20:00:18 <sesivany> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2014-09-03
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20:00:23 <sesivany> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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20:00:28 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
20:00:32 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:00:33 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:00:38 <fale> .fas fale
20:00:40 <zodbot> fale: falefel '' <falefel@gmail.com> - wpbastos 'Wellington Pedroso Bastos' <falecom@wellington.eti.br> - mirotest 'miro test' <mirotest@nofale.org> - jwest 'Jakub Westfalewski' <jwest@jwest.pl> - remizoffalex 'Alex Remizoff' <remizoffalex@mail.ru> - italo 'Italo Moreira' <fale.com.italo@gmail.com> - fale 'Fabio Alessandro Locati' <fabiolocati@gmail.com> - bkfaler '' <disposableaddress77@gmail.com> - rfales 'ronald (1 more message)
20:00:52 <mrunge> .fas mrunge
20:00:52 <zodbot> mrunge: mrunge 'Matthias Runge' <mrunge@redhat.com>
20:01:06 <mhroncok> .fas churchyard
20:01:07 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
20:01:50 <heffer> .fas heffer
20:01:52 <zodbot> heffer: heffer 'Felix Kaechele' <felix@fetzig.org> - oaad 'oaad sheffer' <ohad.sheffer@gmail.com>
20:02:05 <kmf> .fas kmf
20:02:06 <zodbot> kmf: kmfcandu 'Kyle Fletcher' <kyle.fletcher@candu.com> - kmf 'Karl Fischer' <kmf@fischer.org.za>
20:02:51 <b10n1k> .fas b10n1k
20:02:57 <zodbot> b10n1k: b10n1k 'jiannis Bonatakis' <jbonatakis@gmail.com> - jobo 'jiannis bonatakis' <california17@gmail.com>
20:03:16 <kubblai> .fas kubblai
20:03:17 <zodbot> kubblai: kubblai 'David Mcnulty' <kubblai@gmail.com>
20:03:35 <sesivany> ok, let's wait a few more minutes, people keep coming.
20:03:51 <mailga> .fas mailga
20:03:52 <zodbot> mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' <mailga@fedoraonline.it>
20:05:17 <sesivany> ok, let's start.
20:05:23 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
20:05:39 <sesivany> any announcements that everyone should hear?
20:05:40 <netSys> .fas netSys
20:05:43 <zodbot> netSys: drnetsys 'Donnie Roberson' <droberson@drnetworksystems.com> - netsysdeb 'Debashis' <debashis@mail.org> - netsys 'Alvaro Castillo' <midgoon@gmail.com>
20:06:04 <netSys> last of them, lol
20:06:04 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
20:06:06 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
20:06:18 <mailga> hello heffer, are you fine?
20:06:44 <heffer> mailga: i'm perfect, thanks :) Hope you're fine too
20:07:01 <mailga> oh yes! Tnx.
20:07:18 <sesivany> hey, fedora 21 alpha is coming!
20:07:31 <netSys> Nice!
20:07:40 <sesivany> there is a go/no-go meeting tomorrow. If it's go it will be released on Tuesday.
20:07:46 <netSys> What about status of GNOME 3 and Wayland support? somebody knows them?
20:08:32 <heffer> awesome :)
20:08:34 <sesivany> netSys: GNOME should work quite fine on Wayland in F21.
20:08:49 <sesivany> netSys: fine enough for early adopters.
20:09:12 <netSys> It's nice to hear D:
20:09:43 <sesivany> netSys: but there are still some bugs that would not be acceptable for general user base, so X will be default for at least another cycle.
20:10:32 <mrunge> what about this ping to Fedora project servers?
20:10:47 <mrunge> I bet, people are joking it's phoning home like Windows
20:10:54 <sesivany> #info there is a F21 alpha go/no-go meeting tomorrow. If it's go it will be released on Tuesday.
20:11:15 <mrunge> that would be difficult to explain to users and interested persons
20:11:44 <netSys> It's understandable. It's little relative bit since Wayland see the world first time
20:11:55 <sesivany> mrunge: that's something new to me, any link?
20:12:22 <mrunge> sesivany, https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1337
20:13:02 <heffer> so, ticket 1337. i see :D
20:13:05 <mrunge> sesivany, and it was briefly discussed on desktop-ml, if I'm right
20:13:29 <sesivany> mrunge: hmmm... interesting.
20:14:26 <sesivany> ok, let's move on to the next topic.
20:14:33 <sesivany> #topic Requests
20:14:35 <mitzie> Sorry for being late!
20:14:38 <mitzie> .fas mitzie
20:14:39 <zodbot> mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <zacharias.mitzelos@gmail.com>
20:14:56 <mhroncok> !
20:15:02 * sesivany is checking the list of tickets
20:15:06 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report/1?sort=ticket&asc=1&page=1
20:15:10 <sesivany> mhroncok: yes?
20:15:47 <mhroncok> some guys from Kosovo are asking if I can go and have a tolk about 3D printing and Fedora on Software Freedom Kosova annual conference
20:16:02 <mhroncok> they don't have money to cover my hotel and travel
20:16:10 <mhroncok> is it acceptable for Fedora to do it?
20:16:13 <sesivany> mhroncok: yeah, I talked to them in person last week.
20:16:39 <sesivany> mhroncok: I told them we could find money for it.
20:16:52 <sesivany> mhroncok: and we indeed can.
20:16:55 <biker> .fas biker
20:16:57 <zodbot> biker: bikerpoet 'William B Morris' <bikerpoet@bellsouth.net> - mustafajava 'Mustafa Babiker Hamad' <mustafa@makeen.sd> - pazbiker57 'Paul Zocco' <pazbiker57@gmail.com> - rugebiker 'Ruben Guerra Marin' <rguerra.marin@gmail.com>
20:16:58 <mhroncok> if I say yes (not sure yet) should I create an event page for it as well? or just a ticket?
20:16:59 <heffer> We have some money left from FrOSCon
20:17:00 <biker> .fas rugebiker
20:17:01 <zodbot> biker: rugebiker 'Ruben Guerra Marin' <rguerra.marin@gmail.com>
20:17:06 <sesivany> we have been underspending this year in fact.
20:17:21 <mhroncok> good, great
20:17:46 <netSys> sounds great
20:17:54 <sesivany> mhroncok: I actually suggested you when they were asking for interesting speakers ;-)
20:18:14 <mhroncok> sesivany: thanks, they've mentioned that
20:18:35 <sesivany> mhroncok: when is the event?
20:19:15 <mhroncok> 25 October
20:19:44 <sesivany> mhroncok: ok, just find out how much it is and file a ticket.
20:19:59 <mhroncok> sesivany: ok, I'll do if I go
20:20:46 <sesivany> mhroncok: I recommend http://www.hostelhan.com/ - cool place to stay, very central.
20:22:15 <sesivany> ok, let's start with tickets.
20:22:55 <kmf> !
20:22:56 <sesivany> #info #398 - Funding for Request for Pretoria Software Freedom Day 2014
20:23:08 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/398
20:23:41 <kmf> sesivany, .... can I close that ticket? We received full funding from Suse :)
20:23:46 <RGeri77> .fas rgeri77
20:23:47 <zodbot> RGeri77: rgeri77 'Rákosi Gergely' <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com>
20:24:24 <kmf> sesivany, the funding came through today
20:24:26 <sesivany> kmf: SUSE is paying it? great :)
20:24:37 <kmf> sesivany, yep
20:24:39 <sesivany> kmf: ok, close it please.
20:25:15 <sesivany> #info The ticket #398 has been closed because the event got funded by SUSE. Thank you, guys! ;)
20:25:47 <kmf> sesivany, done.
20:26:22 <sesivany> kmf: did you contact the other SA ambassador for swag? because we sent him quite a lot of it before IDLELO.
20:26:53 <kmf> sesivany, yes ... we are still trying to hook up
20:27:30 <sesivany> kmf: do you then still need swag from us?
20:27:58 <kmf> sesivany, yes at the moment we have a about 150 people registered
20:28:10 <sesivany> kmf: ok
20:28:25 <kmf> Anish mentioned that he has about 90 Fedora DVD's
20:28:59 <kmf> sesivany, any idea how many badges and stickers where included ?
20:29:43 <sesivany> kmf: uff, I don't remember, but because it was for a large event I think it should be enough.
20:29:57 <kmf> sesivany, cool :)
20:31:12 <kmf> sesivany, can we leave the swag ticket open till I've received it?
20:31:15 <sesivany> RGeri77: I don't think this belongs to our track: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/402 we don't sponsor Flock's speakers. That comes from the Flock budget.
20:32:52 <sesivany> heffer: how was froscon?
20:33:27 <heffer> sesivany: very nice, as always. From the Statistics there were more people than last year but it felt less crowded.
20:33:29 <heffer> Which is nice
20:33:48 <heffer> We gave away lot's of swag but noticed that media isn't as popular as it used to be
20:34:03 <heffer> with most people commenting that they don't have any DVD drives anymore
20:34:05 <sesivany> heffer: has the ticket #404 approved at the last meeting?
20:34:39 <sesivany> heffer: yeah, that's something we discussed in FAmSCo yesterday.
20:34:50 <heffer> it was approved that i should just have my attendees file tickets as long as we're in budget
20:34:59 <heffer> at least from what I remember :D
20:35:02 <sesivany> heffer: the problem is that usb drives are still ~10x more expensive than DVDs :-(
20:35:18 <sesivany> heffer: ok
20:35:25 <robyduck> heffer: btw was the dev room empty?
20:35:49 <heffer> yes it was. unfortunately we were also given the same location as last year which is very far off the charts
20:36:00 <sesivany> heffer: it should be stated in the ticket so that jsimon has some evidence for reimbursement.
20:36:15 <robyduck> aha, ok
20:36:19 <heffer> but that was okay because otherwise we would probably have been short on booth personnel
20:36:49 <heffer> sesivany: okay will add the information on that there is a confirmed budget for FrOSCon from which this will be deducted
20:37:08 <sesivany> heffer: ok, thanks
20:37:14 <sesivany> ok, next ticket.
20:37:46 <sesivany> #info #405 - Barcamp Manchester 2014
20:37:54 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/405
20:38:04 <sesivany> this is open for discussion...
20:38:17 <sesivany> any ambassadors from the UK here?
20:38:38 <sesivany> we need to sponsor at least 500 pounds to have a table there.
20:38:43 <kubblai> i live in manchester
20:39:29 <mhroncok> I think barcamps are good way to promote Fedora
20:39:43 <mhroncok> maybe even better than general linux events
20:39:53 <sesivany> I think we can scrap money for it.
20:39:56 <netSys> I'm living so far of UK :(
20:40:35 <sesivany> and we don't go to many events in the UK.
20:40:44 <sesivany> I myself am for it.
20:40:48 <sesivany> +1
20:40:52 <mhroncok> +1
20:40:55 <kubblai> whats the dates?
20:41:09 <sesivany> kubblai: it's in the ticket.
20:41:15 <kmf> +
20:41:16 <kubblai> sorry im new :)
20:41:18 <kubblai> +1
20:41:22 <heffer> +1
20:41:24 <kmf> +1
20:41:54 <mailga> +1
20:42:02 <sesivany> the actual challenge will be finding a way to pay them :)
20:42:05 <robyduck> +1
20:42:07 <netSys> +1
20:42:18 <sesivany> if they don't support credit cards we're screwed :)
20:43:08 <sesivany> #agreed The ticket #405 has been approved for Silver level sponsorship.
20:43:12 <kubblai> sesivany: what do i need to do if i want to represent fedora there?
20:43:53 <sesivany> kubblai: you should contact Jon Archer who will be a Fedora event owner. At least I guess since he's proposed the event.
20:44:03 <kubblai> ah ok thanks sesivany
20:45:00 <sesivany> #406 should already be approved since it belongs to froscon...
20:45:20 <sesivany> the same applies to #407
20:47:05 <sesivany> mailga, robyduck: any hint how many of each swag item we should ship? Can you please add rough estimations? We'll try to satisfy it.
20:47:53 <robyduck> sesivany: ok, will ad it to the ticket
20:47:59 <robyduck> s/ad/add
20:48:02 <mailga> sesivany: are there any material left? taking a look to the inventory page it seems a little outdated.
20:48:29 <sesivany> currently we have in stock: badges, case badges, Fedora stickers, DVDs, mugs, some baseball caps left, a few pins.
20:49:09 <robyduck> we run out of nearly any swag, so everything is welcome and most of the swags are timeless (release independent)
20:50:00 <sesivany> robyduck: I've got a plenty of badges, case badges, fedora stickers, still quite enough DVDs, but it's limited, pins and baseball caps are almost gone.
20:50:34 <sesivany> robyduck: ok, I'll try to supply you as much as I can.
20:50:35 <robyduck> sesivany: I should still have some pins, but stickers, badges etc are very welcome
20:51:01 <robyduck> we will have 4 or 5 requests I guess, same as last year
20:52:04 <sesivany> ok, that's all for requests.
20:52:08 <robyduck> sesivany: and please add the two polo shirts for frafra (never got one) and our new ambassador fale (should be here too)
20:52:24 * fale is here
20:52:38 <sesivany> robyduck: ok
20:52:48 * kmf never got one too
20:52:50 <robyduck> thanks a bunch
20:53:02 <fale> thankyou :)
20:53:36 <sesivany> mailga: btw what is "normal" size for frafra? :-)
20:54:01 <netSys> take care with M size. It's bit large
20:54:08 <mailga> sesivany: :-D medium?
20:54:23 <sesivany> mailga: ok, medium it is.
20:54:56 <sesivany> #topic Ambassador's schedule
20:55:02 <sesivany> #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:55:22 <mailga> netSys: larger is better than squeezer :-D
20:55:45 <kubblai> maybe he wants to show off his muscles mailga :)
20:56:01 <netSys> Yes but, I have a polo sent by cwickert some years ago was M. And I requested a new polo and sizes are !=
20:56:09 <mailga> kubblai: :-D
20:56:19 <fale> frafra just confirmed me that M is ok :)
20:56:23 <netSys> >.<
20:56:25 <sesivany> ok, the schedule
20:56:33 <sesivany> is it correct?
20:56:36 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:56:37 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:56:48 <sesivany> it says alpha release on Oct 14th which is quite late.
20:57:49 <kubblai> how do i request a fedora polo, i need to compete with the debian mugs at work ?
20:59:08 <robyduck> sesivany: yes it is correct
20:59:40 <robyduck> beta release
20:59:51 <sesivany> kubblai: just file a ticket in the EMEA trac and assign it to kmrstiko
21:00:28 <sesivany> kubblai: active ambassadors are eligible to get one polo every other year.
21:00:36 <mailga> kubblai: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report
21:00:42 <kubblai> ok thanks
21:00:58 <sesivany> speaking of the schedule, the season of test days has started!
21:01:03 <sesivany> #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/QA/?subject=Test+Day
21:01:40 <sesivany> please promote them in your local communities, we need to do a lot of testing to have a solid release.
21:02:02 <sesivany> #info The season of test days has started! Promote it in your local community.
21:02:53 <sesivany> it's also time to prepare swag for F21. If you have any ideas, propose them in the trac or on the mailing list.
21:03:12 <heffer> i'm all for beer coasters :D
21:03:31 <sesivany> #info it's also time to prepare swag for F21. If you have any ideas, propose them in the trac or on the mailing list.
21:03:46 <robyduck> heffer: \o/
21:05:01 <sesivany> heffer: ok, I'll look into that.
21:05:27 <sesivany> #action sesivany to find out how much Fedora beer coaster would be.
21:05:55 <kubblai> sesivany that will involve visiting numerous breweries!
21:06:10 <sesivany> #heffer do you mean an ordinary paper ones or some special plastic ones like we had at FUDCon EMEA in Paris?
21:07:27 <heffer> i personally would prefer the classical paper ones as i find them more stylish
21:07:34 <robyduck> sesivany: the plastic ones were very nice but not really practical
21:07:43 <sesivany> heffer: http://www.gifty.cz/pivni-tacky.html - I will contact them tomo.
21:07:52 <netSys> sorry guys, but I have to leave. Tomorrow I get drive license in the morning
21:08:07 <netSys> drive license exam*
21:08:17 <sesivany> heffer: they say they can do any shapes, so we can get coasters in the shape of the Fedora logo.
21:08:18 <heffer> but i guess the plastic ones would be more sustainable :D
21:08:18 <robyduck> netSys: good luck, see you
21:08:28 <kubblai> good luck netSys
21:08:30 <heffer> that would be pretty awesome!
21:08:37 <netSys> thank you, take a good night!
21:08:46 <sesivany> ok, let's move on...
21:08:47 <netSys> :-*
21:08:57 <sesivany> #topic Events
21:09:35 <sesivany> any events in the near future?
21:09:48 <mhroncok> linuxdays prague
21:09:52 <sesivany> heffer: can I still count with you for LinuxCon Europe?
21:09:53 <gnokii> september is nothing, just october
21:10:55 <heffer> sesivany: yes. will you support me with planning on that one? i have no idea how this type of event works
21:11:01 <heffer> i've never been to a linuxcon
21:11:25 <mhroncok> sesivany: update this later: https://docs.google.com/a/hroncok.cz/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApPPPT_0ADeBdFhPdDJvVHVNVlJGMHNZLWRsUE5hMEE&usp=drive_web#gid=0
21:11:54 <sesivany> heffer: I got 4 tickets, so if it's me and you, then we still have tickets for two people.
21:12:08 <gnokii> mhroncok: can be hard to reach michal under suse.cz
21:12:18 <mhroncok> where is linuxcon?
21:12:26 <heffer> Düsseldorf
21:12:28 <sesivany> mhroncok: you can count me in, don't know about jreznik.
21:12:30 <mhroncok> gnokii: he knows about the table
21:12:49 <mhroncok> gnokii: he is one of the organisers
21:13:04 <sesivany> heffer: and we will need some reasonably priced hotel in a reasonable distance from the venue.
21:13:05 <gnokii> I know
21:13:14 <heffer> sesivany: that should be possible :)
21:13:20 <heffer> i'll take care of that
21:13:56 <sesivany> heffer: I'll take care of swag, booth equipment, and dealing with the Linux Foundation.
21:14:04 <heffer> great!
21:14:13 <heffer> thanks!
21:15:19 <sesivany> #action heffer to look for accommodation for LinuxCon Europe
21:16:05 <sesivany> heffer: you can also ask German ambassadors if they want to come. We could also ask people from other countries if we have money left for their travel costs.
21:16:13 <heffer> will do
21:17:43 <sesivany> gnokii: when does OpenRheinRuhr take place?
21:18:11 <gnokii> november 08/09th
21:18:35 <sesivany> that's still pretty far away.
21:19:27 <sesivany> ok, I think we're done with events, aren't we?
21:20:39 <sesivany> #topic Open Floor
21:20:54 <robyduck> sesivany: what about starting to plan for EMEA FAD?
21:20:59 <sesivany> if you have any other topic to discuss, now it's your time.
21:21:07 <sesivany> robyduck: good call!
21:21:30 <sesivany> we need to start organizing that one as soon as possible.
21:21:54 <robyduck> we could at least open the discussion and make it a topic for the next meeting, with Gerold
21:22:04 <mailga> maybe we should ping Gerold.
21:22:24 <sesivany> robyduck: could you please write Gerold if he's willing to hold it in Rheinfelden?
21:22:28 <gnokii> wasnt that already the conclusion from flock?
21:22:38 <sesivany> I'm deep in work load :-(
21:22:42 <robyduck> yes, I will do that
21:23:10 <sesivany> gnokii: yes, but we need to find out if Gerold is willing to do it in Rheinfelden again.
21:23:23 * mhroncok brb
21:23:32 <sesivany> if not, cwickert proposed Berlin and I can also host it in Brno.
21:23:56 <heffer> I might be meeting Gerold in person next week
21:24:18 <robyduck> Berlin would be a good option IMHO if Gerold can't do it this year
21:24:26 <sesivany> mhroncok: I'm pretty sure Prague would work, too ;)
21:24:40 <gnokii> robyduck: Milano and please send me the lear
21:25:25 <robyduck> gnokii: :)
21:25:34 <sesivany> who would come to EMEA FAD this year?
21:25:44 <heffer> <-
21:25:47 <sesivany> I would :)
21:26:01 * mailga would
21:26:07 <robyduck> *me
21:27:17 <robyduck> sesivany: last year's idea was fine, we had people from many countries
21:28:09 <sesivany> we should get ambassadors from at least 8-10 countries.
21:28:15 <robyduck> +1
21:28:22 <mhroncok> Prague would not be a problem
21:28:22 <mailga> +1
21:28:52 <kmf> +1
21:29:01 <gnokii> yeah but greeks get domitory and sesivany and i sleep in diplomat
21:29:24 <sesivany> gnokii: :)
21:29:58 <sesivany> ok, is it everything for tonight's meeting?
21:31:21 <sesivany> it seems to be everything.
21:31:35 <sesivany> ok, thank you for attending and meet you in two weeks!
21:31:48 <mhroncok> thanks sesivany
21:31:50 <mhroncok> bye
21:31:53 <kmf> ta good night
21:32:03 <heffer> see you
21:32:04 <robyduck> see you
21:32:07 <sesivany> #endmeeting