06:00:12 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
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06:00:17 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
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06:00:21 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:25 <pravins> hi all
06:00:40 <pravins> .hellomynameis pravins
06:00:42 <zodbot> pravins: pravins 'Pravin Satpute' <psatpute@redhat.com>
06:00:47 <pravins> who else there
06:00:50 <paragan> hi
06:01:16 <anish_> Hi
06:01:26 <pravins> hi paragan anish_ :)
06:01:51 <epico> hi
06:02:22 <ueno> hi
06:02:27 <pravins> hi epico, ueno :)
06:02:28 <juhp> hi
06:02:44 * pravins almost in Holiday mode ;)
06:03:04 <pravins> hi juhp :)
06:03:26 * pravins looking for tagoh_ ^^
06:03:40 * pravins looking for mfabian  ^^
06:03:43 <pravins> lets start
06:03:46 <tagoh_> hi
06:04:02 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-12-24
06:04:17 <pravins> hi tagoh_ :)
06:04:24 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:04:30 <pravins> #info 2014-12-09 	Fedora 21 Release
06:04:30 <pravins> #info 2015-01-20 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
06:05:25 <pravins> only things to Note here, we have "System wide changes" deadline on 20th Jan.
06:06:10 <pravins> #topic Outstanding topic
06:06:18 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:06:18 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:06:44 <anish_> sent an email https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2014-December/msg00006.html
06:06:56 <anish_> to fedora-devel and gnome-i18n
06:07:17 <anish_> seems we are okay to black list xkb layouts for Indian languages
06:07:21 <pravins> anish_: great.
06:07:29 <pravins> anish_: any replies or objections on same?
06:08:00 <anish_> nope we did not get any disapproval
06:08:33 <pravins> thats great. it will help lot to Indian language users.
06:09:14 <pravins> #info Anish sent an email to gnome-i18n and fedora-devel about blacklisting Indix xkb map, no objection yet.
06:09:33 <juhp> so next step would be to come up with a list/patch?
06:10:29 <juhp> pravins, (it is holiday today in Germany btw)
06:11:02 <pravins> juhp: ohh, i was not aware. Holiday already started in Germany :)
06:11:16 <anish_> yeah we need to add xkb layouts in xconfig.xml
06:11:28 <juhp> anish_, ok
06:11:30 <anish_> so that it wont show them
06:11:55 <pravins> anish_: so we are targeting this for Fedora 22, right?
06:12:57 <anish_> yeah
06:13:18 <pravins> nice, we have good time, hopefully we can manage this with upstream.
06:13:25 <pravins> #info blacklisting xkb Indic layout is planned for Fedora 22.
06:14:26 <pravins> lets move ahead, we will discuss further in next meeting.
06:14:30 <juhp> anish_, evdev.extras.xml
06:15:09 <anish_> yeah Rui told us that day
06:15:30 <pravins> #topic Outstanding task
06:15:40 <pravins> #info #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup (i18n@lists.fedoraproject.org)
06:15:40 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35
06:16:27 <pravins> This is still remaining task. Lets target to complete this by Jan 15.
06:16:39 <pravins> i will try to ping individual to get this done :)
06:16:47 <paragan> sure
06:17:09 <pravins> juhp: vision statement is done, do we want mission statements now?
06:18:44 <pravins> #action pravins to ping individual and try to get I18N wiki cleaup task done by Jan 15.
06:19:36 <juhp> pravins, yeah I guess
06:19:51 <juhp> well next :)
06:20:41 <pravins> i think we can make 4-5 mission statement targeting each domain fonts, IME, CLDR and other tools related to i18n.
06:21:19 <juhp> anish_, I think you could contact whot about the change to xkeyboard-config
06:21:44 <anish_> juhp, okay i will contact him
06:21:50 <juhp> thanks!
06:22:15 <juhp> pravins, maybe Jan is better?
06:22:33 <pravins> juhp: yes, lets start some activity again in Jan.
06:23:12 <pravins> #info will start creating few mission statements for i18n group.
06:23:24 <pravins> lets move ahead. we have interesting topics :)
06:23:33 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:23:33 <pravins> #info #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins)
06:23:56 <pravins> So as of now, we have 3 Change proposals
06:24:00 <pravins> 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit2_Odia_Telugu
06:24:20 <pravins> from paragan https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DnfLangpacksPlugin
06:24:32 <pravins> one from anish_ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ibus_devanglish
06:24:49 <pravins> all these 3 are self contained changes.
06:24:54 <juhp> anish_, nice name ;o)
06:25:11 <anish_> :)
06:25:25 <juhp> anish_, would calling it ibus-devanagari be strange though?
06:25:39 <pravins> juhp: in India, there is few new languages are emerging like (Hinglish- Hindi + English)
06:25:51 <juhp> I can imagine
06:25:52 <pravins> people mix words lot.
06:26:13 <juhp> anyway just wondering about the best naming...
06:26:54 <juhp> and potentially it could be generalized beyond devanagari perhaps later - but that could also be covered by a renamed if needed I suppose
06:27:02 <juhp> rename
06:27:10 <juhp> anyway
06:27:37 <pravins> truly speaking i will recommend IME, independent of ibus. It can help us to get more users across platforms.
06:27:50 <pravins> one can simple download and test without dependency on ibus.
06:27:52 <juhp> ah a library?  right
06:27:59 <juhp> hmm
06:28:00 <pravins> for Input framework
06:28:14 <juhp> hmm
06:28:28 <pravins> fujiwarat: hi
06:28:29 <juhp> why not an ibus ime too though?
06:28:51 <fujiwarat> pravins: hi
06:29:03 <pravins> yes, we can start with it.
06:29:46 <juhp> I think a library and IME might be good but yeah library could also be refactored later
06:29:58 <pravins> yes, this looks good idea.
06:30:26 <juhp> anish_, python?
06:30:45 <pravins> paragan: DnfLangpacksPlugin is still in Incomplete stage.
06:30:48 <anish_> juhp, yeah python at first then i will use vala for library
06:31:12 <juhp> ok
06:31:26 <pravins> fujiwarat: I gone through your comments on https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40#comment:2
06:31:35 * juhp notes that ibus-kkc can also do English to Japanese transliteration
06:31:57 <pravins> are you planning any particular major upstream release during Fedora 22 life cycle.
06:32:28 <anish_> Yeah I target F22
06:34:05 <paragan> pravins, I will finish that Change by this week
06:34:12 * pravins thinking how can we submit ibus improvement as a Change proposal. My only intention with Change proposals we can get better testing and some recognition as well.
06:34:45 <pravins> tagoh_ juhp any idea ^^
06:35:09 <pravins> 5 major bugfix improvements are planned for ibus
06:35:18 <pravins> Use language icons instead of layout icons for xkb ibus engines on non-gnome panel.
06:35:18 <pravins> Preload ibus engines on gnome desktop to reduce the launching time when users switch the engines.
06:35:18 <pravins> Disable IME on gnome-shell lock screen by panel instead of ibus engines.
06:35:18 <pravins> Fix a kde5 Korean issue.
06:35:39 <juhp> fujiwarat, language icons means similar to gnome?
06:35:51 <fujiwarat> juhp: right
06:35:53 <tagoh_> pravins: we could add bug list to nice-to-test for test event maybe?
06:35:54 <juhp> I see
06:36:41 <pravins> tagoh_: nice idea.
06:36:42 <tagoh_> that should works enough for them.
06:36:51 <juhp> personally I prefer layout codes to lang codes, but maybe consistency is more important?  hmm
06:37:37 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, fair enough. We can get good testing with that.
06:37:59 <pravins> #action add ibus improvement/fixes as a nice-to-test in testing event.
06:38:32 <pravins> tagoh_: do we have testing page for Fedora 22 available anywhere? i think good we can start collecting test cases from now.
06:40:08 <tagoh_> pravins: no, not yet. planning to move to the TestdayApp in f22. or we could open a ticket and add a note there?
06:40:45 <pravins> tagoh_: yeah, we decided last time. can you help for this?
06:41:07 <pravins> juhp: we (me and mike) had few email conversation with carlos last week regarding proposing glibc Unicode 7.0 update as a change propose for F22.
06:41:19 <pravins> carlso said he will help as much as possible.
06:41:23 <tagoh_> pravins: sure. will open a ticket for f22 testday event then.
06:41:31 <pravins> thank you tagoh_ :)
06:42:03 <pravins> i think i i will go ahead and propose change and add siddhesh and mike as owner as well.
06:42:04 <juhp> pravins, aha good
06:42:16 <juhp> okay
06:42:31 <fujiwarat> juhp: A user requested to change layouts to languages.
06:42:38 <fujiwarat> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ibus-user/RgZKg9c3js4
06:42:46 <juhp> pravins, so patches may be included in f22?
06:42:52 <pravins> #action pravins to create change proposal for glibc unicode 7.0 update.
06:44:07 <pravins> juhp: carlos said Fedora 22 will be release with glibc 2.22
06:44:25 <pravins> so we do have chance to get our patches in upstream by glibc 2.22
06:44:44 <juhp> fujiwarat, ok
06:44:44 <pravins> next glibc release in Jan is 2.21
06:45:00 <juhp> okay cool
06:46:09 <pravins> epico: ueno do you have any Change proposal plan for Fedora 22?
06:46:20 <epico> not currently
06:46:34 <juhp> I want to ask him about the status of reducing the default number of installed/setup locales too
06:46:49 <pravins> epico: no problem. thanks :)
06:47:05 <epico> welcome
06:47:50 <pravins> juhp: aha, right he mentioned in flock. I did not saw any plan recently for same.
06:48:00 <pravins> lets move for next topic
06:48:17 <pravins> #info #41: Need to check whether any F22 proposed change affect i18n (pravins)
06:48:22 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41
06:48:58 <pravins> This ticket i opened yesterday just to see if we need any kind of action from our side for proposed system-wide changes.
06:49:03 <pravins> presently accepted changes are
06:49:15 <pravins> 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/perl5.20
06:49:15 <pravins> 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Preupgrade_Assistant
06:49:15 <pravins> 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3_as_Default
06:49:16 <pravins> 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_on_Rails_4.2
06:49:16 <pravins> 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UEFISecureBootBlacklistUpdates
06:51:40 <pravins> AFAIK nothing need for UEFISecureBootBlacklistUpdates  perl5.20 Preupgrade_Assistant Ruby_on_Rails_4.2 from our side.
06:52:12 <pravins> might be we need to make sure our python based application and migrated for python3, i think we already did most of them.
06:53:58 <pravins> we will track proposed changes till Change proposal deadline and them close this ticket.
06:54:16 <pravins> #info https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41 to be closed after Change proposal submission deadline.
06:54:44 <juhp> okay
06:55:34 <pravins> lets move to last topic of day quickly.
06:55:35 <pravins> #info #39: Bugs corner (pravins)
06:55:35 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/39
06:55:52 <pravins> any bugs would like to discuss?
06:57:57 <pravins> looks nothing. Lets discuss more next year :)
06:58:08 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:58:32 <pravins> Did we missed any topic in today meeting?
06:58:54 <pravins> As we planned bi-weekly meeting last time. We dont have meeting coming Wed. 31st Dec.
06:59:29 <pravins> but we will be having two consecutive meeting on 7th and 14 Jan since deadline for change proposal in 20th Jan.
07:01:15 <pravins> lets wait for couple of minutes and close the meeting.
07:03:25 <pravins> anish_: paragan epico ueno juhp tagoh_ fujiwarat thanks for nice meeting.
07:03:31 <pravins> Wishing you all Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !!
07:03:38 <anish_> thank you!
07:03:48 <pravins> #endmeeting