17:00:19 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2014-12-11)
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17:00:20 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:58 * EvilBob 
17:01:12 * nirik will wait a few for folks to wander in.
17:01:14 <nirik> morning EvilBob
17:01:19 * randomuser bums around
17:01:37 * nirik waves to randomuser
17:01:57 <randomuser> morning
17:02:02 <EvilBob> I'll be back in 5, something just came up with my Son's online school. I have nothing for the open floor.
17:02:43 <nirik> k
17:04:15 <nirik> #topic Weeks in review
17:04:32 <nirik> Anyone have anything to note from the last few weeks? Common bugs or issues?
17:04:39 <nirik> Seems like release day went pretty well.
17:04:57 <randomuser> nothing really unexpected - normal upgrade concerns
17:05:04 <nirik> yeah.
17:05:51 <nirik> There was a dhcp issue I saw several folks hit... seems to be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1154200
17:06:13 <nirik> (dhcp in f21 doesn't use the same identifier, so if you have things locked to the identifer it won't get an ip)
17:06:54 <randomuser> interesting - I saw a similar bug but it was closed by the reporter for unspecified site-specific stuff
17:07:37 <nirik> also, there were some questions around the old install dvd, thats no longer around. adamw wrote up a post on that: https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/12/10/fedora-21-greatest-hits-non-server-non-live-installs-fedup-product-behaviour/
17:08:01 <randomuser> nice
17:08:16 <nirik> all the rest of stuff I've seen is pretty standard...
17:08:56 <randomuser> orionp has some instantmirror thing that transparently grabs from a remote repo; I've been thinking of reading up on it and maybe promoting it for folks that want dvd repo style deployments
17:09:02 <EvilBob> I guess it's time to move to CentOS until they do away with the DVD there also...
17:09:03 <N3LRX> The no more install dvd got me. I was looking for it but couldn't find it.
17:09:34 <nirik> randomuser: there was another one listed in that thread too... haven't looked at it tho
17:09:46 <nirik> http://sharkcz.livejournal.com/2534.html
17:10:02 <adamw> nirik: the fedup stuff in my blog i think may come up too
17:10:19 <adamw> nirik: especially look out for that firewall-on-upgrade issue i edited into the post a bit later
17:10:29 <nirik> yeah. is that on the fedup page too? I've mostly been pointing people to the fedup wiki page
17:10:47 <adamw> maybe not, yet, i'll check and add it if so
17:11:27 <adamw> oh, also, if you get people with lots of ext4 partitions saying the installer's stuck early on, that may be https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170803 , it's nominated for commonbugs but i didn't write it up yet
17:12:10 <randomuser> cmurph wrote that up - I'm a bit confused why he didn't put it in commonbugs yet
17:13:06 <nirik> didn't want to mess with arcane wiki syntax? ;)
17:14:18 <nirik> anyhow. anything else off hand to note?
17:14:38 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:14:39 <adamw> nirik: hey, i made commonbugs easier this cycle. templates! lovely templates!
17:14:50 <nirik> no tickets, so anything for open floor?
17:15:02 <nirik> most likely we won't meet again until jan... since holidays are coming up.
17:15:06 <adamw> also a page with nice formatted instructions at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_bugs_instructions , instead of instructions in the wikitext, which...i don't know why I didn't think of that before.
17:15:10 <nirik> adamw: you and your templates!
17:15:17 <adamw> so, yeah, no excuses not to add stuff to the commonbugs as it comes up, folks. ;)
17:15:29 <randomuser> anecdotally, I'm a bit disappointed that so many people seem to think that 'developer focus' means they are excluded, and won't be able to facebook or look at kitten pictures with Fedora anymore
17:15:34 <Sonar_Gal> morning
17:15:52 <nirik> randomuser: thats a weird/hard message to get accross I guess.
17:15:55 <nirik> morning Sonar_Gal
17:16:11 <adamw> developers love kittens too.
17:16:15 <nirik> "we are focusing on developers" "I'm not a developer, so it must be completely useless to me"
17:16:52 <randomuser> it quickly turns into more of a critique on society's marketing-driven behavior, so meh
17:16:53 <nirik> adamw: some of them perhaps.
17:17:24 * nirik isn't in marketing. Use what you like and meets your needs. You almost always have to try things to know, no marketing copy will always be right
17:17:31 <randomuser> indeed
17:20:00 <nirik> so, I guess next meeting for jan 8th? Anyone have anything else before we close?
17:20:21 <EvilBob> Merry Christmas!
17:20:27 <Sonar_Gal> Nope that works for me
17:20:30 <nirik> also happy new year! ;)
17:21:28 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone.
17:21:30 <nirik> #endmeeting