19:02:50 #startmeeting Cloud WG 19:02:50 Meeting started Wed Nov 5 19:02:50 2014 UTC. The chair is kushal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:50 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:04 #topic Roll Call 19:03:16 .hellomynameis jzb 19:03:17 jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' 19:03:21 roshi, I know you are in the blocker meeting 19:03:21 .hellomyname is dustymabe 19:03:28 I'm here-ish 19:03:34 .hello roshi 19:03:35 roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' 19:03:39 .hellomynameis kushal 19:03:41 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 19:03:42 .hellomynameis dustymabe 19:03:44 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 19:04:00 .chair jzb dustymabe 19:04:00 jzb dustymabe is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them. 19:04:11 eh 19:04:14 .chair jzb 19:04:14 jzb is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them. 19:04:22 wrong command :( 19:04:23 #chair jzb :) 19:04:28 zodbot: what did I ever do to you 19:04:28 dustymabe: No such package exists. 19:04:39 #chair jzb 19:04:40 Current chairs: jzb kushal 19:04:44 .hellomynameis oddshocks 19:04:44 #chair dustymabe 19:04:44 Current chairs: dustymabe jzb kushal 19:04:44 oddshocks: oddshocks 'David Gay' 19:04:54 #chair oddshocks roshi 19:04:54 Current chairs: dustymabe jzb kushal oddshocks roshi 19:05:04 Okay, anyone else ? 19:05:38 kushal: is mattdm about? 19:06:03 jzb, Not sure 19:06:48 I think we can start 19:06:55 #topic Previous Meeting Follow-up 19:07:06 i'm here, sorry 19:07:28 dealing with A Thing :) 19:07:49 and I missing all links :( 19:09:06 Anyone has the list of action items? 19:09:17 sorry, can not find the right tabs 19:09:27 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9 19:09:49 * jzb request post-beta test compose with k8s + Cockpit 19:09:49 * roshi to send email regarding new criteria 19:10:11 I didn't get to that yet 19:10:17 will try to do today 19:10:32 kushal: I need to do that today, have been buried. 19:10:34 roshi: see also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1160833 19:10:41 apparently _docker_ isn't in there? 19:10:46 * mattdm did not test the atomic image 19:11:34 mattdm, ouch 19:11:36 * roshi didn't see that bug 19:11:40 hmmm 19:11:46 that doesn't seem right 19:12:09 agreed. I haven't touched beta yet 19:12:15 I haven't looked at atomic yet at all 19:12:16 roshi: it was filed against docker 19:12:19 but the builds I pulled from koji last week were fine 19:12:43 dustymabe, those were the beta release, correct> 19:12:44 ? 19:12:59 kushal: I believe so. 19:13:07 dustymabe, sorry i'm late 19:13:13 scollier: no worries 19:13:34 I'm getting 404s trying to get the Atomic image 19:13:41 http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease#cloud 19:13:52 jzb: yeah he mentioned that in the bug report.. that the links are broken 19:14:18 oh! it's the wrong filename 19:14:22 I've been testing about 8 billion different Atomic things so things are hazy in my mind, but, ISTR that the last TC worked 19:14:24 As far as the atomic image goes that I've added to EC2, I have confirmed that it at least boots, you can ssh in, and run /bin/true and whatnot 19:14:25 had Docker, etc. 19:14:39 jzb, nirik was telling that they are in master mirror iirc 19:14:45 wait no, they're just missing 19:14:47 hmm. 19:15:08 they aren't included in https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_Beta_RC4/Cloud/Images/x86_64/ 19:15:14 that's... not right. 19:15:18 we should have caught that. 19:15:23 *sigh* 19:15:31 mattdm: who gets the ticket? 19:15:32 mattdm, informed the same few hours back. 19:15:56 jzb, rel-eng? 19:16:56 OK 19:16:57 yeah that's something for releng but someone here should also have ownership 19:17:44 mattdm: ownership as in verifying or as in actually being able to do something about it... 19:17:45 mattdm, should I add it to my todo/check list? 19:17:45 ok. so where can I download it? I guess I'll start one up and try to confirm whether docker works or not for me 19:18:16 dustymabe, https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/4506/7974506/Fedora-Cloud-Atomic-20141028-21_Beta.x86_64.raw.xz is the one iirc 19:18:17 kushal: sounds good, yes :) 19:18:31 so 19:18:46 the one Ed found is 20141029-21 19:18:56 that one is 20141028-21 19:19:05 #action kushal will keep an eye to verify actual release images on the mirrors 19:19:48 dustymabe, jzb then https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8938/7978938/Fedora-Docker-Base-20141029-21_Beta.x86_64.tar.gz 19:19:56 oops that is docker :( 19:20:23 Yeah, I'm not seeing a 29 here 19:20:29 jzb, Strange, I can not find a 20141029 build 19:20:30 what's up with that? 19:21:00 so.. the one that kushal linked (had a 28 in it) is that the wrong one 19:21:13 20141028-21_Beta 19:21:19 dustymabe, yes and we can not find any 29 build 19:21:21 I'm wondering where the hell the 29 came from 19:21:34 the one I was told to do for atomic was https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/4506/7974506/Fedora-Cloud-Atomic-20141028-21_Beta.x86_64.raw.xz 19:21:47 and that is the one on EC2 right now 19:21:49 * jsmith shows up late, sorry 19:22:21 kushal: I'm about to file a releng ticket or do you want to? 19:22:35 jzb, please go ahead on that. 19:22:53 Found the issue 19:22:58 At least I think so 19:23:04 * mattdm is afk for a few minutes 19:23:16 kushal: what issue? 19:23:20 mattdm, jzb He mentioned that he downloaded the image from http://mirror.pnl.gov/fedora/linux/releases/test/21-Beta/Cloud/Images/x86_64/ 19:23:28 There are only cloud base images 19:23:37 Of course no docker in inside of them 19:23:45 Yeah 19:24:39 Means this is not a bug, he is supposed to use the atomic image, instead he used base cloud image 19:24:50 I guess because of broken links to the mirrors. 19:25:08 kushal: there's some valid complaints regardless. 19:25:16 kushal: so let's leave it open because we need to fix the docs issues. 19:25:17 jzb, True, 19:25:24 jzb, Okay. 19:25:58 kushal: it is worth updating the ticket though :) 19:26:07 dustymabe, I will do that after the meeting. 19:26:27 dustymabe, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1160833 this one, correct? 19:26:27 * lalatenduM forgot abt the cloud sig meeting :/ 19:26:49 dustymabe: already done 19:26:51 * kushal always get confused between bugs and tickets as we use both bugzilla and track 19:27:18 jzb, thanks :) 19:27:24 kushal: correct 19:28:03 kushal: we do not lack for variety in tracking systems. 19:28:10 jzb, hehe :) 19:28:57 #action jzb to file rel-eng ticket for missing images 19:28:58 just spun up the image.. docker run -it busybox worked fine 19:29:13 Moving to action itesms 19:29:17 * items 19:29:22 oops 19:29:25 agenda items 19:29:56 #topic Plan test days for Atomic image (#74) 19:29:57 kushal: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6032 19:30:14 #link https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6032 19:30:31 I think meetbot automatically #links any url 19:31:26 (It would be *awesome* if I was automatically logged into all Trac instances on Fedorahosted when I log into one...) 19:31:48 kushal: this is pending the test compose with k8s and cockpit 19:32:22 I pinged walters last week + he added those to the json files, and we *thought* they would get pulled automatically before TC4 for beta. 19:32:33 why that didn't work I do not know. 19:32:53 #action jzb follow up on tc for Atomic test days image 19:33:04 lmacken is working on the automatic compose stuff -- maybe he knows? 19:33:05 #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/74 19:33:26 we also need the URL for f21 19:33:31 mattdm: IIRC you said we need to work with QA to request the TC? 19:33:39 mattdm: sorry? 19:33:59 jzb I was refering to the json file bit 19:34:09 or are you asking about what I said about a URL? :) 19:34:26 sorry, I'm task-swapping between things here 19:36:01 mattdm: URL 19:36:55 right now, --url=http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/fedora-atomic/repo is only rawhide, as i understand it 19:37:41 yeah http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/fedora-atomic/repo/refs/heads/fedora-atomic/ 19:37:46 so what's the public url for f21? 19:38:01 ah, OK 19:38:11 this also needs to be in the spin kickstart before we have a tc 19:39:30 OK 19:39:59 Not sure how quickly this will happen 19:40:05 when do we want to set the test days? 19:40:20 jzb: it's possibly that it's already 90% of the way there. I think only lmacken knows 19:40:42 OK 19:40:58 is next Thursday too soon for a test day? 19:41:50 jzb: a better question might be: when is the latest day we can do? 19:41:51 I'll be in EU the week after that, and the week after that is US holiday... 19:41:55 and work from there 19:42:06 Sorry my network went down, now using the mobile network 19:42:21 jzb, It is good. 19:42:40 jzb: I'll do my best to take off but I can't make any promises 19:42:45 I really want to be involved though 19:43:10 let's go w/next Thursday as a target then. 19:43:34 jzb, There are few people from RH bangalore office who wants to attend atomic test day iirc 19:44:02 jzb: ok. is this something we should publicize ? 19:44:17 kushal, I am one of them :) 19:44:31 lalatenduM, yup :) 19:44:34 lalatenduM: we really appreciate it 19:44:38 dustymabe: once I get a thumbs up from lmacken and such that we'll have an image... 19:44:45 dustymabe, :) 19:44:50 lalatenduM: do you think thursday works for you al? 19:45:24 jzb: send out an email to the cloud list once it is official.. the more people we can get the better it will be 19:45:27 Okay, going to the next item then 19:45:29 i'll put out word too 19:45:32 dustymabe, should be ok, have we decided which thursday? 19:45:45 jzb: is pushing for next thursday? 19:45:50 I believe 19:45:53 ok 19:45:57 dustymabe, Yes 19:46:07 Yeah 19:46:09 #topic Article for Fedora Magazine on "state of cloud SIG/product" for beta release (75) 19:46:23 #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/la/75 19:47:03 I am still having 5-10 seconds lag 19:47:06 kushal: I think the right link is https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/75 19:47:23 oops 19:47:27 looks like something got elided there 19:47:46 No clue where that la came from :( 19:47:56 no worries 19:48:11 anyway - I'll pub this next Tuesday assuming 1) we find the missing images, and 2) are ready for Thursday 19:48:18 I'll add a note to this about the test day 19:48:49 jzb: how soon will we know if next thursday is a go 19:48:59 dustymabe: dude, I don't know. 19:49:43 ok. 19:49:53 We will just wait for the announcement. 19:50:26 Moving to the next ticket then. 19:50:36 the reason I ask is because it makes it difficult for people who volunteer to participate if we don't announce it until a few days in advance 19:50:46 kushal: ok moving on 19:50:53 dustymabe: I'm aware of that. 19:51:10 #topic Public Uploaded Images Criteria (#80) 19:51:18 #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/80 19:51:51 I updated that ticket with a note that the beta AMIs are all set 19:51:51 I was talking with lsm5 about the docker release. 19:51:55 as per that comment I link to 19:53:54 kushal: I feel like there was more coming after that sentence. 19:54:47 He was doing it manually, dgilmore confirmed that automated builds out of koji to docker registry is not working yet, too many things are not in place in docker's side. 19:54:48 Any other comments on this? 19:55:11 My network is going down again and again. 19:55:21 kushal: so, where does that leave us? 19:55:35 kushal: are we getting images to Docker at all, or...? 19:55:38 jzb, manual uploads from lsm5 as of now. 19:55:51 kushal: are those going to be "official"? 19:56:19 jzb, Those are the formal fedora images as of now, but not official ones. 19:56:28 means if you do docker pull fedora 19:56:32 I think manual uploads of things w_which are produced in koji_ should be able to be official 19:56:43 +1 19:56:46 as long as users can clearly trace the path to koji 19:57:01 mattdm, lsm5 maintains separate repo altogether, not from koji 19:57:05 it's unfortunate that docker doesn't have tooling to do it, but... 19:57:16 I guess it's a matter of semantics, if you look on Docker Hub it says "official repo" 19:57:18 yeah but lsm _can_ pull the image from koji, right? 19:57:27 jzb: that's docker official, not fedora official 19:57:28 mattdm, Yes, he can. 19:57:41 mattdm: I wonder how many users make / get the distinction. 19:58:04 jzb, almost no one, that is why we have to fix it soon. 19:59:18 Moving to next topic then. 19:59:21 #topic participation in OpenShift Commons (#83) 19:59:29 #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/83 19:59:32 This is new. 19:59:45 mattdm, Can you tell us a bit more on this? 20:02:34 Time is already over :( 20:02:52 Is there anything else for open spaces? 20:03:03 We can discuss those till mattdm comes back. 20:04:17 kushal: I have one 20:04:29 https://lists.projectatomic.io/projectatomic-archives/atomic-devel/2014-September/msg00036.html 20:04:40 looks like this is still an issue in Beta 20:05:53 mattdm_, Can you please tell us about " participation in OpenShift Commons" ? 20:06:32 dustymabe: looks like walters responded and asked a follow-up or at least seems aware of the possible issue. 20:06:35 hi sorry back online 20:06:51 dustymabe: maybe ping him about it and see if it's likely to be taken care of soon? 20:07:11 jzb: ok I will.. this is something we probably want fixed though 20:07:17 kushal openshift commons seems like a good opportunity for us... 20:07:35 we can work on what would be needed to get origin v3 back in the distro 20:07:50 dustymabe: pardon my ignorance, but couldn't this be corrected with cloud-init as well? 20:08:05 and coordinate on efforts related to docker and atomic 20:08:11 e.g. provide a cloud-init setup that people could load and get the right groups, etc.? 20:08:17 mattdm, Okay. 20:08:28 jzb: sure.. but that's not really a great answer 20:08:43 mattdm, iirc there is already a board ticket on the same, correct? 20:09:07 dustymabe: yeah, but IIRC we have to use cloud-init with all the images right now anyway 20:09:23 kushal yeah, and josh reasonably asks if we have the interest to make it really mean something 20:09:25 dustymabe: so, failing Colin getting the bug fixed before final, we at least might be able to address it. 20:09:47 jzb: true 20:10:09 getting the bug/configuration fixed seems better, of course. 20:10:27 mattdm: I have a fair amount of interest, FWIW 20:10:30 jzb: although I don't think cloud-init is a requirement.. 20:10:36 mattdm: whether I have the *time* or whatever is another story 20:10:46 jzb: ^^ me too 20:10:55 no time.. lots of interest 20:10:58 mattdm, So what should be the next step for us? 20:11:14 I need to head out in a minute, have to get my eyes examined. 20:11:28 time for the yearly game of "how blind am I now?" 20:12:49 I am going to close the meeting now, we can carry on this discussion over the mailing list. 20:12:52 kushal if we _do_ have sufficient interest and a little time, telling the board officially that we do :) 20:13:19 mattdm, which I think we do :) 20:13:37 mattdm, Should I update in the board ticket? 20:15:16 * roshi has something for Open Floor when we get there 20:15:22 (didn't want to forget) 20:15:29 #link http://origin.openshift.com/commons 20:15:36 Moving to open floor then 20:15:51 #topic Open Floor 20:15:59 roshi, stage is yours. 20:16:05 :) 20:16:22 are we going to keep the 1900 UTC time for meetings with DST changes? 20:16:30 :) 20:16:50 because right now we butt right up to the end of the fesco meeting 20:16:53 roshi: once F21 is done will blocker meetings still be an issue? 20:17:07 roshi, 1900 UTC is already 12:30AM for me :) 20:17:27 and QA is looking at what time the blocker meeting is, if it sticks to US local time or to UTC 20:17:58 I just didn't know if we were changing anything due to the DST time 20:18:22 I'd like not to have to go through the whole process again of finding a new meeting time 20:18:35 but if we have enough people who can't make it then we will of course do that 20:18:53 I'm good with either time. 20:19:04 1900 is better for me :) 20:20:09 I just have blocker meetings during this 20:20:31 I also go to those but it's less of a big deal for me since roshi runs those things 20:20:58 yeah :) 20:20:59 roshi: did your blocker meeting move with DST or not? 20:21:16 it's still up the air 20:21:26 This is why the world should get only UTC :) 20:21:26 figured I'd see what we were doing here 20:21:33 so I knew how to lobby :p 20:22:22 roshi, please keep it on 1900 :) 20:22:55 I have to talk to adam about it and ping the list 20:22:59 but that's all I had 20:23:14 roshi: ok. let us know.. we might be able to switch the day or something 20:23:20 thanks 20:23:29 one last open floor thing 20:23:50 does it bug you guys that in atomic the root prompt looks like: 20:23:53 -bash-4.3# 20:24:08 instead of a normal looking root prompt in F21 20:24:15 hm I didn't notice 20:24:28 dustymabe, It should look the same. 20:24:37 I `chsh oddshocks -s /bin/zsh` first thing on a new install ;) 20:24:58 I invite you guys to prove me wrong but I believe they don't behave the same 20:26:52 do we agree that if it is differeing behavior then we should get it fixed or at least filed? 20:27:47 dustymabe, We should 20:27:53 dustymabe, Please file a bug. 20:28:06 kushal: will do 20:28:14 ok endmeeting? 20:28:33 #endmeeting