15:01:10 #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:01:10 Meeting started Mon Oct 27 15:01:10 2014 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:14 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:01:14 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:01:17 #topic Roll call 15:01:23 ahoyhoy QA pirates 15:01:47 * satellit listening 15:01:50 * pwhalen waves 15:02:17 * roshi is here 15:02:21 #chair satellit pwhalen 15:02:21 Current chairs: adamw pwhalen satellit 15:02:25 YOU get a chair, and YOU get a chair... 15:02:35 :) 15:03:04 * lnovich2 is here but needs to leave in a minute and will be back in 10-15 15:03:33 ahoyhoy brunowolff 15:04:54 roshi: do you know when tim's coming back, btw? 15:05:01 tim is back 15:05:03 ah 15:05:20 then... 15:05:34 .fire tflink how dare you miss five minutes of QA meeting! 15:05:34 adamw fires tflink how dare you miss five minutes of QA meeting! 15:06:19 * pschindl is here 15:06:33 hi petr 15:06:44 ok, so, onto the big one: 15:06:48 #topic Fedora 21 Beta status 15:07:12 first I wanted to say a big thanks to everyone who put so much effort into beta testing last week, really great job everyone 15:07:24 it's a pity we had to slip again but we sure put a good effort into it :) 15:07:45 #info thanks to all for Beta testing work last week 15:08:42 i'm hoping we won't have to do any crazy rushes this week - ideally we should spin RC2 today and then it'll turn out to be shippable 15:09:37 that would be a win :) 15:10:40 so it looks like we have a few new proposed blockers, shall we do blocker review after this meeting? 15:10:48 sure 15:11:55 okey dokey 15:12:01 #info we'll do blocker review following this meeting 15:12:27 * kparal is late 15:12:44 * kparal was debugging spice problem 15:13:15 kparal: this is unacceptable, surely you know meetings are much more important than work! 15:13:30 roshi: do you know if anyone's figured out what's going on with cloud images yet? 15:13:37 I'll never repeat this mistake again 15:14:05 I don't - I know it's being looked into by several people 15:14:19 I'll poke in rel-eng and see if I can't get some info today 15:14:32 then when we have images, I'll make sure they get tested 15:15:26 alrighty 15:15:49 so it's looking kind of like last week at this point, a few different plates spinning in the air before we can do the RC, but no single big problem 15:16:51 patches for the accepted anaconda blockers are working their way through review, and I believe we have a build for the Server selinux issue already. 15:17:23 so, RH's folks in .cz have a vacation day tomorrow - how's everyone else for testing availability this week? 15:17:36 * adamw will of course be around as he has nothing better to do 15:17:51 same here :) 15:17:55 Did Spot fix everything that needed to be fixed for generic-release for Beta? (I don't think I am currently on the hook for anything critical for Beta, but want to make sure.) 15:17:58 * satellit_e will test 15:18:40 * pwhalen will be testing arm 15:18:55 I'm also afraid we won't stay long for today's blocker bug meeting 15:19:13 it's only three bugs i think 15:19:23 that could work 15:19:28 brunowolff: i haven't seen any Generics in the beta images 15:19:41 brunowolff: we didn't actually pull generic-release into RC1, it all got 'fixed' in kickstarts 15:20:22 OK. 15:21:08 brunowolff: after beta it'd be nice to sort of rationalize and consolidate a bit so all the images use the same basic approach and it's a sensible one, but for beta the priority is get the images correct and don't change things unless necessary... 15:22:23 welp, i figured this was going to take longer, but I think that's kind of it :) 15:22:31 anyone have any more notes on beta before we move on? 15:22:40 the arm images were ok, didnt have 'generic', rawhide wasnt enabled 15:22:52 litd efi? 15:23:46 satellit: there's a patch for that in the bug 15:23:51 k 15:23:51 pwhalen: cool, and i-s worked? 15:24:13 satellit: i think it turns out even though it's the images that changed, the fix will be in litd, so it doesn't even need to block the images, but i'll check with bcl 15:24:21 adamw, it did on both graphical and minimal 15:24:26 yay. 15:26:33 ok then, let's do a quick open floor and move onto blocker review i gues! 15:26:36 #topic Open floor 15:27:15 so, anything else to talk about? 15:27:31 I don't have anything 15:28:27 nothing here 15:29:10 i could talk about relval for half an hour! people would love that, right? 15:29:18 * adamw watches the stampede to the exit 15:30:31 is anyone keeping an eye on test days? cos i have no idea what's going on there 15:30:39 adamw: can it make coffee now? 15:31:05 kparal: it's on the roadmap! right after 'world domination' 15:31:07 * roshi is kinda keeping an eye on test days 15:31:25 there are some waiting in the wings for things outside our control 15:31:40 there are no more test days, right? at least in the schedule 15:31:50 https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/QA/?subject=Test+Day 15:32:11 well, Atomic Test day wants to happen, but isn't scheduled yet 15:32:24 also, arm wants a testday, but it hasn't been scheduled either 15:32:27 iirc 15:32:42 as long as someone's on it 15:33:04 arm need a uboot patch, I think and atomic is waiting on something, not sure exactly 15:33:38 i guess images would help :P 15:33:44 haha 15:33:45 true 15:34:16 I'll talk with jzb about it sometime this week most likely 15:34:17 welp, sounds like we're kinda out of topics 15:34:20 sounds good 15:34:39 oh 15:34:50 I had a quick thing, just for people to be thinking about 15:35:16 go for it 15:35:30 a week or two ago we were talking about where wikitcms was going and tcms' in general 15:35:48 and what we wanted in one and how nothing was really what we had in mind 15:35:52 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Roshi/TCMSWants 15:36:08 so we should document all the things we want/need in a tcms for discussions going forwards 15:37:28 aha, yeah 15:37:31 I figure the conversation is going to keep coming up and we should have a list of things we think of for when we get to a "Do we just go ahead and make one?" or "Does footcms provide everything in our list?" 15:37:46 i've been thinking about the sort of theory of test management systems quite a lot in writing wikitcms 15:38:05 i'm currently trying to design it around common features of all the systems i've come across 15:38:09 same here, sans the "writing wikitcms" 15:38:26 i'll try and add some stuff to that page 15:39:12 sweet 15:39:18 we all run tests and report results and most of us have written a test case or two, so if folks could contribute their thoughts it'd be great :) 15:39:21 * roshi didn't put much into it (data or time) 15:39:44 #info roshi has put up https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Roshi/TCMSWants as a place to collect thoughts on what we really want in a test (case) management system, please add your notes there! 15:40:19 it'd be good to have thoughts on the various systems we're aware of..."wiki tcms", qatracker, moztrap, nitrate, any others that are out there 15:40:33 yeah 15:40:52 I figured once the list of want/need was there, then we could do a comparison to each of those we know of 15:41:07 it might be handy for other projects as they look for tcms solutions as well 15:41:14 have you seen the old stuff rhe put together when evaluating the wiki system vs. nitrate? some of it may be interesting 15:41:33 I don't think so, but I'd be up for checking it out 15:41:50 once we've got a Go and whatnot 15:43:17 alrighty 15:43:43 so i think that's everything here - want to start blocker review in a few minutes, or wait for the top of the hour? 15:43:46 shall I kick things off in #fedora-blocker-review? 15:43:57 15 minutes would be good 15:44:06 * roshi will ping other channels 15:44:11 gives them time 15:44:29 * satellit have to go afk at 15 after... 15:44:44 we'll try and be quick then :) 15:44:52 thanks for the heads up satellit :) 15:44:54 : ) 16:04:36 Ah, time zone change and seems like I'm off by one ;-) 16:05:18 No more summer time 16:05:37 we can probably end this meeting now too 16:05:51 sorry jreznik_pp - time changes are annoying 16:06:05 you're in time for our blocker revew though :) 16:10:27 oopsies, forgot to endmeeting 16:10:31 thanks for coming folks! 16:10:33 #endmeeting