06:03:31 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
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06:03:36 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
06:03:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:03:39 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:03:43 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-11-05
06:03:43 <anish_> Hi again!
06:03:45 <mfabian> Hi!
06:03:48 <fujiwarat> hi
06:03:49 <tagoh_> hi
06:03:51 <ueno> hi
06:03:54 <shilpa> hi
06:03:59 <juhp> hey
06:04:18 <pravins> my mistake started it on #fedora-i18n :)
06:04:32 <pravins> hi anish_ mfabian fujiwarat tagoh_ ueno shilpa juhp
06:04:41 <epico> hi
06:04:45 <pravins> hi epico :)
06:04:49 <anish_> pravins, hey its okay
06:04:58 <pravins> anish_: thanks
06:05:01 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:05:05 <pravins> #info 2014-11-04		Beta Release
06:05:08 <pravins> #info 2014-11-25 	Final Freeze (Former Final Change Deadline)
06:05:11 <pravins> #info 2014-12-09 	Fedora 21 Final Release
06:05:17 <pravins> Fedora 21 Beta released yesterday
06:05:22 <pravins> Announcement email
06:05:25 <pravins> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2014-November/003238.html
06:06:01 <pravins> Nice and good information provided in email.
06:06:45 <pravins> I was checking for common Changes link but that is not provided in this email. Might be it will be in Final release.
06:07:19 <juhp> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F21_bugs
06:07:59 <pravins> Do go through this announcement email and if anything missing or anything you would like to see in Final announcement release please mention here.
06:08:41 <pravins> i will try to push that in final release announcement.
06:09:15 * pravins will update stable machine to Fedora 21 Beta soon.
06:09:41 <anish_> no major issues except fedup
06:10:06 <pravins> anish_: even with Beta?
06:10:32 <mfabian> So using fedup still wold not work?
06:12:01 <pravins> its just released yesterday so might be not tested yet. Lets test and report if problem
06:12:38 <pravins> lets move to next topic
06:12:39 <pravins> #topic Outstanding topics
06:12:44 <pravins> #info #34: need Fedora i18n Mission Statement (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:12:49 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/34
06:13:11 <pravins> Unfortunately not found much time to work on it last week. So i would like to take this next week.
06:13:27 <pravins> anyone has any update for this?
06:15:20 <juhp> perhaps good to discuss ideas on #fedora-i18n ?
06:15:42 <pravins> yes looks nice
06:16:43 <pravins> In Fedora now we have cloud, server, workstation and base group. how i18n related with each one of these or what is i18n role with each of these
06:16:48 <pravins> need to think on that as well.
06:18:24 <juhp> yes
06:19:28 <pravins> lets discuss more next week.
06:19:34 <pravins> #info #36: review gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:19:38 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:19:50 <pravins> juhp: any reply from Rui?
06:19:53 <juhp> I got a reply from Rui
06:19:59 <pravins> nice.
06:20:16 <juhp> seems Allan is away currently - so he is waiting for him to return to discuss plans
06:20:47 <juhp> probably good if we could join some of the discussion
06:21:12 <juhp> aday
06:21:25 <mfabian> Maybe we can have some irc meeting together?
06:21:33 <juhp> anyway I imagine it may be for gnome 3.16
06:22:06 <pravins> join discussion on mailing list?
06:22:10 <juhp> it is possible I guess - up to them really but let me suggest to Rui that we could be involved
06:22:30 <juhp> pravins, right upstream discussion it should be really
06:23:32 <pravins> agree. most of the discussion happen in upstream only.
06:23:58 <pravins> juhp: do point out some thread here if we miss any.
06:24:41 <pravins> mfabian: as suggested by juhp lets have some discussion on mailing first then might be we can have some irc meeting.
06:24:49 <juhp> I admit I am not following gnome upstream closely but let me see if I can find anything
06:25:18 <pravins> i think anish_  do follow :)
06:25:24 <juhp> I don't mind if it is irc or mail
06:25:36 <juhp> or both
06:25:39 <anish_> pravins, thanks i will follow it up
06:25:50 <juhp> ok
06:25:53 <pravins> juhp: might be we can suggest some topic in Workstation group weekly meeting?
06:26:11 <juhp> hmm
06:26:23 <juhp> I think upstream is the right place to proceed
06:26:26 <pravins> thansk anish_
06:26:29 <pravins> juhp: sure.
06:27:01 <juhp> pravins, but you may be right that mail is more inclusive anyway
06:27:44 <pravins> juhp: thank you for providing updates. :)
06:27:51 <pravins> #info #37: Should we need i18n-sig fas group? (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:27:57 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/37
06:28:26 <pravins> Parag seems away today.
06:28:52 <pravins> unless anyone has any input, we can skip this ticket for today and move ahead
06:29:34 <tagoh_> btw is there any issues on i18n-team? have we discussed about it?
06:30:40 <pravins> tagoh_: we has some discussion last week about same.
06:30:56 <tagoh_> good for testers, but even though it has advantages more than an alias, do we really need it? does anyone want to maintain any packages together?
06:32:50 <juhp> Parag might be offline today
06:34:13 <tagoh_> just wonder if that really improves something for *us*. well it itself might do, but not sure if we want to use it
06:34:30 <pravins> This is one of the feature proposed by Fedora Infra for pkgdb2
06:34:42 <pravins> tagoh_: you are right. We need to decide whether we want to use it or not.
06:36:28 <pravins> tagoh_: lets put questions in ticket and discuss on it next week when parag will be available.
06:37:25 <pravins> #action pravins to work on i18n strategy
06:37:27 <tagoh_> sure. even good to see all of your opinions about it here :)
06:38:05 <pravins> at least i dont see in quick requirement for it presently.
06:38:56 <tagoh_> honestly me neither
06:39:31 <pravins> how about others?
06:39:48 <mfabian> I didn’t yet understand what it means ☹
06:40:52 <pravins> http://pkgdb2.readthedocs.org/en/latest/groups.html
06:41:46 <mfabian> pravins: Thank you!
06:41:57 <pravins> mfabian: welcome :)
06:43:19 <pravins> lets move on and discuss more either on ticket or next week meeting.
06:43:30 <pravins> #topic Outstanding tasks
06:43:35 <pravins> #info #32: Fedora 21 i18n test day (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:43:39 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/32
06:44:00 <tagoh_> doh... totally forgot about it
06:44:31 <pravins> tagoh_: no problem. Lets move this for next week
06:44:51 <pravins> tagoh_: should i add action item for you?
06:45:18 <tagoh_> yes, please
06:45:58 <pravins> #action tagoh_ to summarize i18n test day results
06:46:00 <pravins> thanks you
06:46:13 <pravins> #info #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:46:18 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35
06:46:38 <pravins> at least not found any time last week :)
06:47:02 <pravins> how about planning meeting in Fedora calendar for doing this task?
06:47:13 <pravins> may be an hour
06:48:54 <pravins> juhp: anything from you side for this ticket?
06:49:35 <juhp> ah
06:49:50 <juhp> sorry I didn't have time yet
06:50:02 <pravins> juhp: no problem.
06:50:29 <juhp> I think last week we said we might alternate it with the mission statement activity
06:50:29 <pravins> should we schedule some time for same?
06:50:37 <juhp> I guess
06:51:01 <juhp> (or I suggested:)
06:51:34 <pravins> juhp: yes, we planned to update wiki before 19th Nov
06:51:38 <juhp> anyway yeah I would be more motivated to work on it with someone
06:51:45 <juhp> aha
06:52:28 <anish_> juhp, regarding cleaning up bugs
06:52:29 <pravins> juhp: yes, that is why good to schedule some dedicated time when most of peope can jump in.
06:52:41 <juhp> pravins, +1
06:54:16 <pravins> please suggest some time. might be just after i18n meeting on #fedora-i18n
06:54:44 <pravins> we can try to complete i18n meeting bit early and use time for wiki improvements.
06:55:02 <tagoh_> clean up bugs? not for wiki?
06:55:11 <pravins> tagoh_: wiki
06:56:50 <juhp> yes after this meeting might work (next week might be okay day)
06:57:18 <pravins> great. lets try for next week.
06:57:20 <juhp> it is different topic but bug cleanup activity may also be good one next
06:57:31 <juhp> ok
06:57:40 <tagoh_> yes
06:58:14 <pravins> sure, if this wiki cleanup activity works we can pan same activity for bug cleanup as well
06:58:38 <juhp> yeah
06:58:50 <pravins> #action having wiki cleanup activity just after next week i18n meeting
06:58:57 <pravins> #topic New topic
06:59:01 <pravins> #info #38: Adding metainfo for font packages (pravins)
06:59:12 <juhp> wiki cleanup should not be so bad - just really a matter of sitting down to do it :)
06:59:12 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/38
06:59:30 <pravins> juhp: exactly and we might need some discussing before adding/removing some items
07:00:03 <pravins> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o2sPWF7PEe6BKnBeZUI23m51nfFHUMx61IRsdNDozig/edit#gid=0
07:00:15 <pravins> its going good, still there are some fonts not owned by anyone.
07:00:26 <pravins> Feel free to jump in and help to complete this activity
07:01:29 <pravins> and we done with our today agenda items :)
07:01:32 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
07:02:22 <pravins> does anyone has anything to discuss or mention here
07:03:05 <pravins> lets wait for couple of minutes and close meeting if nothing there.
07:04:39 <pravins> ok lets close the meeting
07:04:43 <pravins> thanks everyone for nice meeting
07:04:50 <pravins> #endmeeting