16:03:07 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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16:03:09 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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16:03:11 <adamw> #topic Roll call
16:03:16 <amita> heya
16:03:32 * mkrizek is here
16:03:37 <apatel> here
16:03:46 * roshi is here
16:03:46 * kparal here
16:03:58 * Greylocks is here
16:04:06 * tflink is here
16:04:10 * satellit listening
16:04:19 <adamw> ahoyhoy folks
16:04:32 <adamw> #chair roshi kparal
16:04:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal roshi
16:04:33 * nirik is lurking in the back
16:05:36 <roshi> good showing :)
16:06:14 <adamw> yup yup
16:06:21 <adamw> everyone must've gotten over the hangover by now
16:07:00 <amita> first meeting of 2015
16:07:04 * pschindl is here
16:09:59 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
16:10:36 <adamw> "adamw to sync with cmurf and look at revising multiboot criteria" - nope still haven't done that, really (boy I suck). but cmurf has posted to the list about it, which i have earmarked to look at later
16:10:40 <adamw> holidays kinda got in the way
16:10:54 <adamw> i'll put it on the list one more time before deciding the person's an idiot and not adding it any more :P
16:11:05 <adamw> #action adamw to sync with cmurf and look at revising multiboot criteria
16:11:15 <adamw> any other follow-up?
16:12:12 * roshi has nothing
16:14:20 <adamw> #topic Blocker bug review planning
16:14:29 <adamw> so as we know, everyone just *loves* blocker bug review meetings
16:14:39 <adamw> so clearly what we need is to have more of them, and as soon as possible! right?
16:14:48 <roshi> whee!
16:15:16 <kparal> ... guess so...
16:15:34 <Corey84> .fas Corey84
16:15:35 <zodbot> Corey84: corey84 'Corey84' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
16:15:37 <Corey84> late sorry
16:16:03 <amita> adamw, they will be longer than before :/ or earlier in the cycle meaning shorter as well?
16:16:16 * Corey84 hates blocker mtgs but hates blocker bugs themselves even more :)
16:16:33 <roshi> haha
16:16:54 <roshi> adamw and I thought that having them earlier would help stop the really long ones later in the cycle
16:16:57 <roshi> spread it out more
16:17:28 <Corey84> I ok with that but that early hour in the day is troublesome at times
16:17:47 <adamw> Corey84: it's always tricky to find a time that works for everyone :/ it's mid-evening for europe atm
16:18:09 <adamw> Corey84: it's annoying for me too but if we push it any later folks in europe are reviewing blockers at the bar, and we all know how that ends ;)
16:18:15 <Corey84> I know lol  I make the sacrifice for the -docs -ambassadors mtgs too
16:18:28 <Corey84> indeed
16:18:55 <adamw> so yeah, my thought was if we start reviewing early and review all nominated blockers for *all* milestones from the start, we get earlier knowledge of what bugs are most important (for us and devs) and we avoid the huge meetings later in the cycle
16:18:57 <Corey84> im up late normally up too early is normally my issue
16:19:20 <Corey84> adamw, i agree
16:19:27 <roshi> I'm +1 for the idea, anyways
16:19:29 <adamw> right now we have 3 proposed alpha, 2 proposed beta, and 3 proposed final blockers - we could empty the list with one review meeting
16:19:40 <Corey84> or if they occur there is more heads up
16:19:42 <Corey84> +1
16:19:50 <roshi> yep - instead of letting them build up
16:20:14 <amita> and chances of acceptance will increase
16:20:18 <amita> +1
16:20:33 * danofsatx|w is here, kinda sorta maybe
16:20:47 <pschindl> How often should it be?
16:20:48 <brunowolff> I am more likely to attend short blocker meetings than marathons.
16:20:50 <danofsatx|w> happy new year, y'all
16:21:13 <adamw> pschindl: i think as before, depends on size of the list - it's just about starting, like, right now instead of around alpha tc1
16:21:28 <adamw> so i'd say we just schedule one a week as usual at first, and if they're getting too long we can go to 2
16:22:09 <Corey84> would anyone be opposed to  say a guideline of once weekly UNLESS we get X number total or in a criterion?
16:22:25 <Corey84> adamw, +1
16:22:56 <danofsatx|w> I like Corey84's idea
16:23:07 <apatel> +1
16:23:19 <roshi> that works for me
16:24:02 <kparal> I wouldn't set up too many rules right now. let's just try it and see how it works
16:24:03 <Kinokoio> +1
16:24:15 <roshi> probably a good call
16:24:20 <apatel> +1
16:24:34 <adamw> kparal: yeah
16:24:36 <adamw> okey dokey
16:24:39 <roshi> if we start doing more than one on a regular basis, we can try to put some informal structure on it later
16:24:50 <Corey84> see how many bugs starts getting marathons stage at once/week   then that becomes the cutoff
16:24:54 <adamw> #agreed everyone seems on board with the idea of starting up blocker review now and reviewing for all milestones to try and stay on top of the bug pile
16:25:11 <adamw> #action roshi to arrange and announce first f22 blocker review meeting this week
16:25:16 <adamw> that OK roshi?
16:25:21 <roshi> yep
16:25:52 <adamw> cool beans
16:26:02 <adamw> welp, i don't see any other agenda topics, so let's throw it straight to...
16:26:04 <adamw> #topic Open floor
16:26:20 <roshi> I'll do it after the meeting
16:26:20 <adamw> if anyone's been wondering about nightlies - as it's been RH vacation time, no new anaconda/related package builds have showed up
16:26:37 <adamw> so no new nightly compose has been 'nominated' due to the 'interesting package change' test
16:26:51 <adamw> if i'm counting right, tomorrow's will get nominated so long as it's testable, because it'll have been 14 days since the last one
16:26:56 <satellit> wiki page to report tests of lives anyway?
16:27:09 <satellit> several build each day but not all
16:27:11 * Corey84 took a break from 22 nightlies for the holidays
16:27:17 <adamw> satellit: there's no need to have a {{result for every test - just file blocker bugs when you hit 'em
16:27:25 <satellit> k
16:28:36 <satellit> boot.iso installs end in console login (latest)
16:28:57 <adamw> fun!
16:29:07 <adamw> when did that start happening?
16:29:25 <satellit> 4-5 days ago?
16:29:33 <adamw> #info current Rawhide nightly boot.iso installs hit a console login screen for satellit since ~5 days ago, confirmation would be great
16:29:51 <roshi> I think I've seen that
16:30:22 <Corey84> satellit,  which boot.iso ?  Ill test out today
16:30:32 <roshi> will confirm though
16:31:30 <satellit> not sure it depends on boot.iso date  sources may be problems  (same anaconda for a while)
16:31:32 <adamw> Corey84: the rawhide nightly ones i'm guessing
16:32:01 <adamw> Corey84: so https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso is the current one, you can find the last few days at http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/
16:32:05 * satellit x86 rawhide here
16:32:43 <Corey84> ah nice to know i default to x64 myself  will check both of the archs
16:33:16 <Kinokoio> downloading boot.iso to test
16:33:28 <adamw> anyone else got any interesting testing notes or ideas or anything?
16:33:52 <Corey84> none here
16:34:31 <Kinokoio> I don't know how to test packages in rawhide.
16:35:28 <adamw> Kinokoio: did you read https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide ?
16:35:31 <roshi> text mode crashes if you enter the software selection spoke before installation source is set up
16:36:09 <roshi> .bug 1178214
16:36:12 <zodbot> roshi: Bug 1178214 AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'environments_iter' - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1178214
16:36:30 * roshi should rename that
16:37:12 <adamw> nice
16:37:25 <roshi> it also dies if there's no network configured :)
16:37:37 <roshi> satellit and I were poking a tthat on friday
16:38:03 <satellit_e> +1
16:38:08 <Corey84> the latter makes sense short of a local media install
16:38:12 <Corey84> +1
16:38:19 <satellit_e> cannot install from wireless only
16:38:39 <adamw> yeah, i don't think it's meant to do that
16:38:40 <roshi> perhaps, but it should warn you there's no network and let you configure wireless instead of just committing suicide
16:38:50 <satellit_e> +1
16:39:27 <satellit_e> it sees wireless but crashes before can configure it
16:41:01 <adamw> well the anaconda devs are back on the job this week so they should be picking these bugs up
16:42:03 <adamw> sounds like that's about all we had
16:43:05 <Kinokoio> The boot.iso I downloaded lacks many languages, including English
16:44:46 <adamw> huh, that sounds odd. english should always be there.
16:44:53 * adamw sets the Acme Meeting Fuse
16:45:01 <adamw> thanks for coming, everyone
16:46:27 * danofsatx|w runs fer da hillz
16:47:12 <Kinokoio> nvm, rebooted and all languages are there
16:47:46 <roshi> happy new year everyone!
16:48:14 <satellit_e> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178932 wireless crash of boot.iso
16:48:19 <Kinokoio> Maybe I accidentally entered input in filter
16:49:09 <adamw> happy new year all!
16:49:11 <adamw> #endmeeting