06:01:39 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
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06:01:49 <pravins> hi all
06:01:52 <mfabian> Hi!
06:01:54 <paragan> hi
06:01:55 <sgite> hi
06:01:57 <epico> hi
06:01:59 <ueno> hi
06:02:20 <juhp> hi
06:02:27 <pravins> hi mfabian paragan sgite epico ueno :)
06:02:30 <pravins> hi juhp :)
06:02:39 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
06:02:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:03:05 * pravins looking for tagoh_
06:04:19 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:04:51 <pravins> most of us here, lets start for the meeting
06:05:12 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-10-08
06:05:34 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:06:18 <pravins> #info  2014-10-14 Software Translation Deadline
06:06:27 <pravins> #info 2014-10-14 Beta Change Deadline
06:06:33 <pravins> #info 2014-10-14 Accepted Changes 100% Complete
06:06:38 <pravins> #info 2014-10-28 Beta Release
06:07:10 <tagoh_> hi
06:07:37 <pravins> hi tagoh_ :)
06:08:24 <pravins> 2014-10-14 Beta Change Deadline, so if any important fix is required, do make it soon
06:08:45 <pravins> #topc Outstanding topics
06:08:51 <pravins> #topic Outstanding topics
06:09:43 <pravins> #info #31: Fedora 21 i18n docbeats
06:09:51 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/31
06:10:54 <pravins> before the meeting i have added new subpackages available in latest google-noto-fonts (its 44)
06:11:34 <tagoh_> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
06:12:04 <pravins> do we still miss anything in there mfabian paragan sgite epico ueno juhp tagoh_ ?
06:12:51 <juhp> pravins, nice
06:12:52 <pravins> any new package added recently or any important change which should be mentioned there
06:13:29 <paragan> pravins, looks good
06:14:18 <tagoh_> pravins: kinda packages available should be covered by tech notes I think. and unfortunately doc seems moving to git. we need to open a bz to reflect the changes to the gold.
06:15:06 <pravins> aha
06:16:08 <pravins> tagoh_: sure, i will report bug for updating changes.
06:16:26 <pravins> lets move ahead
06:16:44 <pravins> #info #33: Keep watching MozTrap related discussion
06:17:14 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/33
06:17:20 <pravins> paragan: any update on this?
06:17:45 <paragan> I think we can close this as I see there is no progress and Adam already said there are some limitation to use MozTrap.
06:18:26 <pravins> paragan: aha, yeah i saw that @ http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-09-08/fedora-qa.2014-09-08-15.01.html  2.b
06:19:15 <pravins> paragan: lets close it then, will reopen if something interesting happens regarding MozTrap
06:20:34 <pravins> lets go for next and interesting one :)
06:20:38 <pravins> #info #34: need Fedora i18n Mission Statement
06:20:44 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/34
06:20:52 <pravins> thanks juhp for initiating an email
06:21:01 <juhp> sure, sorry a bit late...
06:22:14 <pravins> do provide your views there
06:22:58 <pravins> i often get confused between mission and vision statement, i think one good read will be http://www.diffen.com/difference/Mission_Statement_vs_Vision_Statement
06:23:10 <juhp> pravins, ah right yes
06:23:19 <juhp> that might need clarification too - good point
06:24:25 <pravins> juhp: do you want to open piratepad for same?
06:25:13 <pravins> or wiki may be. My basic intention to have all variants located just at one place (quick view)
06:26:17 <juhp> yes sounds sensible
06:26:33 <pravins> thanks
06:26:39 <juhp> there is also the ticket... so many choices
06:26:54 <juhp> pravins, what I wrote might be a Vision Statement then
06:26:59 <tagoh_> it will ends up uploading to the wiki. do we need to do that instead of discussing on the list?
06:27:40 <pravins> hmm, might be good to have that on mailing list for now
06:28:09 <pravins> once we have some version, while discussing and modify it we can looks for wiki/piratepad
06:28:19 <pravins> juhp: yeah, ticket is also good
06:29:12 <pravins> juhp: yes, we need to differentiate between vision and mission. mission is more like GOAL i think
06:29:15 <juhp> so where is the best place?
06:29:32 <pravins> 5-10 yrs goal
06:29:51 <juhp> or do we need both?  or just mission is enough?
06:30:17 <pravins> both
06:30:36 <pravins> vision is some dream achievement, and mission to slowly move towards it.
06:31:27 <pravins> juhp: i think lets wait for some responses, once we have some content will looks for some place.
06:33:01 <juhp> ok
06:33:15 <pravins> lets discuss further on mailing list. Thanks again juhp for initiating it.
06:33:21 <pravins> lets move to next topic
06:33:31 <pravins> #topic  Outstanding task
06:33:49 <pravins> #info #32: Fedora 21 i18n test day
06:33:58 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/32
06:35:22 <pravins> juhp: i saw your proposal to club printing and rendering together for next test day
06:35:46 <juhp> yes, well they already are :)
06:36:30 <pravins> nice :)
06:36:47 <pravins> i did some cleanup of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2014-09-02_i18n "Nice to test"
06:36:59 <pravins> i still see some more bugs which can be remove from there
06:37:13 <pravins> paragan: what about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799568 "iok crashed while selecting 'xkb-Malayalam (enhanced Inscript with Rupee Sign)'"
06:37:45 <pravins> one more "No group named Chinese-Support exists"  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681805
06:38:28 <pravins> please have a looks at it and remove if those are irrelevant now.
06:38:36 <tagoh_> no more ibus exxtension so we could remove "Enable ibus-indicator@example.com extension -> Enable or disable doesn't work with Hangul Key" one.
06:39:12 <pravins> tagoh_: good catch !!
06:40:20 <pravins> tagoh_: do we still miss anything for i18n test day?
06:40:20 <juhp> .bug 681805
06:40:23 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 681805 No group named Chinese-Support exists - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/681805
06:40:39 <paragan> pravins, let me remove it from wiki page
06:40:44 <pravins> paragan: sure
06:42:41 <pravins> yes, we should remove Chinese-Support bug as well
06:42:47 <epico> agreed.
06:42:57 <pravins> thanks epico
06:43:05 <epico> welcome
06:43:09 <pravins> lets go for next topic
06:43:12 <pravins> #topic  New topic
06:43:19 <pravins> #info      #36: review gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages
06:43:24 <juhp> is it better to create a new placeholder TestDay page?
06:43:27 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:43:49 <juhp> (than modifying the old one perhaps?)
06:44:43 <pravins> juhp: yeah, that make sense. We just want to make sure those bugs will not reflect again.
06:44:53 <juhp> https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/RegionAndLanguage/ChangeProposals
06:44:56 <juhp> pravins, nod
06:46:13 <juhp> hmm I think Fedora should support language fallback too really
06:47:26 <pravins> yes, agree !!
06:48:15 <mfabian> language fallback?
06:48:55 <mfabian> Something like the LANGUAGE variable of gettext?
06:49:25 <juhp> mfabian, right
06:49:48 <paragan> is this desktop language fallback?
06:50:23 <mfabian> KDE has something like this in the UI, if I remember right.
06:50:37 <paragan> we already install in our own language so where can fallback be needed?
06:50:50 <juhp> hrm, last edited 2012...
06:52:12 <mfabian> paragan: if only parts are translated?
06:52:21 <pravins> Still i think good to review and provide feedback, its very closely related with i18n.
06:52:42 <juhp> how to see the history for https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/RegionAndLanguage ?
06:53:07 <pravins> juhp: RecentChanges at top
06:53:28 <pravins> ohh, looks like that is something different :)
06:54:46 <pravins> i think lets move ahead, we will do more discussion in coming meeting
06:55:28 <paragan> juhp, I think you need to login to check history
06:55:50 <juhp> paragan, yeah
06:56:19 <pravins> #topic New task
06:56:27 <pravins> #info      #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup
06:56:38 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35
06:58:07 <pravins> juhp: has done some clean up last week.
06:58:55 <pravins> thanks juhp for cleanup :)
06:58:57 <pravins> juhp: do you see any further or specific cleanup needed?
06:59:50 <juhp> I did? I don't think I have done any yet really but I just looking over it - I felt it is getting quite dusty...
07:00:04 <juhp> yes lots!
07:00:43 <juhp> well specifically:
07:01:09 <juhp> Tasks and Wishlist
07:01:52 <juhp> maybe people should be moved else where or updated
07:01:57 <pravins> agree, i think we need input from all for same.
07:02:06 <juhp> I guess the former 2 are my fault probably...
07:02:44 <juhp> perhaps they could be moved to tickets
07:02:59 <juhp> some of the general content could also be improved a bit probably
07:03:08 <juhp> anyone interested in helping with that?
07:04:36 <pravins> i will :)
07:04:41 <tagoh_> saying rebuild may be better than cleanup perhaps? but anyway
07:05:31 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, good point.
07:05:51 <juhp> tagoh_, +1
07:06:04 <juhp> pravins, great
07:06:13 <pravins> juhp: do update ticket, we will improve it before next meeting
07:06:22 <juhp> okay
07:06:24 <tagoh_> may be good to create a draft on other page.
07:06:29 <juhp> yes
07:06:47 <pravins> #action juhp and pravins to rebuild Fedora i18n page
07:07:02 <pravins> lets move to our last topic :)
07:07:12 <pravins> #topic  Open Floor
07:07:18 <mfabian> http://imagebin.org/321313 ← language fallback KDE
07:07:23 <epico> . bug 1148421
07:07:26 <zodbot> epico: Bug 1148421 Update to Version 1.001 for all Adobe Source Han Sans fonts - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1148421
07:07:50 <epico> as adobe changed the release tar ball, I will use a script to grab the new fonts.
07:07:59 <epico> for Chinese fonts.
07:08:34 <tagoh_> can't look at that page on chrome :)
07:08:43 <epico> me, either.
07:09:14 <pravins> mfabian: looks some issue with page http://imagebin.org/321313
07:09:18 <juhp> yes it says it may be vulnerable
07:09:33 <juhp> I think the site
07:09:41 <mfabian> Is there a good other place to store images?
07:09:45 <pravins> epico: all the best :) i face number of issues due to google-noto-fonts upstream changes :(
07:09:59 <pravins> i have one thing
07:10:08 <pravins> who would like to volunteer for next meeting?
07:10:31 <epico> pravins, I need to change some parts of the spec for 1.001R version...
07:10:35 <mfabian> (The image just shows that one can set a list of preferred languages in the KDE control center instead of just a single language)
07:10:40 <pravins> again i would like to thanks for making creation of agenda process very easy !!
07:10:53 <juhp> epico, what is the concern exactly?
07:11:08 <epico> and update the font confs.
07:11:53 <juhp> mfabian, thanks
07:12:23 <epico> juhp, need to download fonts and create zip files, and update font confs...
07:12:45 <epico> they changed the release tar ball format.
07:13:21 <pravins> thanks epico for update
07:13:38 <pravins> any volunteer to host next meeting?
07:14:18 <pravins> tagoh_ and juhp would like to recommend someone :)
07:14:33 <juhp> epico, I see
07:15:04 <epico> welcome
07:16:05 <tagoh_> anyone?
07:17:22 <juhp> we could also do slow rotation?  but if anyone wants to chair next week that is also fine
07:17:36 <pravins> tagoh_: might be you can go again for next one and cover up points i missed in this meeting :)
07:17:59 <pravins> juhp: +1
07:18:23 <juhp> pravins, sounds good to me
07:18:29 <juhp> ah
07:18:40 <juhp> pravins, thought you were volunteering again
07:18:43 <paragan> btw next week we will be having holiday
07:18:49 <juhp> ah yeah
07:18:52 <juhp> right
07:19:19 <juhp> forget next week in holiday in Oune
07:19:24 <juhp> Pune
07:19:28 <pravins> juhp: yes
07:19:43 <tagoh_> so will skip next meeting?
07:20:01 <juhp> but it is near to Beta so maybe good to have it?
07:20:14 <juhp> anyone tried TC1 btw?
07:20:19 <mfabian> Yes.
07:20:21 <pravins> yes, good to have it.
07:20:33 <mfabian> Installation very slow again for me.
07:20:37 <juhp> hm
07:21:43 <pravins> sorry, we are almost running over time, can we close meeting and discuss further on #fedora-i18n?
07:23:26 <juhp> okay that sounds fine - I think we can find someone before the next week
07:23:34 <pravins> thanks juhp
07:23:54 <pravins> Thanks everyone for your inputs.
07:24:21 <pravins> #endmeeting