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#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-09-16)
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Meeting started by hhorak at 13:01:52 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-09-16/fedora-meeting.2014-09-16-13.01.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* init process  (hhorak, 13:02:53)
  * IDEA: developers of Koschei would like to see Koschei promoted and
    recommend as a good tool for all Fedora packagers  (hhorak,
    13:08:23)

* running Koschei for all Fedora packages (promote and recommend it)
  (hhorak, 13:09:06)
  * LINK: http://koschei.cloud.fedoraproject.org/   (bkabrda, 13:09:16)
  * LINK: https://github.com/msimacek/koschei   (bkabrda, 13:09:23)
  * Koschei only runs scratch builds if overall Koji load is below a
    certain level, but too many packages would mean they'll be rebuilt
    in very long intervals not to overload koji  (hhorak, 13:12:15)
  * there are plans to create a dynamic web UI, where packagers would be
    able to add/remove packages themselves  (hhorak, 13:15:52)
  * ACTION: everbody should find out more about koschei; if everyone
    likes it, we can vote on some sort of formal recommendation next
    time  (hhorak, 13:17:44)

* Language specific mirrors for Fedora Playground compliant packages
  (hhorak, 13:20:56)
  * the idea was a bit discussed on ML already:
    https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2014-September/000507.html
    (hhorak, 13:20:56)
  * fully deployment in RPM for everything does not make sense in
    projects run one-and-only instance in the world  (hhorak, 13:25:17)
  * LINK: http://doc.devpi.net/latest/   (ncoghlan, 13:28:28)
  * the idea is to be able to have a mirror of upstream repositories
    where we could do the initial Fedora Playground checks  (hhorak,
    13:33:34)
  * for python devpi seems to be the way to go with this  (hhorak,
    13:33:34)
  * we could seed the repos by flagging the packages that have already
    been accepted into Fedora, the incremental review model could look
    like language mirror -> Fedora Playground -> Fedora  (hhorak,
    13:33:34)
  * other languages may have their specifics and not so linux based
    upstreams  (hhorak, 13:33:35)
  * un-bundling and similar maintaining work would be solved in the step
    'playground -> Fedora'  (hhorak, 13:38:25)
  * dependencies on some system libraries are complicated, could be
    partly solved by new format wheel and some tricks in devpi  (hhorak,
    13:49:31)
  * we should first create the devpi instance and start experimenting
    with different ways of using it; then when we figure out what/how we
    want to do, we can create a Fedora feature  (hhorak, 13:49:32)
  * ACTION: bkabrda will request an instance in Fedora cloud to start
    playing around with devpi  (hhorak, 13:50:08)
  * ACTION: ncoghlan will do a write-up after we experiment a bit with
    bkabrda's devpi instance  (hhorak, 13:56:55)
  * reasons why developers would not use upstream repo directly and
    rather use Fedora's playground is because they might want the
    additional level of review that Fedora provides + they would get
    precompiled C-extension packages  (hhorak, 14:04:34)

* SCLs, building above them and their position in Fedora/EPEL  (hhorak,
  14:14:45)
  * ACTION: mmaslano will figure out how OpenShift is using SCL in their
    images  (mmaslano, 14:26:37)
  * SCL packaging doesn't have to be mandatory if you use smart enough
    wrapper script for setting up environment  (hhorak, 14:28:15)
  * tools to get the shebang line and spec file right for non-SCL python
    packages depending on SCL might not exist yet  (hhorak, 14:28:15)
  * ACTION: hhorak will be chairman for the next meeting  (hhorak,
    14:32:45)

Meeting ended at 14:32:45 UTC.




Action Items
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* everbody should find out more about koschei; if everyone likes it, we
  can vote on some sort of formal recommendation next time
* bkabrda will request an instance in Fedora cloud to start playing
  around with devpi
* ncoghlan will do a write-up after we experiment a bit with bkabrda's
  devpi instance
* mmaslano will figure out how OpenShift is using SCL in their images
* hhorak will be chairman for the next meeting




Action Items, by person
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* bkabrda
  * bkabrda will request an instance in Fedora cloud to start playing
    around with devpi
  * ncoghlan will do a write-up after we experiment a bit with bkabrda's
    devpi instance
* hhorak
  * hhorak will be chairman for the next meeting
* mmaslano
  * mmaslano will figure out how OpenShift is using SCL in their images
* ncoghlan
  * ncoghlan will do a write-up after we experiment a bit with bkabrda's
    devpi instance
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * everbody should find out more about koschei; if everyone likes it,
    we can vote on some sort of formal recommendation next time




People Present (lines said)
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* ncoghlan (95)
* hhorak (55)
* bkabrda (45)
* juhp_ (35)
* mmaslano (32)
* zodbot (3)
* kushal (1)
* samkottler (0)
* sicampbell (0)
* vpavlin (0)
* tjanez (0)
* juhp (0)
* pkovar (0)




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