06:01:31 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:01:31 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
06:01:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:01:32 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:33 <tagoh_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-10-01
06:01:37 <mfabian> Hi!
06:01:57 <tagoh_> shall we have i18n meeting
06:03:04 <pravins> hi
06:03:27 <sgite> ପଗ
06:03:34 <sgite> hi
06:04:00 <juhp> hi
06:04:59 <ueno> hi
06:05:38 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:05:52 <tagoh_> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:05:52 <tagoh_> #info 2014-10-14        Software Translation Deadline
06:05:52 <tagoh_> #info 2014-10-14        Beta Change Deadline
06:05:53 <tagoh_> #info 2014-10-14        Accepted Changes 100% Complete
06:05:53 <tagoh_> #info 2014-10-28        Beta Release
06:07:11 <tagoh_> 2 weeks for upcoming events. apparently no blockers/fe bugs in i18n for beta though
06:09:11 <tagoh_> anything else we want to talk about the schedule related?
06:11:18 <tagoh_> okay, let's move on then.
06:11:22 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding topics
06:11:23 <tagoh_> #info #31: Fedora 21 i18n docbeats (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:11:23 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/31
06:11:32 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
06:12:17 <juhp> I added i18n to
06:12:20 <juhp> .bug 1038413
06:12:23 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 1038413 fedup stage2 keymap will always be US again for F20-F21 due to anaconda not writing vconsole.keymap kernel parameter any more (#1035316) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1038413
06:13:44 <tagoh_> aha
06:15:48 <tagoh_> does it only affect upgrading?
06:18:03 <tagoh_> for relnotes, that looks good to me. if no topics to add particularly and ready to go, I'll pass it to the docs team.
06:19:15 <juhp> tagoh_, yes I think upgrades
06:20:34 <tagoh_> I see
06:20:52 <tagoh_> any comments on relnotes?
06:20:59 <juhp> tagoh_, it looks okay to me - though wish there was more to say - I just made a few tweaks to Input Methods
06:21:16 <pravins> tagoh_: i am building google-noto-fonts mostly today, it has new 50+ packages
06:21:29 <juhp> subpackages I guess
06:21:42 <tagoh_> pravins: do we want to add something for that in relnotes?
06:21:46 <pravins> yes, subpackages
06:22:11 <juhp> pravins, does that include CJK btw?
06:22:54 <juhp> pravins, anyway sounds great - go for it!
06:23:30 <pravins> juhp: no
06:23:35 <juhp> ah
06:23:48 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, i think good to have it in  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
06:24:37 <tagoh_> pravins: okay. so postpone the discussion to next week then.
06:25:06 <pravins> tagoh_: thanks, i will do the needful mostly today or coming Monday
06:25:24 <tagoh_> pravins: thanks
06:26:33 <tagoh_> #info #33: Keep watching MozTrap related discussion (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:26:33 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/33
06:26:47 <tagoh_> no updates on this topic I guess?
06:27:31 <tagoh_> #topic Outstanding task
06:27:32 <tagoh_> #info #32: Fedora 21 i18n test day (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:27:32 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/32
06:28:02 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2014-09-02_i18n
06:29:43 <tagoh_> still want to see more feedback on it from our team though, I'd encourage you all to do some testing on f21.
06:32:09 <pravins> tagoh_: i see, some of the issues list "Nice to test" are already fixed
06:32:29 <pravins> i will update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2014-09-02_i18n "Nice to test" and remove those issues
06:32:38 <pravins> s/list/listed
06:33:42 <tagoh_> pravins: right. we may need to clean up them too though, particularly if we are confident it won't be regressed again
06:34:01 <juhp> should I open a ticket for merging Printing and Rendering?
06:34:13 <juhp> or removing Printing probably
06:34:38 <pravins> tagoh_: agree, i think if those issues are fixed in upstream we can definitely do it.
06:34:43 <juhp> I guess less (redundant) tests would probably encourage more testing perhaps
06:34:49 <tagoh_> juhp: just adding a comment on the ticket for feedback. we'll review the result later and we can discuss how to improve it next time.
06:35:12 <juhp> okay just don't want to forget about it before F22 :)
06:35:22 <juhp> let me add a comment then
06:35:34 <tagoh_> juhp: thanks
06:36:19 <juhp> though I am almost tempted to merge the results and just remove it now but better I guess
06:36:25 <juhp> better not
06:36:53 <tagoh_> juhp: hm, yes. let's do it for f22
06:37:03 <juhp> yes
06:37:44 <tagoh_> pravins: +1
06:38:26 <tagoh_> anything else for test day?
06:39:52 <tagoh_> if not, let's move on
06:39:55 <juhp> done
06:40:10 <tagoh_> #topic New topic
06:40:10 <tagoh_> #info #34: need Fedora i18n Mission Statement (petersen)
06:40:10 <tagoh_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/34
06:40:26 <juhp> okay i filed this one
06:40:56 <juhp> it occurred to me earlier this week that the Fedora i18n Project doesn't have a Mission Statement
06:41:05 <juhp> probably good to have one?
06:42:00 <tagoh_> have some for short term and long term say?
06:42:24 <juhp> well do we list some goals on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N#The_Fedora_Internationalization_.28I18N.29_Project
06:43:01 <juhp> anyway http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N could do with some love anyway I guess
06:43:15 <juhp> tagoh_, yeah Mission should be long term
06:43:20 <pravins> i think this is good time to do that. specifically when we have Cloud, server and Workstation group with nice mission statement
06:43:34 <juhp> and Base
06:44:13 * pravins always miss Base , thanks juhp  :)
06:45:40 <tagoh_> like handwriting?
06:47:24 <tagoh_> well, dunno if it can be figured out in the meeting. maybe good to move the discussion on the list?
06:48:24 <juhp> tagoh_, no, it should be highlevel not low level shorter term specific goals
06:48:55 <juhp> more to explain what we do, and why and what for etc
06:49:08 <pravins> i think good to prepare some Draft and then send on mailing list for review (addition & deletion)
06:49:35 <tagoh_> sounds good to me.
06:49:56 <juhp> "The Mission of the Fedora i18n Project is to have fantastic international language OS support in Fedora"
06:50:09 <juhp> or something like that - just a quick example
06:51:00 <juhp> pravins, yeah - also good to gather ideas
06:51:16 <juhp> but we could start from some draft
06:51:30 <tagoh_> need some time to think about. let's move the dicsussion on the list.
06:51:37 <juhp> it is quite important really for long term direction
06:51:42 <juhp> okay
06:52:09 <tagoh_> #action move the discussion of the mission statement for i18n to the list
06:52:20 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
06:52:40 <tagoh_> anything else wa want to discuss on this meeting?
06:55:52 <juhp> tagoh_, do you want to discuss about the next meeting?
06:55:59 <tagoh_> yep
06:56:09 <tagoh_> was about to bring it up :)
06:57:37 <tagoh_> I want to suggest to rotate the meeting chair from next week so that we'll see more activities here. any comments for that?
06:59:51 <juhp> +1
06:59:54 <tagoh_> if possible, good to rotate it with all of us though, dunno what order is better.
07:02:26 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1136623
07:02:47 <juhp> that could be good for proaction though maybe we can start with volunteers first?
07:03:11 <tagoh_> juhp: sure.
07:03:21 <tagoh_> that may be good start.
07:04:15 <tagoh_> so who wants to chair next meeting?
07:07:58 <tagoh_> or shall I nominate someone? :)
07:08:04 <pravins> :)
07:08:25 <juhp> pravins, are you volunteering? :)
07:08:40 <pravins> juhp: tagoh_ yes sure :)
07:08:49 <tagoh_> pravins: thanks
07:08:50 <pravins> since i have done one already, good to start with me
07:09:00 <tagoh_> #action parvins to chair next meeting
07:09:21 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: you want to say more for that?
07:10:06 <fujiwarat> tagoh_: I'm thinking if that bug should be fixed in ibus or still wait for chromium.
07:10:14 <juhp> we could also use the #chair command perhaps
07:10:21 <fujiwarat> for f21.
07:10:48 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: me neither. though it won't happens on other IM.
07:11:29 <fujiwarat> ok.
07:12:05 <tagoh_> anything else?
07:12:40 <tagoh_> if not, will close the meeting shortly
07:13:22 <juhp> -> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=351991
07:14:11 <juhp> fujiwarat, so it might interesting how uim avoids the problem
07:14:45 <fujiwarat> juhp: I have already done the code review to avoid the problem.
07:14:50 <juhp> ah cool
07:15:06 <juhp> fujiwarat, so you have a patch? :)
07:15:08 <fujiwarat> However I'm basically thinking it would be a bug in crome.
07:15:13 <juhp> I see
07:15:25 <fujiwarat> OK, will update fedora ibus today.
07:15:31 <tagoh_> cool
07:15:56 <tagoh_> will test it once it is available on testing
07:16:26 <fujiwarat> thx
07:16:49 <tagoh_> okay, let's stop here then.
07:16:55 <tagoh_> thanks everyone for the meeting!
07:16:58 <tagoh_> #endmeeting