06:10:16 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
06:10:16 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 10 06:10:16 2014 UTC.  The chair is tagoh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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06:10:16 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
06:10:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:10:16 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:10:16 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-09-10
06:10:23 <mfabian> Hi ☺
06:10:27 <dueno> hi
06:10:30 <tagoh_> hi guys
06:10:46 <paragan> hi
06:11:03 <tagoh_> dunno if we have any updates on the topics but might be a quick meeting.
06:11:43 <fujiwarat> hi
06:11:51 <juhp> hi
06:12:21 <epico> hi
06:13:46 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:13:53 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:13:54 <tagoh_> #info 2014-09-16        Alpha Release
06:13:54 <tagoh_> #info 2014-10-07        Software Translation Deadline
06:13:54 <tagoh_> #info 2014-10-07        Beta Change Deadline
06:13:54 <tagoh_> #info 2014-10-07        Accepted Changes 100% Complete
06:14:00 <anish_> Hi
06:14:23 <tagoh_> as you know alpha slipped one week. other schedules are also updated.
06:15:21 <juhp> can we expect another week of slip?
06:16:01 <juhp> still no RCs
06:16:22 <tagoh_> right
06:17:04 <tagoh_> one blocker bug is still in ASSIGNED.
06:17:26 <tagoh_> and one is being proposed as blocker
06:19:41 <tagoh_> might be likely if those isn't fixed and no RCs by tomorrow.
06:20:44 <tagoh_> anyway
06:21:17 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:21:18 <tagoh_> #info #31: Fedora 21 i18n docbeats (tagoh)
06:21:18 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/31
06:21:21 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
06:22:23 <tagoh_> not yet tested with other IM to write how-to. will do shortly
06:22:45 <juhp> thanks
06:24:25 <juhp> fujiwarat, how about more context for "ibus reset-config"? like when should one use it?
06:25:12 <juhp> epico, adobe-source-han-sans-cn is default for Alpha, right?
06:25:38 <epico> juhp, yes, currently I pushed a new update for it.
06:25:49 <juhp> thanks
06:25:59 <epico> welcome
06:26:50 <tagoh_> finished all of relevant changes right?
06:27:21 <fujiwarat> juhp: ok, I try to add a comment for the troubleshoot.
06:28:13 <tagoh_> anaconda, and comps...
06:28:14 <juhp> .whoowns ekmukta-fonts
06:28:14 <zodbot> juhp: pnemade
06:28:34 <juhp> paragan, how much coverage does ekmukta have actually?
06:28:43 <paragan> devanagari
06:28:59 <epico> tagoh_, yes
06:29:08 <juhp> ok
06:29:29 <tagoh_> epico: I see
06:29:48 * juhp made a few tweaks to the docsbeat
06:31:21 <tagoh_> juhp: thanks
06:32:39 <tagoh_> anything else?
06:32:45 <fujiwarat> done
06:34:51 <tagoh_> if not, let's move on then.
06:35:04 <tagoh_> #info #33: Keep watching MozTrap related discussion (pnemade)
06:35:05 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/33
06:35:11 <tagoh_> guess no updates on this?
06:38:50 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:38:50 <tagoh_> #info #32: Fedora 21 i18n test day (tagoh)
06:38:51 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/32
06:39:03 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2014-09-02_i18n
06:39:55 <tagoh_> still open to see more feedback on i18n test day. please test your language and add the result to wiki.
06:41:42 <lijli> sure, thanks
06:43:10 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:43:20 <tagoh_> any other topics we want to discuss in this meeting?
06:43:56 <juhp> were there any surprises from the i18n testing so far?
06:45:26 <tagoh_> juhp: not at this point
06:46:22 <mfabian> I could not install TC6, neither the netinstall nor the live image, both gave me the “pane is dead”.
06:47:08 <tagoh_> mfabian: oh
06:48:26 <mfabian> I read in bugzilla the the i386 image works, will try that today.
06:48:34 <juhp> mfabian, oh - thanks - has live been reported?
06:48:36 <juhp> oh
06:48:54 <mfabian> juhp: I added a comment to the bug that live fails for me as well.
06:48:56 <juhp> saved my a 1GB download later anyway
06:49:00 <juhp> mfabian, great
06:50:39 <tagoh_> I did it but not yet tried...
06:52:11 <mfabian> I changed the properties in ibus-table a bit.
06:52:15 <mfabian> http://imagebin.org/319248  <- old properties in ibus-table, all icons in the floating toolbar are toggles,for example the 2nd icon from the left 簡 toggles between the 5 Chinese modes. The colours of the green, pink, and blue smarties do not indicate what these buttons are for.
06:52:22 <mfabian> http://imagebin.org/319248 <- new properties in ibus-table, there are no icons in the toolbar anymore, only text. All entries in the toolbar (except the setup button on the right) are menus now, not toggles. Pinyin mode switch is obvious now, The “onechar mode” “☐ 1” and the direct commit mode “☑ ↑” are at least somewhat distinguishable now.
06:52:26 <mfabian> Does that look good?
06:53:06 <juhp> mfabian, same link :)
06:53:22 <mfabian> http://imagebin.org/319244 <- new properties.
06:53:56 <juhp> mfabian, likes nicer to me, not that is I count ;)
06:54:12 <juhp> I always disliked this "silly" icons
06:54:14 <juhp> those
06:55:04 <epico> guess you used symbols? maybe looks better on gnome shell.
06:55:14 <juhp> mfabian, ↑ ?
06:55:24 <juhp> caps?
06:55:26 <mfabian> I think the menus are better than toogles, and it is closer to Allan Day’s ideas for the design.
06:55:49 <mfabian> epico: It  looks the same on gnome-shell, but the floating toolbar is not there on gnome-shell.
06:56:05 <juhp> probably one has to try then - maybe hard to capture all in a screenshot - but looks better to me
06:56:32 <mfabian> ↑ switches between “direct commit mode” and “normal commit mode“.
06:56:40 <juhp> oh
06:56:45 <mfabian> It is difficult to explain what the difference is.
06:56:49 <epico> but gnome shell has menu, and new properties follows gnome design I think.
06:56:57 <mfabian> I have no idea how to express that in a symbol or icon.
06:57:16 <juhp> ok
06:57:32 <juhp> 1 = ?
06:57:35 <epico> I think easier to understand it. :)
06:57:56 <mfabian> “normal commit mode” keeps “automatic commits” in preedit, as soon as a manual commit (typing space) happens, the complete text in preedit gets a new shortcut assigned.
06:57:56 <epico> maybe some doc is better?
06:58:10 <mfabian> “Direct commit“ always commits directly to the application.
06:58:50 <mfabian> “☐ 1” indicates whether one uses “Single character mode” or “Multiple character mode”.
06:58:52 <juhp> maybe only reflection is that 1 and ↑ are slightly similar visually
06:58:58 <juhp> aha
06:59:20 <mfabian> Match only single Chinese characters or match longer strings of Chinese characters.
06:59:28 <juhp> anyway see what feedback users give?
06:59:41 <mfabian> Maybe I can find a better symbol for ↑
06:59:49 <mfabian> Yes, I hope I get some feedback.
07:00:03 <juhp> epico, so might be okay?
07:00:25 <juhp> (yeah more docs usually good:)
07:00:43 <juhp> mfabian, looks more like 21st century anyway :)
07:01:08 <mfabian> Yes, I really need to write some docs for the hidden features of ibus-table.
07:03:36 <epico> juhp, if with some docs, the new symbols is easier to understand it.
07:03:45 <juhp> ok
07:03:54 <juhp> mfabian, tooltips?
07:04:17 <mfabian> There are tooltips. Only not visible in the screenshot.
07:04:35 <epico> ah
07:06:08 <juhp> okay
07:09:33 <tagoh_> okay, anything else?
07:12:13 <tagoh_> okay, let's stop here then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
07:12:23 <tagoh_> #endmeeting