06:04:33 #startmeeting i18n 06:04:33 Meeting started Wed Aug 27 06:04:33 2014 UTC. The chair is tagoh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:04:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:04:33 #meetingname i18n 06:04:33 The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 06:04:33 #topic agenda and roll call 06:04:34 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-08-27 06:05:00 hi 06:05:13 hi 06:05:24 hi guys 06:05:32 hi 06:06:19 Hi 06:06:25 hi 06:07:21 Hi! 06:07:47 hi 06:08:06 okay, let's get started. 06:08:28 hi 06:08:39 #topic Upcoming schedule 06:08:39 #info 2014-09-02 Alpha Release 06:08:40 #info 2014-09-23 Software Translation Deadline 06:08:40 #info 2014-09-23 Beta Change Deadline 06:08:41 #info 2014-09-23 Accepted Changes 100% Complete 06:11:06 fwiw TC4 image is available though, anyone tried it yet? 06:11:10 Today US morning time we will see F21 going for Alpha Freeze 06:11:31 not yet I tried TC3 06:11:43 I am waiting for TC5 but looks like Gnome test day will happen on TC4 image 06:12:43 aha 06:12:59 anyone seen any net install images? 06:13:11 Why does the "Installation Overview" screen not have a sofware selection anymore? 06:13:22 Where does one choose which desktop one wants to use? 06:13:41 yeah I too see that its not there 06:13:44 i downloaded TC3 yesterday, will install it today 06:13:45 mfabian, where did you install from? dvd? 06:14:40 I used Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-20140819.iso 06:14:43 Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-Alpha-TC3.iso 06:14:47 but anyway it is current design decision of Workstation to additional stuff post-installation - I don't particularly like it though 06:14:56 to install * 06:15:00 I have downloaded TC4 :) from http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21-Alpha-TC4/ 06:15:19 juhp: does http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21-Alpha-TC4/Workstation/x86_64/iso/Workstation-netinst-x86_64-21-Alpha-TC4.iso not work? 06:15:33 mfabian, Live has never provided any software selection :) 06:15:49 tagoh_, thanks I will try that 06:15:56 It offers "Try Fedora" and "Install Fedora" on the first screen. 06:16:19 I didn’t try the live "Try Fedora" but clicked on "Install Fedora". 06:16:23 I didn't see any boot images for TC3, but maybe i was too quick? 06:16:24 ah right we downloaded Workstation product so it should not show desktop selection 06:16:47 paragan: Which product should show desktop selection then? 06:16:49 paragan, well see my comment above about Live :) 06:17:36 mfabian, well might be worth trying netinst.iso 06:17:36 mfabian, I am not sure if we will get that option provided we have no Fedora installation iso available 06:17:51 For TC3 there was no netinst iso. 06:17:54 Trying TC4 now. 06:17:56 okay 06:18:49 I will too later 06:19:05 I wouldn't be surprised if it was still there 06:20:10 paragan, I think it would be nice to still have optjonal groups shown in anaconda for WS 06:20:10 okay, shall we move on 06:20:46 juhp, yeah if one needed optional packages they can be selected 06:21:10 maybe they still will be - and even KDE could be included there IMHO 06:21:40 but may not happen dunno 06:22:18 #topic Outstanding topics 06:22:19 #info #30: review Workstation Technical Specification for i18n (juhp) 06:22:19 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/30 06:22:46 I don't really have much to update on it 06:22:49 looking at the ticket to remember what we need to do next... 06:23:05 I looked earlier and struggled a bit too :) 06:24:12 one thing that has come up a couple of time - is about language support in Workstation - I forget if the Tech Spec touches on it 06:24:34 but I am not sure if we want to make any changes for f21 anyway? 06:24:51 seems late now anyway 06:24:55 guess maybe too late? 06:25:13 maybe better for f22 when we might also have locale subpackaging 06:25:21 agreed 06:25:30 ok 06:26:39 maybe it makes sense to close the ticket though I don't mind keeping it open to track WS i18n 06:26:46 for f21 06:27:11 though a new ticket might be better then still 06:27:14 do we have anything else as tasks on it? 06:27:57 if not, good to close at this moment and open new one as needed, for f22 and so on. 06:28:06 other than above and https://fedorahosted.org/workstation/ticket/7 probably not? 06:28:16 yes 06:28:41 I can't think of anything major/specific anyway 06:28:50 aha 06:29:06 okay then let's close it out then 06:29:19 sure. looks good to me. 06:30:03 juhp: thanks 06:30:09 done 06:30:38 #info #31: Fedora 21 i18n docbeats (tagoh) 06:30:39 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/31 06:30:47 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat 06:32:17 yesterday i started looking for google-noto-fonts new release. It surprise to see the way Google maintain upstream for it. 06:32:37 url's are no more active for earlier source tarballs 06:32:49 aha 06:33:00 welcome to ... 06:33:04 pravins, aha 06:33:07 New tarball has number of missing fonts http://www.google.com/get/noto/pkgs/Noto-hinted.zip 06:33:09 no version :) 06:33:17 hmm 06:33:56 and no explanation anywhere. I have sent email on mailing list noto-font@googlegroups.com , hoping to get some links soon. 06:35:59 okay 06:37:00 basically mentioned here to say, i might need to add some line to Doc beat after update :) 06:37:29 pravins, how does the diff look? 06:38:10 lots of new fonts 06:38:11 I am glad you mentioned it since I was about to ask about it :) 06:38:14 and missing "NotoSansBengaliUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansBengaliUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansDevanagariUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansDevanagariUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansGujaratiUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansGujaratiUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansKannadaUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansKannadaUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansKhmerUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansKhmerUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansLaoUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansLaoUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansMalayalamUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansMalayalamUI.ttf NotoSansTamilUI-Bold.ttf NotoSa 06:38:14 nsTamilUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansTeluguUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansTeluguUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansThaiUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansThaiUI-Regular.ttf NotoSansUgaritic-Regular.ttf NotoSansUI-BoldItalic.ttf NotoSansUI-Bold.ttf NotoSansUI-Italic.ttf NotoSansUI-Regular.t" 06:38:28 pravins, but some missing too? 06:38:35 ah 06:38:44 i am worried for missing files, we should not drop sub-packages for these fonts 06:38:45 hmm 06:39:06 these fonts are available in git but not in release tarball anywhere, that is problem 06:39:13 nothing that can replace them? 06:39:32 No. 06:39:47 pravins, whether problem may depend who you ask ;o) 06:40:25 well suppose there is dumb solution to ship both old and new zip files... hmmm 06:40:50 anyway maybe someone on ml can help... 06:41:06 yeah, hoping for same 06:41:11 would be good to know why all those fonts were dropped anyway 06:41:17 they might think it may be not meet their criteria? 06:41:26 perhaps 06:41:37 Dropped fonts are specifically for UI 06:41:56 so there are non-UI fonts too? 06:42:03 or unhinted fonts? 06:42:05 or going to stop supporting those fonts? 06:42:07 no 06:42:38 tagoh_: no, UI fonts are important for Desktop 06:42:45 from the name, Noto-hinted.zip maybe only hinted ones? 06:42:49 i think in there tarball, they want to provide only single fonts for each script 06:43:05 may be i should create git snapshot and package same. Does that looks good solution? 06:43:22 it will solve our all issues. Will get new fonts with existing all fonts. 06:43:41 yeah I was pondering same... 06:43:56 everything is in git what is the problem? ;o) ;) :) 06:44:04 :) 06:44:16 well it is a problem but nevermind 06:45:12 no difference fonts itself between git and the archive at this moment? 06:45:34 git fonts are updated 06:45:40 aha 06:46:04 our archive is bit older NotoFonts-hinted-2013-08-07.tgz and NotoFonts-unhinted-2013-08-07.tgz 06:47:03 but yes basically same fonts. 06:47:28 I will create git snapshot and package same 06:47:39 okay 06:47:59 anything else for relnotes? 06:50:20 if not let's move on. 06:50:57 git is newer than zip file? 06:51:02 येस् 06:51:06 yes :) 06:51:09 ok 06:52:03 #topic New topic 06:52:03 #info #33: Keep watching MozTrap related discussion (pnemade) 06:52:04 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/33 06:53:47 I got a news from FLTG group about this that Fedora QA people want to check to move to MozTrap for fedora test days 06:56:08 so we need to keep this topic checking.. 06:57:13 can't say more at this moment though, if something is improved with it, worth trying IMHO. 06:57:50 right 06:59:01 though our test cases are mainly focusing/relevant to GUI part, interesting how it involves with it. 06:59:37 any link for moztrap? 07:00:05 for app -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks_and_roles 07:00:14 ah wrong paste 07:00:17 https://moztrap-demo.cloud.fedoraproject.org/moztrap 07:00:49 aha 07:00:53 thanks 07:01:26 I will try to add one topic to magzine on i18n test 07:02:29 great 07:03:47 cool 07:05:11 anything else? 07:06:16 #topic Open Floor 07:06:25 okay, any other topics we want to discuss today? 07:08:46 if not, will stop the meeting shortly 07:10:03 Workstation-netinst-x86_64-21-Alpha-TC4. has a software selection. 07:11:18 I had to enter the https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21-Alpha-TC4/Workstation/x86_64/os/ manually though, without entereing it I always got an error when it tried to find the installation source. 07:12:01 aha 07:13:54 okay, let's stop here then. 07:14:00 thanks everyone for the meeting! 07:14:03 #endmeeting