16:00:34 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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16:00:38 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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16:00:45 <adamw> #topic Roll cal
16:00:47 <roshi> .hello roshi
16:00:48 <zodbot> roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' <mruckman@redhat.com>
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16:00:53 <adamw> #topic Roll call
16:01:05 <adamw> ahoy mateys, line up on the poop deck
16:01:15 <smccann> .hello smccann
16:01:17 <zodbot> smccann: smccann 'Shawn McCann' <mccann0011@hotmail.com>
16:01:18 * pschindl is here
16:01:25 * kparal waves
16:01:26 * pwhalen is here
16:02:30 * jreznik is here
16:03:49 <adamw> .fire kparal pirates don't wave
16:03:49 <zodbot> adamw fires kparal pirates don't wave
16:04:02 * nirik lurks around back and sneaks a doughnut from the snack table
16:04:09 <roshi> well, they ride waves
16:04:26 <roshi> we have doughnuts?
16:04:59 * kparal jumps off the board into the ocean
16:05:11 <jreznik> dognut?
16:05:21 <adamw> roshi: they're poisoned, it's a trap for releng people who lurk around at the back of meetings.
16:05:40 <adamw> #topic Fedora 21 Final status
16:05:45 * nirik chokes and falls down on the floor. ;)
16:05:52 * adamw ignores nirik's rattlings
16:05:58 <adamw> so! how's TC3 looking?
16:06:03 <roshi> aren't we short supply on releng people?
16:06:09 <roshi> lol
16:06:11 <tflink> wow, we're off to a ruthless start this morning
16:07:11 <roshi> this is QA afterall
16:07:12 <roshi> :)
16:07:25 <kparal> icon bugs persist
16:07:28 <roshi> my install over the weekend of TC3 looks good
16:07:29 <adamw> THIS IS QAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
16:07:37 <sgallagh> Wasn't TC3 supposed to be cut later today?
16:07:51 * nirik would love to get a RC1 before holidays... but not sure how practical that will be
16:07:52 <roshi> is the little server logo supposed to be on anaconda somewhere?
16:07:56 <sgallagh> There's a bunch of stuff that we approved conditionally at the last Blocker Bugs meeting for landing today in time for a TC3
16:07:58 <roshi> TC3 is out
16:08:00 * pwhalen just started TC3 testing
16:08:01 <adamw> sgallagh: nope, saturday.
16:08:08 <nirik> sgallagh: tc3 already happened. ;)
16:08:30 <adamw> sgallagh: if interesting stuff lands today we can always do a tc4...
16:08:30 <sgallagh> Right, so are we willing to run a TC4 today to catch the pile of stuff that finally landed in stable this morning?
16:08:53 <adamw> sgallagh: bits that address blocker/FE bugs and that were already available on friday probably are in it.
16:08:58 <adamw> in tc3*
16:09:04 <adamw> what were you thinking of specifically?>
16:09:13 <sgallagh> Right, but several (like Cockpit and FreeIPA) missed the bus, I think
16:11:35 * adamw looks
16:12:24 * mclasen has another build for bug 1160499
16:13:00 <adamw> ok, yeah, the latest build of  those two are not in tc4
16:13:09 <nirik> FWIW, I think we should gather what we can today and fire a TC4 tonight... I'm seeing a number of NEW things so probibly no RC1.
16:13:13 <adamw> we can certainly do a tc4 today (at least from qa end, i assume it's ok with releng?)
16:13:24 <nirik> absolutely.
16:14:54 <adamw> #agreed TC4 to go today with cockpit and freeipa fixes (and something from mclasen for #1160499)
16:15:47 <adamw> so there are still some holes in test coverage for final
16:16:09 <adamw> on https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/21/ we need to be looking at the non-optional tests which haven't been run since beta
16:16:46 <nirik> when's the next blocker review?
16:16:49 * kinokoio pulls in a chair
16:17:11 <roshi> wednesday, like usual
16:17:30 * roshi is going to send the announcement after this meeting
16:17:53 <nirik> well, I fear many people will be gone wed and the rest of the week (developer wise)
16:18:06 <kinokoio> Need some help?
16:18:16 <roshi> oh yeah, there's a thing this week isn't there
16:18:31 <nirik> perhaps we could do something later in this meeting? or today?
16:18:35 <adamw> we can run one after the meeting
16:18:41 <adamw> it's really best if we announce it ahead of time though
16:18:46 <roshi> yeah
16:18:50 <jreznik_2nd> nirik: yep, it's a good idea, actually for some reason I expected it today
16:18:50 <adamw> last cycle we got into a swing of announcing a blocker after the monday meeting
16:19:01 <adamw> blocker review meeting*
16:19:05 <roshi> I guess I shoulda thought about that and sent an announcement htis weekend
16:19:17 <nirik> yeah, if we could get approvals today we can try and get developers to work on stuff today/tomorrow...
16:19:46 <nirik> and possibly get a rc1 wed... which would be nice because people could hammer on it as they like over the holiday
16:20:09 <roshi> sgtm
16:20:09 <adamw> i'm up for doing blocker review after the meeting if enough other folks are
16:20:13 <roshi> sure
16:20:15 <adamw> we can postpone anything contentious to wed
16:20:20 <jreznik_2nd> europe will be working this, so it depends on what's going to be accepted/who's maintainer
16:20:23 <adamw> just get the obvious ones agreed at least
16:20:27 * nirik can help
16:20:37 <nirik> jreznik_2nd: true.
16:20:46 <jreznik_2nd> so we can nag some people here to help
16:21:31 <adamw> #agreed we'll run a blocker review meeting after this meeting (yay meetings)
16:22:28 <roshi> whee!
16:23:26 * kparal celebrates with a bottle of beer
16:23:43 <kparal> or maybe something stronger
16:23:44 <adamw> we have one accepted blocker that's waiting for verification of fix - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1165261 . it's freeipa, but doesn't really need a TC4 to test. sgallagh, did your testing of the update include verifying that bug?
16:24:01 <adamw> .fire kparal no drinks weaker than cask-strength whisk(e)y acceptable on this ship
16:24:01 <zodbot> adamw fires kparal no drinks weaker than cask-strength whisk(e)y acceptable on this ship
16:24:27 <adamw> fivebeers are honorably excepted
16:24:35 <sgallagh> /me reviews that BZ
16:24:42 * kparal changes to slivovice
16:24:45 <sgallagh> I did not experience the issue.
16:25:08 <adamw> sgallagh: did you do an ipa-server-install ?
16:25:23 <sgallagh> adamw: Yes, that's done under the hood with rolekit, which I tested
16:25:59 <sgallagh> I'm comfortable saying that this is fixed until proven otherwise.
16:26:04 <adamw> then I believe we can mark it VERIFIED
16:26:20 <adamw> done
16:27:14 <adamw> so with that we're doing well on blocker fix validation i think.
16:28:19 <adamw> on the release criteria + test case subtopic...I'm still in the process of writing test cases for all sgallagh's new server criteria, but i think we have the full set of criteria that are wanted for Final
16:28:51 <adamw> do we have any criteria work outstanding for cloud, roshi? mclasen, anything for workstation? I think we decided the criteria for workstation are OK now too
16:28:53 <roshi> I had a question about criteria, but for cloud
16:29:06 <roshi> I mailed the list
16:29:08 <roshi> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2014-November/123936.html
16:29:40 <roshi> got no feedback
16:29:45 <adamw> seems fine by me
16:29:48 * adamw will +1 the ticket
16:30:08 <mclasen> adamw: don't know about criteria, but I just attached icons to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1130794 - may want to do a setroubleshoot build with those included
16:30:10 <adamw> sorry i didn't see it earlier
16:30:26 <adamw> mclasen: thanks, let's try and find someone to do the setroubleshoot build...
16:30:45 <roshi> I'll go ahead and add it to the final criteria then
16:30:57 <roshi> I just wanted some QA eyes on it before i went changing things
16:31:09 <jreznik_2nd> adamw: for workstation, are high contrast really that important to be in criteria? but it's really up to workstation guys and mclasen
16:31:33 <mclasen> I don't think it justifies blocking the release, tbh
16:31:46 <adamw> jreznik_2nd: it's an a11y thing I believe. I think all of us who were around the last time we had these sorts of criteria were a bit worried based on past experience
16:32:22 <mclasen> but it is nice to have some pressure for getting those gaps closed
16:32:23 <jreznik_2nd> mclasen: thanks for setroubleshoot icon, I'll make sure mgrepl builds it asap
16:32:31 <adamw> mclasen: so the requirement comes in via https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Guidelines/Applications_and_Launchers
16:32:48 <adamw> mclasen: which is under control of the ws WG, so if we don't really want to block release on it, it could be changed into a SHOULD
16:33:08 <jreznik_2nd> mclasen: I understand it's nice to have pressure and seems it helps but we can do it more in step by step way
16:33:37 <adamw> i'm not a fan of using the blocker process as a way to get 'some pressure' on things, it doesn't work out well in the end (you end up with the RHEL situation where you can't tell the blockers from the not-really-blocking-the-release-but-someone-wanted-it-on-a-priority-list bugs)
16:34:54 <adamw> we can discuss it on desktop@ i guess
16:35:20 <mclasen> I know and yes, we can discuss it on the list
16:36:26 <adamw> okey dokey
16:36:31 <adamw> anything else for f21?
16:36:42 <adamw> #action adamw to mail desktop@ about release blocking status of high-contrast icons
16:36:50 <jreznik_2nd> adamw: thanks
16:37:15 * jreznik_2nd thinks it's all for F21, it's shaping out well
16:40:35 <adamw> OK, moving on
16:40:39 <adamw> oh, oops
16:40:44 <adamw> #chair jreznik_2nd mclasen roshi
16:40:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw jreznik_2nd mclasen roshi
16:40:58 <adamw> #topic Test Days
16:41:09 <adamw> I just wanted to check in on test day status since I haven't been following it super closely
16:41:17 <adamw> for those who have, has it been going OK? do we have any more coming?
16:41:22 <roshi> last testday I was tracking was Atomic
16:41:24 <roshi> which we just had
16:41:32 <roshi> went off without a hitch I think
16:41:42 <roshi> jzb: do you concur?
16:42:40 * roshi double checks, but doesn't think there are any more coming
16:43:31 <adamw> #info last test day, Atomic, went off OK, that should be the end of the F21 Test Days - thanks all who helped out
16:45:24 <adamw> i like simple topics!
16:45:45 <adamw> proposals for more test days can always be filed in trac, of course
16:45:52 <adamw> alrighty, on to...
16:45:54 <adamw> #topic Open floor
16:46:07 <adamw> anyone have anything we should discuss that hasn't come up yet?
16:46:57 <roshi> not I
16:47:14 <roshi> we have 8 proposed blockers and 7 proposed FEs though
16:47:16 * jreznik_2nd neither, blocker, blockers!
16:47:31 <adamw> boy howdy, I love blocker review.
16:47:39 <roshi> me too
16:47:43 <roshi> best part of the week
16:47:44 * adamw grabs the meths
16:47:57 <adamw> blocker review at the top of the hour?
16:48:03 <roshi> sgtm
16:48:10 <roshi> BYOB
16:48:55 <kparal> sigh, ok
16:49:07 <sgallagh> I can't make the blocker review today, though I did vote in one ticket.
16:49:28 <roshi> thanks sgallagh
16:49:36 <jreznik_2nd> ack, time to grab at least some apple in the office as emergency solution
16:49:58 * adamw ties sgallagh to the mast
16:50:13 <sgallagh> /me can see his house from here!
16:52:57 <adamw> okey dokey, thanks for coming, folks
16:53:02 <adamw> nice to be on time for a change :)
16:53:05 <adamw> #endmeeting