15:01:10 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:01:14 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:01:17 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:01:23 <adamw> ahoyhoy QA pirates
15:01:47 * satellit listening
15:01:50 * pwhalen waves
15:02:17 * roshi is here
15:02:21 <adamw> #chair satellit pwhalen
15:02:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw pwhalen satellit
15:02:25 <adamw> YOU get a chair, and YOU get a chair...
15:02:35 <pwhalen> :)
15:03:04 * lnovich2 is here but needs to leave in a minute and will be back in 10-15
15:03:33 <adamw> ahoyhoy brunowolff
15:04:54 <adamw> roshi: do you know when tim's coming back, btw?
15:05:01 <roshi> tim is back
15:05:03 <adamw> ah
15:05:20 <adamw> then...
15:05:34 <adamw> .fire tflink how dare you miss five minutes of QA meeting!
15:05:34 <zodbot> adamw fires tflink how dare you miss five minutes of QA meeting!
15:06:19 * pschindl is here
15:06:33 <adamw> hi petr
15:06:44 <adamw> ok, so, onto the big one:
15:06:48 <adamw> #topic Fedora 21 Beta status
15:07:12 <adamw> first I wanted to say a big thanks to everyone who put so much effort into beta testing last week, really great job everyone
15:07:24 <adamw> it's a pity we had to slip again but we sure put a good effort into it :)
15:07:45 <adamw> #info thanks to all for Beta testing work last week
15:08:42 <adamw> i'm hoping we won't have to do any crazy rushes this week - ideally we should spin RC2 today and then it'll turn out to be shippable
15:09:37 <roshi> that would be a win :)
15:10:40 <adamw> so it looks like we have a few new proposed blockers, shall we do blocker review after this meeting?
15:10:48 <roshi> sure
15:11:55 <adamw> okey dokey
15:12:01 <adamw> #info we'll do blocker review following this meeting
15:12:27 * kparal is late
15:12:44 * kparal was debugging spice problem
15:13:15 <adamw> kparal: this is unacceptable, surely you know meetings are much more important than work!
15:13:30 <adamw> roshi: do you know if anyone's figured out what's going on with cloud images yet?
15:13:37 <kparal> I'll never repeat this mistake again
15:14:05 <roshi> I don't - I know it's being looked into by several people
15:14:19 <roshi> I'll poke in rel-eng and see if I can't get some info today
15:14:32 <roshi> then when we have images, I'll make sure they get tested
15:15:26 <adamw> alrighty
15:15:49 <adamw> so it's looking kind of like last week at this point, a few different plates spinning in the air before we can do the RC, but no single big problem
15:16:51 <adamw> patches for the accepted anaconda blockers are working their way through review, and I believe we have a build for the Server selinux issue already.
15:17:23 <adamw> so, RH's folks in .cz have a vacation day tomorrow - how's everyone else for testing availability this week?
15:17:36 * adamw will of course be around as he has nothing better to do
15:17:51 <roshi> same here :)
15:17:55 <brunowolff> Did Spot fix everything that needed to be fixed for generic-release for Beta? (I don't think I am currently on the hook for anything critical for Beta, but want to make sure.)
15:17:58 * satellit_e will test
15:18:40 * pwhalen will be testing arm
15:18:55 <kparal> I'm also afraid we won't stay long for today's blocker bug meeting
15:19:13 <adamw> it's only three bugs i think
15:19:23 <kparal> that could work
15:19:28 <adamw> brunowolff: i haven't seen any Generics in the beta images
15:19:41 <adamw> brunowolff: we didn't actually pull generic-release into RC1, it all got 'fixed' in kickstarts
15:20:22 <brunowolff> OK.
15:21:08 <adamw> brunowolff: after beta it'd be nice to sort of rationalize and consolidate a bit so all the images use the same basic approach and it's a sensible one, but for beta the priority is get the images correct and don't change things unless necessary...
15:22:23 <adamw> welp, i figured this was going to take longer, but I think that's kind of it :)
15:22:31 <adamw> anyone have any more notes on beta before we move on?
15:22:40 <pwhalen> the arm images were ok, didnt have 'generic', rawhide wasnt enabled
15:22:52 <satellit_e> litd efi?
15:23:46 <adamw> satellit: there's a patch for that in the bug
15:23:51 <satellit_e> k
15:23:51 <adamw> pwhalen: cool, and i-s worked?
15:24:13 <adamw> satellit: i think it turns out even though it's the images that changed, the fix will be in litd, so it doesn't even need to block the images, but i'll check with bcl
15:24:21 <pwhalen> adamw, it did on both graphical and minimal
15:24:26 <adamw> yay.
15:26:33 <adamw> ok then, let's do a quick open floor and move onto blocker review i gues!
15:26:36 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:27:15 <adamw> so, anything else to talk about?
15:27:31 <roshi> I don't have anything
15:28:27 <kparal> nothing here
15:29:10 <adamw> i could talk about relval for half an hour! people would love that, right?
15:29:18 * adamw watches the stampede to the exit
15:30:31 <adamw> is anyone keeping an eye on test days? cos i have no idea what's going on there
15:30:39 <kparal> adamw: can it make coffee now?
15:31:05 <adamw> kparal: it's on the roadmap! right after 'world domination'
15:31:07 * roshi is kinda keeping an eye on test days
15:31:25 <roshi> there are some waiting in the wings for things outside our control
15:31:40 <kparal> there are no more test days, right? at least in the schedule
15:31:50 <kparal> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/QA/?subject=Test+Day
15:32:11 <roshi> well, Atomic Test day wants to happen, but isn't scheduled yet
15:32:24 <roshi> also, arm wants a testday, but it hasn't been scheduled either
15:32:27 <roshi> iirc
15:32:42 <adamw> as long as someone's on it
15:33:04 <roshi> arm need a uboot patch, I think and atomic is waiting on something, not sure exactly
15:33:38 <adamw> i guess images would help :P
15:33:44 <roshi> haha
15:33:45 <roshi> true
15:34:16 <roshi> I'll talk with jzb about it sometime this week most likely
15:34:17 <adamw> welp, sounds like we're kinda out of topics
15:34:20 <adamw> sounds good
15:34:39 <roshi> oh
15:34:50 <roshi> I had a quick thing, just for people to be thinking about
15:35:16 <adamw> go for it
15:35:30 <roshi> a week or two ago we were talking about where wikitcms was going and tcms' in general
15:35:48 <roshi> and what we wanted in one and how nothing was really what we had in mind
15:35:52 <roshi> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Roshi/TCMSWants
15:36:08 <roshi> so we should document all the things we want/need in a tcms for discussions going forwards
15:37:28 <adamw> aha, yeah
15:37:31 <roshi> I figure the conversation is going to keep coming up and we should have a list of things we think of for when we get to a "Do we just go ahead and make one?" or "Does footcms provide everything in our list?"
15:37:46 <adamw> i've been thinking about the sort of theory of test management systems quite a lot in writing wikitcms
15:38:05 <adamw> i'm currently trying to design it around common features of all the systems i've come across
15:38:09 <roshi> same here, sans the "writing wikitcms"
15:38:26 <adamw> i'll try and add some stuff to that page
15:39:12 <roshi> sweet
15:39:18 <adamw> we all run tests and report results and most of us have written a test case or two, so if folks could contribute their thoughts it'd be great :)
15:39:21 * roshi didn't put much into it (data or time)
15:39:44 <adamw> #info roshi has put up https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Roshi/TCMSWants as a place to collect thoughts on what we really want in a test (case) management system, please add your notes there!
15:40:19 <adamw> it'd be good to have thoughts on the various systems we're aware of..."wiki tcms", qatracker, moztrap, nitrate, any others that are out there
15:40:33 <roshi> yeah
15:40:52 <roshi> I figured once the list of want/need was there, then we could do a comparison to each of those we know of
15:41:07 <roshi> it might be handy for other projects as they look for tcms solutions as well
15:41:14 <adamw> have you seen the old stuff rhe put together when evaluating the wiki system vs. nitrate? some of it may be interesting
15:41:33 <roshi> I don't think so, but I'd be up for checking it out
15:41:50 <roshi> once we've got a Go and whatnot
15:43:17 <adamw> alrighty
15:43:43 <adamw> so i think that's everything here - want to start blocker review in a few minutes, or wait for the top of the hour?
15:43:46 <roshi> shall I kick things off in #fedora-blocker-review?
15:43:57 <roshi> 15 minutes would be good
15:44:06 * roshi will ping other channels
15:44:11 <roshi> gives them time
15:44:29 * satellit have to go afk at 15 after...
15:44:44 <adamw> we'll try and be quick then :)
15:44:52 <roshi> thanks for the heads up satellit :)
15:44:54 <satellit> : )
16:04:36 <jreznik_pp> Ah, time zone change and seems like I'm off by one ;-)
16:05:18 <jreznik_pp> No more summer time
16:05:37 <roshi> we can probably end this meeting now too
16:05:51 <roshi> sorry jreznik_pp - time changes are annoying
16:06:05 <roshi> you're in time for our blocker revew though :)
16:10:27 <adamw> oopsies, forgot to endmeeting
16:10:31 <adamw> thanks for coming folks!
16:10:33 <adamw> #endmeeting