14:03:18 <randomuser> #startmeeting
14:03:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Oct 20 14:03:18 2014 UTC.  The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:03:49 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:03:49 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:03:50 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:03:57 * jjmcd 
14:04:05 <randomuser> #info Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
14:05:18 * jhradilek blinks.
14:06:08 <randomuser> quiet here today
14:06:52 <jhradilek> I can hear the crows. :)
14:07:31 * Capesteve waves
14:07:39 <randomuser> well, let's get on with it
14:07:42 <randomuser> hey, Capesteve
14:07:48 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:08:20 <Capesteve> hay, straw, donkey's manure
14:08:31 <randomuser> I worked with tushark over the last week to work up a cookbook recipe
14:09:03 <randomuser> ..so now there are four? people with a cookbook badge
14:09:42 <randomuser> he seems to be learning quickly, although being on the opposite side of the earth makes the timing od
14:09:58 <randomuser> ...and he's looking at the storage guide now and might take that on
14:10:23 <randomuser> anyone else talk to new writers, or are themselves a new writer that would like to say hello?
14:10:26 <jhradilek> Where is he located?
14:11:11 <randomuser> Somewhere in India
14:11:47 <randomuser> ...there was some chatter at some point that was more specific, but I don't know the area well enough to process it
14:12:37 * pkovar is here
14:12:51 <randomuser> yay!
14:12:54 <jhradilek> Hm, he's closer to my time zone. If you can fill me in on what he's been up to, I might be able to help him when you are not around.
14:13:34 <randomuser> jhradilek, sure, we'll talk after?
14:14:28 * randomuser shrugs
14:14:53 <randomuser> #topic Release Note Beats
14:15:28 <randomuser> We're getting to beta publishing stage; I'll probably roll a new rpm todady
14:15:48 <randomuser> #link https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora-release-notes/
14:16:15 <randomuser> translations are coming along well; I think all the discussion on the l10n list has them fired up
14:16:38 <pbokoc> I'm here!
14:16:46 <jhradilek> randomuser: Nod.
14:17:04 * lnovich is here too
14:17:34 <randomuser> ..that's really all I have on RNs
14:18:09 <randomuser> pbokoc, are there self tracking changes left to cover? I tried to craft a query to find out, but i have little skill with that
14:18:23 <pbokoc> self-contained?
14:18:50 <pbokoc> yeah, hang on
14:19:00 <randomuser> ..right, self contained
14:19:30 <randomuser> jreznik would probably like the self-tracking kind, though :P
14:19:36 <pbokoc> http://red.ht/1sPgI5t - click Change Columns at the bottom, throw out everything you don't to see, make sure "status", "flags" and "docs contact" are displayed
14:19:38 * randomuser lunges at the coffee
14:20:07 <pbokoc> generally, if a bug doesn't have a "fedora_requires_release_note +" flag, it needs attention
14:20:11 <pbokoc> 3 of them are still on NEW, too
14:20:28 <randomuser> nice!
14:20:44 <jreznik> randomuser: self tracking, yay!
14:20:49 <randomuser> pbokoc, I like that use of the flag, well done
14:20:53 <pbokoc> also note that the flags are more reliable than docs contact (some beats are written, but the writer didnt's assign himself and I don't know their BZ e-mail so I can't do it either)
14:21:24 * jreznik hopes on Wednesday, it will be final list of changes that made F21
14:21:29 <pbokoc> oh and I noticed that the beat for Gnome 3.14 needs updating - it was written, but for 3.12
14:21:32 <pbokoc> pkovar, ^ :)
14:22:18 <pkovar> right
14:22:20 <pbokoc> and a bunch of the new Apache stuff needs to be written, it seems - but I have no idea about any of it
14:22:35 <randomuser> same here
14:22:52 <pbokoc> randomuser, well damn, I was hoping you'd know :))
14:23:39 <randomuser> i thought yruseva was taking them
14:23:48 <pbokoc> other notable unwritten beats are KDE Frameworks 5 and NFS Ganesha File Server
14:23:51 <randomuser> ...or someone else that isn't here to defend themselves
14:24:02 <randomuser> info?
14:24:09 <randomuser> \#info i mean
14:24:28 <jhradilek> KDE?
14:24:39 <jhradilek> I'll ask rkratky, he might be interested in that one.
14:24:49 <pbokoc> #info Need someone to write unclaimed beats: KDE Frameworks 5, NFS Ganesha File Server, Apache Everything
14:25:07 <jhradilek> pbokoc: Do you have a link to that KDE Frameworks 5 beat?
14:25:23 <pbokoc> jhradilek, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1086148
14:25:31 <jhradilek> Cheers.
14:25:55 * zoglesby is here
14:26:11 <randomuser> morning, zoglesby
14:26:20 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:26:21 <pbokoc> #info use http://red.ht/1sPgI5t to view status: scroll down to the bottom, click Change Columns, throw out everything you don't want, make sure Status and Flags are displayed; if a bug does NOT have a fedora_requires_release_note flag, it needs attention
14:26:32 <randomuser> #undo
14:26:32 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by pbokoc at 14:26:21 : use http://red.ht/1sPgI5t to view status: scroll down to the bottom, click Change Columns, throw out everything you don't want, make sure Status and Flags are displayed; if a bug does NOT have a fedora_requires_release_note flag, it needs attention
14:26:38 <pbokoc> hahahaha
14:26:40 <randomuser> ugh...
14:26:46 <pbokoc> can you undo an undo?
14:26:51 <randomuser> #undo
14:26:51 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x313921d0>
14:26:59 <randomuser> #redo
14:27:06 <randomuser> #botabuse
14:27:19 <pbokoc> I'll just reinfo it
14:27:21 <randomuser> doesn't look like it... sorry
14:27:35 <pbokoc> #info use http://red.ht/1sPgI5t to view status: scroll down to the bottom, click Change Columns, throw out everything you don't want, make sure Status and Flags are displayed; if a bug does NOT have a fedora_requires_release_note flag, it needs attention
14:28:14 <pbokoc> randomuser, I think you undid the topic, too, with the second undo
14:28:34 * randomuser nods
14:28:35 <pbokoc> ...or broke the bot :)
14:28:39 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:29:09 <randomuser> so, where are we on guides?
14:29:27 <randomuser> jhradilek, Capesteve - is the sysadmin guide in shape for f21?
14:29:36 <pbokoc> well, the Cookbook saw a surge of commits recently :) kudos
14:30:26 <randomuser> yeah, it really was a fun process
14:30:42 * randomuser will have to update the documentation guide soon
14:31:47 <lnovich> randomuser documentation guide?
14:31:53 <lnovich> its really going to be updated?
14:32:27 <randomuser> lnovich, I worked with a new writer, and we used a fedorapeople git repo as a remote for him to push a branch to
14:32:42 <lnovich> if you want I'll QA /review your changes
14:32:43 <randomuser> lnovich, I used the branch to watch his work and advise, then merged it
14:32:53 <lnovich> excellent!
14:32:55 <randomuser> lnovich, I'd appreciate that, thanks!
14:33:23 <lnovich> sure just assign the BZ to me as QA or send me a link
14:33:27 <randomuser> sure
14:33:36 <pbokoc> yeah, if anyone wants to check the install guide (branch F21-rewrite), go right ahead - especially the graphical install chapter
14:34:01 <pbokoc> it's about halfway done now
14:35:27 <randomuser> cool
14:36:41 <pbokoc> I could also still use someone to write some content; most importantly about FedUp and manual reinstall
14:37:38 <randomuser> pbokoc, I will help this week, if you are around in -docs to point me in the right direction
14:37:54 <pbokoc> cool, let's talk later then
14:38:14 <randomuser> fedup might be tricky, as with the netinstall stuff
14:38:41 <randomuser> but yeah, we'll talk
14:39:07 <randomuser> #info pbokoc is looking for content for the installation guide, contact him to help
14:39:14 <Capesteve> randomuser: I will make more commits this week, promise
14:39:32 <Capesteve> and need to chase jhradilek fir his chapters
14:39:40 <randomuser> jhradilek, !
14:40:18 <Capesteve> but we are still playing catchup for Fed20,
14:40:35 <Capesteve> but hopefully not many changes will be needed for Fed21
14:41:38 <pbokoc> yeah, I mean, the systemd docs in RHEL7 are really good - and even if F20/F21 introduced some new features that aren't in RHEL, the core documentation is solid as it is
14:41:54 <Capesteve> jhradilek: should have more time this week
14:42:21 <randomuser> most of the changes in systemd lately have been container related, or systemd-networkd related
14:42:44 <randomuser> ...and systemd-networkd's job is to provide networking for nspawn containers
14:43:20 <randomuser> in terms of general function, I think we're safe
14:43:58 <pbokoc> yeah
14:45:06 <randomuser> well, speak up if we can assist, Capesteve
14:45:25 <randomuser> lnovich, any news?
14:45:44 <lnovich> abour?
14:45:51 <randomuser> lnovich, guides you own
14:46:28 <lnovich> ok so at the moment I am working on another project - so sorry I am overcomitted at present
14:46:44 <lnovich> I am now working on oVirt as well
14:46:55 <randomuser> cool
14:47:40 <randomuser> anything else on guides?
14:48:33 <lnovich> not from me
14:48:58 <randomuser> ok then
14:49:13 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding Bug Requests
14:49:27 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:49:43 * pbokoc should probably check his bug list once in a while
14:50:19 <randomuser> yeah, there are bugs
14:50:42 <randomuser> #info check the bug list if you are looking for something to do
14:50:58 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
14:51:38 <randomuser> lnovich, did you decide to change the EMEA office hours slot? I had to leave when it was being discussed
14:52:26 <lnovich> yes moving to Wed
14:52:45 <randomuser> \#info?
14:53:45 <lnovich> #info My office hours are Wed 1400 UTC
14:54:00 <randomuser> thanks :)
14:55:55 <randomuser> sooo... dogpile on zoglesby !
14:56:56 <zoglesby> Um, not sure why
14:57:02 <zoglesby> What did I do?
14:57:09 <pbokoc> what's a dogpile? :))
14:57:28 <randomuser> zoglesby, you're too quiet :P
14:59:17 <pbokoc> anyway, I think it's time to end
14:59:19 <pbokoc> the meeting I mean, not zoglesby
14:59:21 <randomuser> pbokoc, it's when a group of children tackle one of their group and pile on
14:59:32 <randomuser> ...kid games
14:59:37 <randomuser> #endmeeting