06:07:03 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
06:07:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep  3 06:07:03 2014 UTC.  The chair is tagoh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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06:07:03 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
06:07:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:07:03 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:07:04 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-09-03
06:07:15 <mfabian> Hi ☺
06:07:21 <epico> hi
06:07:33 <tagoh_> hi, sorry for late start, shall we have i18n meeting
06:10:40 <tagoh_> hm, okay. let's get started.
06:10:53 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:10:54 <tagoh_> #info 2014-09-09        Alpha Release
06:10:54 <tagoh_> #info 2014-09-30        Software Translation Deadline
06:10:54 <tagoh_> #info 2014-09-30        Beta Change Deadline
06:10:55 <tagoh_> #info 2014-09-30        Accepted Changes 100% Complete
06:13:02 <tagoh_> well, just fyi
06:13:37 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:13:37 <tagoh_> #info #31: Fedora 21 i18n docbeats (tagoh)
06:13:37 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/31
06:14:14 <tagoh_> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
06:15:26 <juhp> hi
06:15:45 <tagoh_> thanks for updates. feel free to add if we have anything else.
06:16:04 <juhp> "How to change IM on GNOME?"?
06:17:26 <tagoh_> need to check if the method we had explained in the past still works.
06:18:47 <juhp> ok
06:20:34 <tagoh_> guess better move on?
06:21:09 <tagoh_> #info #33: Keep watching MozTrap related discussion (pnemade)
06:21:10 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/33
06:21:33 <tagoh_> any updates?
06:26:02 <tagoh_> paragan: ^
06:28:19 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:28:19 <tagoh_> #info #32: Fedora 21 i18n test day (tagoh)
06:28:20 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/32
06:29:35 <tagoh_> hm, well, it was scheduled yesterday though, still open to see some feedbacks so please join when you have a time.
06:31:21 <tagoh_> anything else for test day?
06:36:17 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:36:25 <tagoh_> any other topics we want to discuss in the meeting?
06:38:26 <juhp> hmm very quiet meeting
06:38:51 <mfabian> ibus-kkc has some problems with the German keyboard layout.
06:39:33 <tagoh_> mfabian: aha. what's that?
06:39:38 <mfabian> Found that yesterday when trying to help chorn to type 「」 with ibus-kkc. It turned out that he could not type this because he was using the German layout.
06:40:04 <mfabian> chorn said he will report the bug, but apparently he hasn’t done that yet, I’ll do it later than.
06:40:31 <mfabian> [] are on the German layout typed with RightAlt+8 and RightAlt+9.
06:40:44 <mfabian> ibus-kkc just inserts [] then, not 「」
06:41:02 <mfabian> Works fine with the US and the Japanese layouts where [] are regular keys.
06:41:16 <tagoh_> aha
06:42:10 <juhp> hmm
06:42:35 <juhp> good catch it sounds like
06:42:53 <mfabian> I never noticed because I use a modified US layout.
06:43:06 <juhp> after rebooting my host seems net is working better on my TC5 install
06:43:48 <tagoh_> btw just wanted to know if anyone else see this issue
06:43:54 <tagoh_> .bug 1136623
06:43:57 <zodbot> tagoh_: Bug 1136623 The input context is disabled with the popup window - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1136623
06:44:45 <tagoh_> can't remember I have seen this issue since when.
06:45:40 <mfabian> tagoh_: How to get such a popup window?
06:46:05 <tagoh_> like a notification from chrome extension etc?
06:46:49 <juhp> hmm
06:47:34 <juhp> not sure
06:47:56 <mfabian> Does the popup window steel the focus?
06:48:09 * juhp looks at the f21 gnome-initial-setup bug
06:49:47 <mfabian> I did not see gnome-initial-setup in TC4, somehow it seemed to be missing and no Japanese input method was configured. Therefore, I reported https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1134826
06:49:48 <tagoh_> mfabian: well, dunno. but still be able to keep typing something on apps after popped up.
06:50:11 <mfabian> tagoh_: I am thinking how i could try to reproduce that ...
06:50:59 <tagoh_> okay. let me try to find out the easier way to reproduce it.
06:51:56 <mfabian> “Click to focus” or “Focus follows mouse” or doesn’t this matter?
06:52:03 <juhp> mfabian, thanks - I guess because no g-i-s
06:52:37 <tagoh_> mfabian: ah. good point - I use "Focus follows mouse".
06:52:43 <tagoh_> let me check that too
06:53:49 <juhp> tagoh_, ah
06:54:05 <juhp> mfabian, interesting your bug is still assigned to Jaspar
06:54:14 <juhp> e
06:54:20 <mfabian> He left Red Hat.
06:54:27 <juhp> I noticed
06:54:33 <juhp> mine is not :)
06:55:54 <juhp> .bug 1116316
06:55:56 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 1116316 gnome-initial-setup not appearing up after Live Workstation install - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1116316
06:56:36 <paragan> tagoh_, sorry was in another meeting
06:56:42 <paragan> no updates on MozTrap
06:58:01 <paragan> I think it takes some time to change bugzilla component owners
06:58:09 <rexybytes> exit
07:00:07 <mfabian> By the way, why does the preedit look different when I am using firefox? In ibus-table, the preedit is underlined or, if one commits stuff to preedit to define a new shortcut, the preedit is red or green (and underlined). In Firefox, the regular preedit is also underlined, but the stuff committed to preedit is not red and green but white on a blue background.
07:00:10 <tagoh_> paragan: sure. thanks
07:02:42 <tagoh_> spell checker or something like that?
07:02:44 <tagoh_> dunno
07:03:19 <mfabian> It is still in preedit, so the spellchecker should not yet have it.
07:04:02 <juhp> gtk2?
07:05:39 <juhp> or maybe firefox is doing something special
07:06:21 <mfabian> Similar effect when using ibus-kkc in firefox and narrowing the conversion region with Control-i, the colour of the narrowed conversion region is different in firefox compared to how it looks like in gedit or gnome-terminal.
07:06:24 <epico> maybe firefox overrides the ibus attributes?
07:06:33 <mfabian> The colour in firefox is again white on blue.
07:06:58 <mfabian> epico: Yes, it looks like the attributes set by ibus-kkc and ibus-table are ignored in firefox.
07:07:35 <epico> ibus engine sends attributes to apps, actually apps decide what to render...
07:13:15 <tagoh_> hm, anything else?
07:17:19 <tagoh_> if not, will close the meeting
07:20:22 <tagoh_> okay, stop here then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
07:20:30 <tagoh_> #endmeeting