 Aug and then release one week after flock 06:08:43 <juhp> okay just 2 weeks I think 06:09:35 <tagoh_> any serious issues for us? 06:11:40 <juhp> sorry brb 06:12:11 <tagoh_> does it work for you atm? 06:13:35 <juhp> it? 06:13:51 <tagoh_> f21 pre-alpha 06:14:08 <juhp> ah I haven't test lately I am afraid 06:14:23 <paragan> not sure if naming issue is resolved for iso file creation. 06:14:44 <juhp> I should try to a recently nightly image probably 06:17:15 <tagoh_> okay 06:17:20 <tagoh_> anything else? 06:19:21 <tagoh_> if not, let's move on 06:20:44 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics 06:20:45 <tagoh_> #info #30: review Workstation Technical Specification for i18n (petersen) 06:20:45 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/30 06:21:25 <juhp> okay I put some updates in the ticket - not sure if there is much more to discuss 06:21:54 <juhp> I noticed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_workstation_release_criteria 06:22:26 <juhp> perhaps we should ask about adding some i18n criteria? 06:23:00 <tagoh_> aha. sounds good to me 06:23:54 <juhp> I opened a Workstation ticket about syncing/updating the package list 06:24:09 <tagoh_> cool 06:24:28 <juhp> though maybe discussing on the desktop list might be more expedient 06:25:18 <juhp> and I looked at the other WG docs and found that the Server Technical Spec mentions IM briefly 06:26:32 <juhp> perhaps we can close #30 now? 06:27:07 <tagoh_> better having separate ticket for i18n criteria you mentioned the above? 06:27:28 <juhp> ah 06:27:57 <tagoh_> given that we want to have one, maybe good to bring this up with draft? or should we ask for that without it first? 06:28:25 <juhp> Adam posted the draft to the desktop list a while ago - I could ask there about adding i18n criteria I guess 06:28:52 <juhp> though yeah I guess question would be what the criteria should be... 06:29:20 <juhp> or maybe both 06:31:00 <tagoh_> not yet reading Adam's draft carefully though, if that contains any generic input/rendering stuff, that may be good enough to cover i18n generally too? 06:34:28 <juhp> apparently https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Alpha_Release_Criteria?rd=User:Adamwill/Draft_F21_Alpha_criteria is newer 06:35:12 <juhp> don't seem anything related to i18n really though 06:39:08 <tagoh_> hm 06:40:49 <tagoh_> this is for alpha so not focusing on the runtime. we may not need to have something there perhaps 06:44:11 <juhp> right Beta might well be more appropriate 06:44:26 <juhp> so maybe we should wait hen 06:44:28 <juhp> then 06:44:32 <tagoh_> yep 06:44:38 <juhp> okay 06:44:54 <tagoh_> okay, move on then 06:45:05 <tagoh_> #info #31: Fedora 21 i18n docbeats (tagoh) 06:45:05 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/31 06:45:13 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Beta_Release_Criteria btw 06:45:26 <tagoh_> juhp: thanks 06:46:03 <tagoh_> good to discuss about it in next meeting maybe 06:46:49 <juhp> yeah 06:47:27 <tagoh_> anything you noticed we should add something else for relnotes? 06:53:53 <tagoh_> okay... feel free to update anytime when you find something better to mention. 06:53:57 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor 06:54:47 <tagoh_> well, initially I was expecting to see some discussion about test day on the list, but seems not. so maybe good to bring it up here. 06:55:19 <tagoh_> we may want to decide the date and update/improve test cases etc. 06:57:22 <tagoh_> given that no slips on beta schedule, not too much time remaining to have ours in that time line, if we are planning to have one before beta change deadline. 06:58:27 <tagoh_> any suggestions? 07:02:09 <juhp> but I guess beta will also slip two weeks due to alpha 07:03:58 <tagoh_> I suppose we don't have too much time to prepare anyway 07:04:55 <juhp> right indeed :) 07:05:07 <juhp> any week in mind? 07:05:49 <juhp> lijli, any thoughts on i18n Test Day? 07:06:46 <juhp> is there an test days schedule yet? 07:06:50 <juhp> any 07:08:02 <tagoh_> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/QA/?subject=Test+Day 07:09:41 <tagoh_> maybe 1 week before the change deadline is ideal? 07:12:16 <tagoh_> though seems not too much slots around it 07:13:01 <juhp> hmm yea 07:13:07 <tagoh_> how about 8/15 or 8/18? 07:14:44 <tagoh_> or expecting to slip 2+ weeks, 8/26 or 8/28 07:15:05 <juhp> end of Aug sound good to me 07:15:51 <juhp> or last week of Aug yeah 07:16:12 <tagoh_> any other comments? 07:19:44 <fujiwarat> FYI: I exported IBUS_SETUP_XID environment variable in ibus-setup likes GNOME_CONTROL_CENTER_XID. 07:19:49 <fujiwarat> https://github.com/ibus/ibus/commit/b1b4e2946682e3d53aa396d8469c7fa16a2dbca8 07:19:53 <tagoh_> if no objections, let me open a ticket with it 07:23:02 <tagoh_> okay. any other topics to discuss before stop the meeting? 07:23:43 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: any actions required for engine maintainers? 07:24:46 <fujiwarat> Similar implementation with GNOME_CONTROL_CENTER_XID. It's explained in https://wiki.gnome.org/AllanDay/IMEGuidelines 07:25:18 <fujiwarat> It's nice to have. 07:27:06 <fujiwarat> Those variables are available in the current f21. 07:28:21 <tagoh_> so ibus-setup-* should follow? 07:28:43 <fujiwarat> Right but nice to have. 07:29:20 <tagoh_> aha 07:29:37 <tagoh_> okay, anything else? 07:31:55 <tagoh_> if not, will stop shortly 07:33:54 <tagoh_> alright. thanks everyone for the meeting! 07:33:58 <tagoh_> #endmeeting