04:01:33 <tuanta_> #startmeeting
04:01:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Aug 23 04:01:33 2014 UTC.  The chair is tuanta_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:01:43 <kushal> tuanta_, good morning
04:01:53 <tuanta_> #meetingname SFD Hanoi 2014 funding
04:01:53 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'sfd_hanoi_2014_funding'
04:01:58 <banas> Hi everyone :)
04:02:05 <kushal> banas, good morning
04:02:07 <tuanta_> #topic Rol call
04:02:13 <tuanta_> .fas tuanta
04:02:15 <zodbot> tuanta_: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:02:15 <banas> .fasinfo sarupbanskota
04:02:16 <kushal> .fasinfo kushal
04:02:18 <zodbot> banas: User: sarupbanskota, Name: Sarup Banskota, email: sbanskota08@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-03-28, IRC Nick: banas, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
04:02:20 <amita> .fas amita
04:02:21 <zodbot> banas: Unapproved Groups: summer-coding
04:02:21 <tuanta_> #chair kushal banas tuanta
04:02:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: banas kushal tuanta tuanta_
04:02:23 <zodbot> banas: Approved Groups: ambassadors designteam cla_done cla_fpca
04:02:26 <zodbot> kushal: User: kushal, Name: Kushal Das, email: kushaldas@gmail.com, Creation: 2006-02-17, IRC Nick: kushal, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 9DD5346D, Status: active
04:02:29 <zodbot> kushal: Approved Groups: +ambassadors @gitpym @gitpathagar cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs packager docs cvsl10n gitliveusb-creator web gitfedora-web @gittranslation-filter sysadmin art gitfedoratv @gitgach @gitlekhonee sysadmin-darkserver @gitpony @git-boog @gitsparcy cla_fpca
04:02:33 <zodbot> amita: amita 'Amita Prabhu' <amitaprabhu@tropmet.res.in> - namitakrishnan 'Namita Krishnan' <namita_krishnan@yahoo.com> - higashimori 'Toshihide Higashimori' <higashimori@kyoceramita.co.jp> - amitavain 'Amitava Singh' <amitavain@gmail.com> - amitabhsinghmail 'Amitabh Singh' <amitabhsinghmail@gmail.com> - amitava '' <amitava_77@yahoo.com> - amitayc66 'Amitay Cohen' <amitayc66@gmail.com> - aphukan 'Amitakhya Phukan' (1 more message)
04:02:44 <tuanta_> #chair amita
04:02:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: amita banas kushal tuanta tuanta_
04:02:54 <tuanta_> hello everyone
04:02:59 <amita> hi all
04:04:31 <tuanta_> we should wait for others for a few minutes
04:05:12 <kushal> tuanta_, no issues :)
04:05:15 <banas> good morning kushal! although I'm going to crash as soon as this one is over ;)
04:05:33 <kushal> banas, I am trying black coffee :)
04:06:19 <banas> kushal: argh, I'm in hostel, so I have to do with a facewash :P
04:06:34 * banas checks any updates on the wiki
04:06:38 <kushal> banas, bath in cold water also does the trick
04:06:50 <banas> lol :D
04:09:30 <tuanta_> ok, lets start
04:09:32 <amita> banas, kushal ..having a kid will keep you awake always :D
04:09:41 <amita> no need of coffee and cold water
04:09:48 <tuanta_> #topic Event info
04:10:01 <tuanta_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hanoi_SFD_2014
04:10:25 <tuanta_> I hope you all understand what we are doing at SFD
04:10:39 <kushal> tuanta_, I want to put in few words for this.
04:10:54 <tuanta_> ok, go ahead, kushal
04:11:34 <kushal> As this is a meet after long time for Ambassadors from APAC, we should try to get as many plans for future (2015) events.
04:11:58 <kushal> and make sure that we spend our time to bring more contributors to the project.
04:12:10 <tuanta_> +1 kushal
04:12:28 <amita> tuanta_, May I add something
04:12:34 <nangthang> .fas nangthang
04:12:35 <zodbot> nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' <thangnguyennang1988@gmail.com>
04:12:39 <kushal> There is a sad scenario where many people wants to contribute but only in Ambassador project
04:12:48 <tuanta_> also prepare for APAC FAD and FUDCon
04:12:50 * banas watches out for points to add to the wiki
04:13:04 <kushal> as they think they only have to talk but that is wrong.
04:13:45 <kushal> I will provide a talk and initial plans to on board more contributors. Hoping to get more ideas.
04:14:11 <kushal> tuanta_, go on.
04:14:25 <tuanta_> ok, you are right, kushal
04:15:05 <tuanta_> lets be active in other sections then you will have things to talk as an Ambassador
04:15:41 <banas> yep, +1, we started a discussion on this in fossasia too, but it was brief. I've added it to the wiki.
04:15:50 <kushal> tuanta_, like the way we handle it here in India (me and mbuf).
04:16:16 <tuanta_> I would like to repeat the Event goals:
04:17:16 <tuanta_> 1. A Fedora Ambassadors meetup to discuss about our collaboration (in APAC), events, schedules, budget, etc.
04:17:45 <tuanta_> 2. Present for Fedora in SFD Hanoi (day 2)
04:18:48 <tuanta_> any questions?
04:19:00 <amita> tuanta_, I want to add one thing
04:19:15 <banas> I have one, after amita :)
04:19:21 <amita> I am very well convinced what kushal said
04:19:31 <tuanta_> go ahead, amita
04:19:35 <amita> and that is the way to do it actually..
04:20:07 <amita> I have started with Fedora QA and now I have something to talk about.. So it should be this way only..not only talks
04:20:27 <amita> I would like to add one more topic for discussion -- why we have less women contributors in open source and how women can join open source community easily,
04:20:45 <amita> how they can start doing small things to contribute.
04:20:52 <amita> Also, how a community needs to provide more flexibility for a women contributor to beat this ratio margin of men and women.
04:21:26 <kushal> amita, to the last point
04:21:40 <kushal> amita, that does not mean we reduce the bar for anyone.
04:21:56 <amita> kushal, I did not mean that
04:22:03 <amita> not at all
04:22:20 <kushal> amita, flexibility generally goes in that direction.
04:22:25 <amita> flexibility not in terms of technology or contribution
04:22:59 <tuanta_> I understood, amita
04:23:03 <tuanta_> and +1 kushal
04:23:04 <kushal> amita, we all are volunteers, we do not put in any direct terms to anyone. People come in their own choice.
04:23:06 <amita> tuanta_, thanks
04:23:17 <amita> kushal, I agree
04:23:17 <tuanta_> how about you, banas ?
04:23:54 <amita> tuanta_, kushal I can talk about it in length
04:24:13 <amita> kushal, we can discuss this in SFD
04:24:36 <tuanta_> ping banas,
04:24:45 <kushal> banas, wake up :)
04:24:52 <amita> I will put my points in detail and you all can help in which direction we can provide flexibility
04:24:54 <banas> tuanta_: About the SFD sessions - since we're joining with another organization for this, have they thought of the schedule yet?
04:25:28 <tuanta_> yes, of course. but in Vietnamese :(
04:25:47 <tuanta_> I will summarize to Fedora team later
04:25:55 <banas> oops. so do we do a separate English room, or how will it work?
04:26:16 <banas> ah, ok, later then :)
04:26:18 <tuanta_> nangthang, can you take this task?
04:27:08 <tuanta_> #action nangthang to coordinate Fedora schedule in SFD
04:27:28 <tuanta_> ok, lets move to the main topic
04:27:37 <tuanta_> #topic Tickets
04:27:58 <tuanta_> well, there are not many participants registered
04:28:07 <tuanta_> I think people is a bit busy at this time
04:28:28 <tuanta_> It may be easier for APAC FAD on Nov
04:28:51 <kushal> tuanta_, do you have any dates for NOV FAD?
04:29:06 <tuanta_> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014
04:29:35 <tuanta_> beside there of us living in Hanoi, we have got 5 registrations
04:29:44 <tuanta_> all need funds
04:30:04 <kushal> tuanta_, okay.
04:30:08 <kushal> tuanta_, thanks.
04:30:18 <tuanta_> Somvannda seems not know that he needs to open a ticket
04:30:35 * tuanta_ is checking Trac
04:31:18 <tuanta_> I will ask him later
04:31:49 <tuanta_> since he is event owner of the next FAD so I hope he can come to Hanoi at this time
04:32:08 <tuanta_> we have four tickets to discuss today
04:33:11 <tuanta_> I have some questions to all of you
04:33:28 <amita> tuanta_, yes please
04:34:18 <tuanta_> Do you really like to attend SFD?
04:34:19 <tuanta_> Do you still attend SFD Hanoi without fund support or with partial support?
04:34:57 <banas> tuanta_: easier if we answer these on the tickets, right?
04:35:21 <tuanta_> from my side, I will see who is the most active contributors and most suitable people for the meetup as well as SFD
04:36:06 <kushal> tuanta_, +1
04:36:09 <tuanta_> I want to make decisions today, so it is good if you can answer here
04:36:26 <kushal> tuanta_, I want to go ahead and answer.
04:36:34 <banas> oh yes, alick isn't here. cool, sounds good to me :)
04:36:56 <tuanta_> another similar question is: "Why do you want to attend the Hanoi SFD?"
04:37:12 <tuanta_> hope you get my points here
04:37:38 <tuanta_> I will ask absent people later
04:39:27 <tuanta_> so you, kushal banas amita, have you got an answer right now?
04:39:39 <tuanta_> just keep it very short
04:39:46 <kushal> tuanta_, I want to attend the SFD as this will help to get in sync with all other mentors and get our 2015 initial plans ready and most important is about setting path to get more contributors to other parts of Fedora . I will not be able to come with full funding.
04:41:41 <amita> tuanta_, For me, reason is very simple.. I am working in Open Source organization for past 3 years now,
04:41:41 <amita> I have been contributing since past 1 year in different areas - Fedora QA, purposing badges, getting people involved, writing stuff about Fedora
04:41:41 <amita> But in every area, I feel women are less, I want to support them, help them to be part of this community.
04:41:41 <amita> This event will help me understand/discuss about it.
04:42:16 <amita> and  I will not be able to come without full funding.
04:42:31 <amita> kushal,  I will not be able to come with full funding ?
04:42:47 <kushal> s/with/without
04:43:07 <tuanta_> :)
04:43:12 <amita> :)
04:43:19 <tuanta_> it is different meaning
04:43:24 <tuanta_> opposite
04:43:32 <tuanta_> and banas?
04:43:50 <tuanta_> frankly speaking, I expect more contributors from other countries to join. There should be 1-2 person(s) per country, that's enough
04:44:04 <tuanta_> then we can reserve more money for APAC FAD on Nov
04:44:16 <tuanta_> it is more important event
04:44:27 <banas> Fedora stuff: I'm pretty active in the community, and I also just got done with my second GSoC. As I'm a new ambassador & since the budget planning happens in this meet, it's the perfect opportunity for me to learn how it's done and contribute my points.
04:44:28 <banas> SFD: I've done a local one before and can help with any sessions students need, since I'm one myself.
04:45:05 <banas> Funding - I'm a student, so I'll require full funding to make it.
04:45:11 <tuanta_> and I have just recognized that budget reserved for FAD is even lower than SFD :(
04:45:43 <tuanta_> then personally, I would like to cut SFD budget down for FAD
04:46:26 <tuanta_> about $1,000, and it would be reserved for FAD on Nov
04:47:06 <tuanta_> and now, I have more reasons to do that since there are not many countries join into this initiative
04:47:15 <kushal> tuanta_, agreed.
04:47:16 <tuanta_> thanks all
04:47:22 <tuanta_> I got your points
04:47:57 <tuanta_> so we have people from: India, China, Cambodia and Vietnam, right?
04:48:12 <kushal> Yes.
04:48:27 <tuanta_> all Vietnamese do not need fund support so they are welcome all
04:49:03 <tuanta_> there are only one person from Cambodia and one from China and they are all really active recently
04:49:10 <kushal> tuanta_, can you ping KageSenshi?
04:49:32 <tuanta_> I contacted to him
04:49:38 <kushal> tuanta_, okay.
04:49:40 <tuanta_> he can not make it to Hanoi
04:49:52 <tuanta_> but he can help us for reimbursement, of course
04:50:21 <kushal> tuanta_, okay.
04:50:22 <tuanta_> there are three of you from India. To be honest, I would like to choose two of you
04:50:41 <tuanta_> kushal, are you willing to be the first?
04:50:59 <tuanta_> you are one of the most recently active person in India
04:51:12 <tuanta_> and you are a mentor we asll
04:51:22 <tuanta_> as well*
04:52:29 <kushal> tuanta_, I am ok with that.
04:53:59 <tuanta_> cool, thanks
04:55:14 <nangthang> I have to go outside now, I will read meeting logs later
04:55:51 <kushal> nangthang, good bye
04:56:12 <banas> nangthang: yep, there's an action for you :D
04:58:46 <tuanta_> I am not sure completely about your cases, banas and amita
04:59:06 <tuanta_> let me deal with alick and somvannda first, then I will make the decision
04:59:54 <tuanta_> in the mean time, please be active, propose your goals, talks, activities, etc.
05:00:25 <tuanta_> you can put into your tickets or add them directly to the wiki if possible
05:00:37 <tuanta_> all contributions are welcome
05:00:43 <tuanta_> for better event
05:01:23 <tuanta_> it has been very long time since we last met face to face and discussed about these topics
05:01:41 <tuanta_> are you ok, banas and amita?
05:01:47 <banas> Yep, I actually did add them to the wiki - but I wasn't sure I should add them to my ticket because there's another organization's sessions involved.
05:02:05 <amita> tuanta_, I am fine with it
05:02:14 <tuanta_> please keep everything open on wiki and tickets
05:02:16 <amita> thanks tuanta_
05:02:23 <tuanta_> thanks for understandings
05:02:45 <amita> tuanta_, I would like to back out if it is just banas
05:03:12 <amita> but as two more name  alick and somvannda
05:03:35 <tuanta_> amita, I do not understand your meanings completely
05:03:46 <tuanta_> "back out"
05:03:56 <amita> tuanta_, If you have to think between two of us banas and me
05:04:05 <amita> then I would like to purpose banas should get it
05:04:44 <tuanta_> ok, that's a good point, I think. Thanks amita. I will consider it
05:05:28 <amita> tuanta_, you can consider me for event in November
05:06:46 <amita> tuanta_, I need to make/discuss the same thing - women in open source..
05:06:50 <tuanta_> #agreed Approved $530 travel subsidy for kushal to attend SFD.
05:07:19 <amita> so if you think that will be better event for this discussion, then may be I can attend that one.
05:07:21 <tuanta_> #action tuanta to deal with alick and somvannda for support them to SFD
05:07:51 <tuanta_> #action tuanta to consider to support banas and/or amita to attend SFD
05:08:02 <tuanta_> ok, amita
05:08:11 <amita> thanks tuanta_
05:08:18 <tuanta_> you are welcome
05:08:21 <tuanta_> #topic Visa
05:08:36 <tuanta_> do you have any issues with visa?
05:08:56 <tuanta_> my plan is:
05:09:22 <tuanta_> I will hire a local travel agency here to issue Letter of approval to all participants
05:09:32 <kushal> tuanta_, yes and we need that fast :)
05:09:38 <tuanta_> then you can get Visa on arrival
05:09:42 <kushal> tuanta_, ticket prices are going up :)
05:10:21 <tuanta_> kushal, you can start purchasing your ticket
05:10:28 <kushal> tuanta_, ok
05:10:39 <tuanta_> I will make sure to approve others this weekend
05:11:24 <kushal> btw, banas congratulations for the gsoc completion.
05:11:58 <tuanta_> Services fee for issuing Letter of approval ($5 per one) would be covered at my side
05:12:23 <tuanta_> but you will need to prepare some bucks for Visa on Arrival at the airport
05:12:31 <tuanta_> I will check and give you all information
05:12:45 * banas just updated his ticket with session ideas
05:12:53 <tuanta_> thanks banas
05:13:02 <tuanta_> any questions with Visa?
05:13:24 <banas> kushal: thank you! we have to talk about improving the program too :)
05:13:43 <banas> tuanta_: yes works for me as well.
05:13:48 <kushal> banas, yes, we will have few more discussions on the same.
05:14:47 <banas> All of us Indians should have the same Visa regulations, unless we have diplomats here ;)
05:15:59 <banas> tuanta_: regardless of the subsidy decision, could you please send over an invite for me? I'll have to start permission process in college as well - it's too strict!
05:16:25 <tuanta_> and since amita conceded, I think we can approve fund support for banas in this meeting
05:18:00 <banas> Oh, I just read amita's posts now - makes sense I think, I would most likely not be able to (physically) make it to an event in November either :)
05:18:02 <tuanta_> I hope we can support amita for next times
05:19:02 <amita> tuanta_, I am adding my name to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014
05:19:14 <tuanta_> #agreed Approved travel subsidy maximum $660 for banas to attend SFD
05:20:16 <tuanta_> #action tuanta to modify tickets #135, #136, #137
05:20:33 <tuanta_> banas, I will issue it today after this meeting
05:20:44 <banas> thanks tuanta_ :)
05:21:03 <tuanta_> #topic Open floor
05:21:18 <tuanta_> have you got any other ideas and comments?
05:21:29 <tuanta_> you are welcome, banas
05:21:35 <kushal> tuanta_, nothing as such, I will update the wiki page.
05:21:45 <tuanta_> thanks, kushal
05:21:48 <banas> I'm just wondering how the fedora event is planned.
05:22:01 <banas> Is it done the way we had a hackfest at fossasia?
05:22:08 <banas> or are there talks and such?
05:22:14 <tuanta_> kushal and banas: hope you will help us much to make this event/meetup best
05:22:26 <kushal> tuanta_, as always :)
05:22:38 <banas> tuanta_: we will ;)
05:22:45 <tuanta_> banas, I will check if we can have a dedicated room
05:22:49 <tuanta_> it is trade-off
05:23:07 <tuanta_> if we have that such a room, it would be worse or better
05:23:23 <tuanta_> depend on our audiences
05:23:25 <tuanta_> I am not sure
05:24:01 <kushal> banas, for the fedora contributors meet (day1) I want to have discussions with help from few slides.
05:24:16 <kushal> not formal talk but need to discuss.
05:24:18 <tuanta_> I will have private messages to all Fedora participants to discuss this
05:24:31 <tuanta_> will try to make it after the meeting
05:24:43 <banas> ah I see - I was under the impression the Fedora meetings are attended only by Fedora folks - like an informal discussion
05:25:03 <kushal> banas, not always :)
05:25:05 <banas> kushal, tuanta_ : alright!
05:25:09 <amita> tuanta_, can you keep me in that loop
05:25:19 <tuanta_> ok, it is a bit late
05:25:27 <tuanta_> can we close the meeting now?
05:25:31 <kushal> tuanta_, yeah go ahead.
05:25:39 <tuanta_> then we will continue discussion later
05:26:19 <banas> yep, amita requested to be kept in loop, apart from that, +1
05:26:42 <tuanta_> #action tuanta to drop a message to initiate Fedora actual schedule in SFD
05:26:51 <tuanta_> #endmeeting