14:08:21 <Sparks_too> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:08:21 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 4 14:08:21 2014 UTC. The chair is Sparks_too. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:08:21 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:08:24 <Sparks_too> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:08:24 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:08:29 <Sparks_too> #topic Roll Call 14:08:31 * Sparks_too 14:08:34 * lnovich is here 14:08:48 * bexelbie is here 14:08:54 <pbokoc> . 14:09:00 * BitwiseOperator_ is new, but here 14:09:02 * jjmcd will be semi-AFK in a few for a con call with the SEOC 14:09:16 <lnovich> wellcome BitwiseOperator! 14:09:25 <BitwiseOperator_> Thanks! 14:10:10 <bexelbie> .hellomynameis bex 14:10:11 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com> 14:11:06 * rkratky is here 14:12:29 <lnovich> wow lots of faces! 14:13:01 * yruseva hereee 14:13:47 <pbokoc> let's move on 14:17:12 * Capesteve1 waves 14:17:26 * lnovich waves back 14:17:30 <lnovich> can we move on/ 14:17:47 * nb is kind of here 14:17:52 * nb wonders who is going to flock 14:17:55 <nb> .hellomynameis nb 14:17:56 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net> 14:18:33 * bexelbie is going to flock 14:18:37 <pbokoc> #info Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better" 14:18:51 <nb> Sparks_too, are you coming? 14:19:08 * nb wonders if sparks went afk 14:19:10 <lnovich> #info I was going to flock - canceled my plans 14:19:21 <bexelbie> #info is going to flock 14:19:24 <BitwiseOperator> What is "flock"? 14:19:37 <bexelbie> BitwiseOperator, flocktofedora.org 14:19:39 <BitwiseOperator> Not to be too n00by, but since we're just kinda waitin' around 14:19:39 <pbokoc> BitwiseOperator, it's a Fedora conference in Prague, starting this week 14:19:55 <BitwiseOperator> Ah. Well, I'm definitely not going to make that one, then. lol. 14:20:12 <pbokoc> heheh 14:20:17 <jhradilek> Are we meeting today? 14:20:37 <nb> Sparks_too, started a meeting but then hasn't said anything 14:20:41 <nb> .misc help addchair 14:20:41 <zodbot> nb: (addchair <channel> <network> <nick>) -- Add a nick as a chair to the meeting. 14:20:47 <nb> anyone else want to run it? 14:20:55 <nb> .addchair #fedora-meeting freenode nb 14:20:55 <zodbot> nb: Chair added: nb on (#fedora-meeting, freenode). 14:21:08 <nb> #chair jhradilek lnovich BitwiseOperator bexelbie pbokoc 14:21:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: BitwiseOperator Sparks_too bexelbie jhradilek lnovich nb pbokoc 14:21:17 <BitwiseOperator> Haha 14:21:25 <BitwiseOperator> Alright! Chairin' the first meeting I attend.. 14:21:43 <nb> i would, but i have to finish packing 14:21:44 <jhradilek> Ah, forgot to say. 14:21:46 * jhradilek is here. 14:21:48 <nb> so i am only kind of here 14:22:03 <pbokoc> #topic Follow up on last week's action items 14:22:14 <pbokoc> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:22:29 <Sparks_too> Sorry, I got called away. Thanks pbokoc for taking over. I'll let you continue the show. :) 14:22:33 <pbokoc> half of the items seem to belong to randomuser 14:22:42 <BitwiseOperator> Yeah, and I don't see him here 14:22:50 <pbokoc> yyyyep 14:22:52 <lnovich> he maybe in transit to flock? 14:23:07 <pbokoc> lnovich, no, he said he wasn't attending 14:23:12 <lnovich> oh ok 14:23:19 <jhradilek> lnovich: Are you coming to Prague? :) 14:23:42 <pbokoc> lnovich, anyway, you have a few items in the list too 14:23:43 <lnovich> no - not since my world turned upside down 14:23:50 <Sparks_too> pbokoc: Perhaps just jump to the next stuff and don't worry about last week's stuff 14:23:57 <pbokoc> yeah, ok 14:24:03 <pbokoc> #topic New Writers 14:24:03 * lnovich hides head and prays teacher doesn 14:24:03 <nb> Sparks_too, are you coing to flock? 14:24:16 <pbokoc> BitwiseOperator, now is your time! :) 14:24:22 <Sparks_too> nb: No 14:24:27 <BitwiseOperator> Haha, I am indeed a new guy. 14:24:30 <nb> Sparks_too, :( 14:24:42 <jhradilek> :( 14:24:42 * bexelbie is new too 14:24:53 <lnovich> so bitwiseoperator new to Fedora as well? 14:25:00 <lnovich> or just docs? 14:25:14 <BitwiseOperator> No, I've been running Fedora for about 10 months now. 14:25:18 <BitwiseOperator> I have kind of an interesting story 14:25:40 <BitwiseOperator> I'm a Microsoft Certified IT Professional who worked at a help desk for 4 years and then in system engineering for 3, working in a Microsoft-only shop for all that time 14:25:56 <lnovich> ok where? 14:26:02 * pbokoc hisses 14:26:04 <BitwiseOperator> And then I got a job working with Red Hat Enterprise Linux and AIX 14:26:06 <pbokoc> sorry, I had to :)) 14:26:09 <BitwiseOperator> Haha, right. 14:26:15 <BitwiseOperator> I'm at the University of Virginia 14:26:21 <BitwiseOperator> Now I'm with the medical center 14:26:26 <bexelbie> BitwiseOperator, nice location 14:26:27 <BitwiseOperator> Er, excuse me, "health system" 14:26:49 <BitwiseOperator> But prior to August of last year, I had zero experience with Linux beyond installing Yellow Dog Linux on my PS3 back in the day when that was permitted by Sony 14:27:08 <BitwiseOperator> So I've been working on figuring out how to do everything in Linux that I could do with Windows 14:27:15 <lnovich> ok don't worry - there are lots of people who can help 14:27:34 <BitwiseOperator> But I've made some significant progress. I sadly failed my RHCSA exam by 3%, but that can give you an idea of where I am in terms fo my skill set 14:27:36 <bexelbie> BitwiseOperator, I hope you have been keeping notes on things you have had to look up or struggled with .. could be a great source of user stories 14:27:42 <BitwiseOperator> Oh yes. 14:27:45 <bexelbie> :D 14:27:47 <BitwiseOperator> I am a prodigious documenter and note-taker. 14:27:52 <BitwiseOperator> Hence my interest in the Docs group 14:27:55 <lnovich> excellent 14:28:07 <BitwiseOperator> OneNote, incidentally, is an excellent Microsoft product for that purpose... 14:28:10 <BitwiseOperator> =) 14:28:36 <pbokoc> BitwiseOperator, I suggest reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project?rd=DocsProject and the links therein, if you haven't done that yet 14:28:46 <BitwiseOperator> I have read that, thanks. 14:28:50 <BitwiseOperator> I will review it again 14:28:57 <BitwiseOperator> Any other suggestions like that, I'm all ears 14:29:00 <lnovich> is there a particular interest you have? 14:29:23 <lnovich> virtualization, desktops, servers, storage, etc? 14:29:41 <BitwiseOperator> Well, my areas of expertise have been virtualization and security 14:29:51 * lnovich grins 14:30:01 <BitwiseOperator> But I'm up for anything 14:30:19 <BitwiseOperator> Broadening horizons and deepening understanding are equally good uses of my time in my book 14:30:35 <pbokoc> BitwiseOperator, how about the other stuff - did you join the docs mailing list, get a FAS account, have you signed the contributor agreement? 14:30:48 <BitwiseOperator> I did join the mailing list, which is how I found out about this meeting 14:30:53 <BitwiseOperator> I have an FAS account and have signed the agreement 14:30:57 <pbokoc> cool 14:31:01 <BitwiseOperator> I frequent ask.fedoraproject.org 14:31:11 <BitwiseOperator> Which is how I have come into contact with randomuser, incidentally 14:31:28 <pbokoc> great! 14:31:38 <lnovich> bexelbie - we didn't forget you! 14:31:52 <BitwiseOperator> Yes, allow me to yield the floor 14:31:53 <jhradilek> BitwiseOperator: From your description, it also sounds like contributing to the System Administrator's guide might help you with your RHCSA studies. :) 14:32:00 <BitwiseOperator> Absolutely 14:32:01 <BitwiseOperator> I'm all for it 14:32:16 <lnovich> by the way, I am a mentor for the docs - so if either of you need help I have office hours on sundays 14:32:22 <BitwiseOperator> Nice 14:32:30 <BitwiseOperator> Good to meet you all 14:32:55 <lnovich> from 1pm-3pm (+/-) EST 14:33:03 <BitwiseOperator> And I'll just say, before I totally yield the floor, I do think Microsoft is a valuable IT organization which does a lot of good, but FOSS is, in my opinion, one of the greatest IT endeavors of our time, so I'm really excited to be a part of it. 14:33:14 <pbokoc> BitwiseOperator, good to meet you too! You should also introduce yourself in the docs list (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Introduce_yourself_to_the_Docs_Project ) 14:33:16 <BitwiseOperator> I never got into it previously because Microsoft was all my shop ran, so it took all my time 14:33:20 <BitwiseOperator> But now that it's my job 14:33:22 <BitwiseOperator> I'm excited to be here. 14:33:30 <BitwiseOperator> Yeah, will do. 14:34:12 <pbokoc> cool. We'll find you something to do then - but we should probably move the meeting forward for now. 14:34:20 <BitwiseOperator> Indeed. 14:34:24 <BitwiseOperator> How's about bexelbie? 14:34:55 <lnovich> yup - we can take this offlist - I can hang around for a bit (not for long) after the meeting 14:35:17 <pbokoc> bexelbie isn't new, don't listen to him :)) 14:35:26 <BitwiseOperator> Bahaha 14:35:28 <BitwiseOperator> Oh. 14:35:28 <bexelbie> I am new to some people :) 14:35:37 <pbokoc> but I think he hasn't introduced himself either! 14:36:03 <lnovich> ok so...do telll.... 14:36:06 <pbokoc> anyway, bexelbie, do you want to say anything? 14:36:11 <BitwiseOperator> lol 14:36:13 <bexelbie> I know and work with several people here in the meat-space. I work for a linux company that is very active in Fedora (Red Hat). I have earned the RHCE and have over 16 years of experience in different aspects of unix development, administration, and management. 14:36:21 <bexelbie> s/the// 14:36:43 <BitwiseOperator> Nice 14:36:58 <bexelbie> I am currently doing some documentation work with Docker and projectatomic. 14:37:12 <lnovich> nice! 14:37:19 <BitwiseOperator> That's like documentation rock-star-dom. 14:37:36 <bexelbie> Nah, I put my pants on like everyone else .. then I write about Docker :P 14:37:46 <lnovich> i know some of the docker folks -great group 14:37:49 <BitwiseOperator> I find that I write some of my best documentation without pants. 14:37:55 <bexelbie> Thought in fairness most of my time is spent on Atomic and recently cloud-init 14:38:08 <bexelbie> BitwiseOperator, is this why you had to change jobs :P 14:38:12 <BitwiseOperator> LOL 14:38:25 <BitwiseOperator> No, then I imagine I'd've had to leave the organization entirely rather than switch from the Academic to Medical side... 14:39:04 <pbokoc> allright, let's move on before the discussion gets completely derailed :) 14:39:10 <pbokoc> #topic Release Notes Beats 14:39:15 <BitwiseOperator> #agreed 14:39:26 <pbokoc> anyone got any Beats work done? I know I haven't :( 14:39:30 <bexelbie> BitwiseOperator, you were on the academic side .. nice (we can talk offline .. I used to be with the Univ. of DE) 14:39:49 <BitwiseOperator> Sweet, yo. 14:39:52 <lnovich> #info a beat is a chunk of material (a topic) which is used to create the Release note 14:40:16 <lnovich> isn't that the #1 party school in the US? 14:40:38 <pbokoc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats?rd=Docs/Beats 14:40:45 <bexelbie> lnovich, that is one of the awards they won during my tenure :P 14:40:49 <bexelbie> (though I had nothing to do with it) 14:40:55 <lnovich> right... 14:41:45 <pbokoc> #info randomuser is working on the new beats structure (Beats Redux) thing; contributions are welcome 14:41:48 <pbokoc> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Immanetize/Beats_Redux 14:41:55 <lnovich> ok first of all - I am behind in my beat writing - when do we need it for? 14:42:15 <BitwiseOperator> Semi-random-question: Is this meeting logged and, if so, where do I obtain the log? 14:42:29 <lnovich> I can get something together for next week, not before 14:42:31 <pbokoc> BitwiseOperator, yes it is; minutes are posted to the docs list 14:42:36 <BitwiseOperator> Ok woot 14:42:51 <pbokoc> I'm not sure if it's an entire log or just minutes though, lemme check 14:43:00 <misc> both 14:43:12 <BitwiseOperator> w00t 14:43:16 <pbokoc> right 14:43:21 <misc> see http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ 14:43:56 <pbokoc> lnovich, beats should be ready for Alpha release, which is currently scheduled for Aug 26 14:44:02 <pbokoc> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Schedule 14:44:07 <lnovich> rdgr rdgr 14:44:17 <lnovich> i can do that ( i hope) 14:44:39 <pbokoc> note that we should have them ready earlier (let's say a week before) so that there's enough time to move them from the wiki to DocBook and build them 14:44:57 <lnovich> ok so this week/next week 14:44:59 <lnovich> got it 14:45:06 <pbokoc> allright 14:45:25 <pbokoc> #info a few beats are still unclaimed, so take a look at the table and pick one if you can 14:46:02 <pbokoc> and let's move on again 14:46:16 <BitwiseOperator> Where is the table of claimed beats? 14:46:39 <pbokoc> BitwiseOperator, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats?rd=Docs/Beats (scroll down) 14:46:40 <jjmcd> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats?rd=Documentation_Beats 14:46:53 <BitwiseOperator> Ah, got it 14:46:54 <BitwiseOperator> Thanks 14:46:56 <pbokoc> if it says <unclaimed> or Open in the Writer column, it's up for grabs 14:47:17 <pbokoc> #topic SEO with DocBook & Publican 14:47:28 <pbokoc> lnovich, any progress? I remember you were involved in this 14:48:24 <lnovich> ok I am working on this - the basics I have meaning you add <chapterinfo> and <sectioninfo> tags , what I am doing now is a test to see if it really makes a difference 14:49:08 <pbokoc> alright, sounds good. Anything else? 14:49:18 <lnovich> once I test it, and I know it works, I will send out a How To 14:49:25 <pbokoc> cool 14:49:46 <lnovich> and we can make it an article for Fedora Magazine if you want 14:50:07 <pbokoc> #action lnovich to test <section/chapterinfo> tags and write a SEO HowTo 14:50:27 <pbokoc> lnovich, well, if _you_ want, I don't think anyone will object :) 14:50:47 <pbokoc> depends on how busy you are 14:50:58 <pbokoc> anyway 14:51:04 <lnovich> let's see how the test works out 14:51:18 * lnovich is not optimistic 14:51:36 <pbokoc> #topic Publican/Publishing 14:51:42 <pbokoc> any news on this front? 14:51:42 * lnovich wonders if proper use of ID tags is just as good 14:51:51 <bexelbie> lnovich, is there a doc of what you are testing .. if we could possibly help? 14:52:07 <pbokoc> #undo 14:52:07 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x15414490> 14:52:17 * bexelbie knows more about xml/dockbook than SEO though 14:52:31 <lnovich> once i get the doc ready - and get a baseline - i will see 14:52:36 <bexelbie> cool 14:52:42 <pbokoc> yeah, I don't know much about publishing but IDs sound like they play a pretty big role - since they determine how filenames are formed in html 14:52:45 <lnovich> i will let you know bexelbie 14:52:47 <jjmcd> bexelbie, I think that is everyone's situation except maybe Laura 14:53:25 <pbokoc> lnovich, ok, once you're ready to accept help, just ask :) 14:54:04 <lnovich> im always ready to accept help 14:54:43 <pbokoc> #topic Open floor discussion 14:54:57 <pbokoc> we have about 5 minutes left, so if anyone has anything to discuss, now is the time to speak 14:55:48 * lnovich hears crickets 14:55:49 * jsmith has no update from the Cloud team 14:56:04 <jsmith> Still pushing them for something.... 14:56:12 <pbokoc> Capesteve1 made a ton of commits to the Networking Guide and System Administrator's Guide, good job :) 14:56:25 <pbokoc> (as usual) 14:56:25 <lnovich> yay capesteve1! 14:56:30 <jhradilek> Capesteve1: Good job! 14:56:49 <BitwiseOperator> Are there instructions available for how one goes about making documentation commits such as those? 14:56:56 <Capesteve1> pbokoc: the Networking Guide is ready to publish, just need to pkovar to do his thing 14:57:05 <pbokoc> oh cool 14:57:21 <Capesteve1> Sys Admin guide will take another week at least 14:58:08 <pbokoc> BitwiseOperator, that's going to be a longer discussion, I'm afraid. If you have the time, hang out in #fedora-docs after the meeting ends and we can explain the basics to you 14:58:15 <BitwiseOperator> Sure 14:58:34 <lnovich> 1 minute ... 14:59:41 <pbokoc> meeting ending in 10 14:59:43 <pbokoc> 9 14:59:44 <pbokoc> 8 14:59:46 <pbokoc> 7 14:59:47 <pbokoc> 6 14:59:48 <pbokoc> 5 14:59:50 <pbokoc> 4 14:59:51 <pbokoc> 3 14:59:52 <pbokoc> 2 14:59:53 <pbokoc> 1 14:59:56 <pingou> 0 14:59:56 <pbokoc> #endmeeting