15:00:31 <pknirsch> #startmeeting Fedora Base Design Working Group (2015-01-16)
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15:00:44 <pknirsch> #meetingname  Fedora Base Design Working Group
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15:00:54 <pknirsch> #chair haraldh msekleta dgilmore masta jreznik_2nd
15:00:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore haraldh jreznik_2nd masta msekleta pknirsch
15:01:10 <pknirsch> good morning/afternoon/night everyone and welcome to a new year!
15:01:15 <haraldh> moin
15:01:41 <msekleta> hi everyone
15:01:43 * jreznik_2nd is here (and watching beginning of design FAD)
15:02:01 <vpavlin> hi
15:02:11 <pknirsch> oki, lets move right into our topics for today:
15:02:35 <pknirsch> #topic Status buildrequires cleanup work (davids & nils!)
15:02:50 <pknirsch> so nphilipp, any news over the new year?
15:03:56 <nphilipp> pknirsch: not much unfortunately -- I'm still struggling with getting mock going on the p7plus machine karsten lent me. I suspect it's some secondary arch issue but my experience with these is not much :(
15:04:43 <pknirsch> hm, odd, i've had it working last year without many issues
15:04:58 <pknirsch> we can hook up next week about it, i can take a look at it
15:05:23 <nphilipp> cool thanks
15:05:31 <pknirsch> np :)
15:05:42 <pknirsch> ok, lets move on then.
15:05:59 <pknirsch> #topic Docker update
15:06:18 <pknirsch> just wanted to see if vpavlin, msekleta or anyone else had any news yet
15:06:40 <vpavlin> Hey, I wanted to do some changes in the base image but I somehow "lost" the permissions to commit to spin-kickstarts.git:/
15:06:48 <pknirsch> ugh
15:07:11 <vpavlin> I've sent email to dgilmore but without any response so far
15:07:19 <pknirsch> :(
15:08:50 <pknirsch> I think to recall there were also a few patches pending for upstream, right? Any news on those yet?
15:09:02 <msekleta> in docker land there has been some progress on infamous /run-on-tmpfs patch
15:09:06 <pknirsch> ah
15:09:08 <pknirsch> :)
15:10:25 <pknirsch> so whats the news there msekleta ?
15:10:51 <msekleta> docker people requested some docs changes and there is related pull request open for libcontainer which will allow to populate /run with contents on /run included in image if tmpfs is mounted over
15:12:03 <pknirsch> ok, nice! that sounds like we're getting there slowly
15:12:22 <haraldh> creeping
15:12:46 <pknirsch> :)
15:13:58 <pknirsch> alright, anything else vpavlin or msekleta for Docker?
15:14:09 <msekleta> so that is all for now, on my side
15:14:21 * pknirsch knows it's been a long PTO over christmas
15:14:28 <vpavlin> Nothink else from me either
15:14:32 <pknirsch> alrighty
15:14:41 <pknirsch> next up
15:14:47 <pknirsch> #topic Status rpm mechanisms for multiple config subpackages & factory reset files
15:15:01 <pknirsch> If i recall haraldh and/or ffesti wanted to take a look at the patches there, right?
15:15:31 <msekleta> I got some email from ffesti, too. Not sure if he sent the same thing to haraldh.
15:16:49 <haraldh> hmm, thinking about it, it's not a clean solution
15:17:55 <pknirsch> maybe that would be a good topic to talk with ffesti about in person at DevConf then and work on a final plan?
15:18:04 <haraldh> yep
15:18:04 <pknirsch> (and agree upon ;))
15:18:16 * msekleta nods
15:18:35 <msekleta> btw I started to work on PoC rpm plugin for factory reset
15:18:44 <pknirsch> oh, nice!
15:19:25 <haraldh> msekleta, :)
15:19:55 <pknirsch> ok, so that takes us nicely over to the next 2 topics i think:
15:20:02 <pknirsch> #topic F22 and DevConf
15:20:16 <msekleta> however we had a brainstorming about the approach with lnykryn and we already found out couple problems
15:20:34 <pknirsch> lets combine those as i suspect many if not all of us will be there, so we should take the chance to sit together and work out whats on the plan for F22
15:20:37 <Corey84> .fas Corey84
15:20:38 <zodbot> Corey84: corey84 'Corey84' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
15:20:43 <Corey84> sorry im late
15:21:24 <msekleta> I agree we should talk about those issues during devconf
15:22:20 <pknirsch> We'll probably have to wing this a bit there then though as Radek already mentioned it's going to be packed, so we might struggle a bit for a room then, but i'm sure we'll find some way to do that
15:23:34 <Corey84> someone is gonna be in a hotel no?  use a conference room off site if needed
15:24:52 <pknirsch> Alright, so what are the other important items for F22 we have? Ownership of the base image, but we already do that, so i suspect no specific base ownership additional work, though maybe the other WGs might have requests (but haven't seen any)
15:24:55 <pknirsch> good point Corey84
15:24:59 <pknirsch> and good idea
15:25:16 <Corey84> I used to valet for hotels  its natural
15:25:19 <Corey84> :)
15:25:24 <pknirsch> hehe :)
15:25:53 <Corey84> refresh my memory where is it this year  ( too many mtgs last 48 hours brain is mush(
15:26:19 <pknirsch> :)
15:26:29 <vpavlin> We are trying to figure out more specific definition of Rings in Env&Stacks..Ring0 would probably be defined by Base WG as a minimal installable system
15:27:08 <vpavlin> But there will definitely be an official request when we come to some conclusion..
15:27:45 <pknirsch> mhm, good point vpavlin
15:28:14 <pknirsch> Env&Stacks will most likely have a workshop at DevConf i think? Maybe we can have a discussion with them there then.
15:28:23 <vpavlin> pknirsch: yes
15:28:33 <pknirsch> Corey84: DevConf will be in Brno as usual, but i think the place changed this year.
15:28:41 <pknirsch> (different university)
15:29:34 <Corey84> thats what i couldnt remember as  I know several hotel chain CEOs was thinking maybe a special request for some space
15:30:47 <haraldh> IIRC, the university has some tables and seats in the hall
15:31:01 <pknirsch> yea. it's the Avanti again, right haraldh ?
15:31:05 <haraldh> so, it might be possible to just meet outside in the hall
15:31:25 <haraldh> pknirsch, I am in the Avanti.. yes.. but it is full now
15:31:39 <haraldh> I was talking about the "Fakulta informačních technologií"
15:31:54 <pknirsch> yea, i now remember Radek's email about it being booked completely already
15:31:58 <pknirsch> ah ye
15:32:51 <haraldh> msekleta, should know it well :)
15:32:58 <pknirsch> hehe
15:33:01 <haraldh> s/,//
15:33:17 <msekleta> yep :)
15:33:56 <haraldh> ofc, I don't know which building we have
15:34:17 <haraldh> at least the building the gnome conf was had some tables
15:34:34 <pknirsch> Ok, other items for F22? I know the reproducible build/br reduction will be rawhide material anyway and ongoing, so i din't think we need to add that as a deliverable for f22
15:35:41 <pknirsch> anything Docker related that would need work/additional changes for us here? Any items from the server/workstation/cloud wg anyone is aware of?
15:36:14 <dgilmore> vpavlin: what email?
15:36:37 <dgilmore> vpavlin: when and where?
15:36:53 <dgilmore> sorry i am late had to go to the doctors something is wrong with my eye
15:36:53 <Corey84> fine on server side here
15:36:57 <vpavlin> dgilmore: $SUBJ=Cannot commit to spin-kickstarts
15:37:10 <vpavlin> dgilmore: Jan 14
15:37:16 <pknirsch> Corey84: thanks!
15:37:19 <dgilmore> vpavlin: I jhave not changed anythinga dn I am not the gatekeeper there
15:37:35 <vpavlin> dgilmore: Ok, could you point me to anybody?
15:39:05 <dgilmore> vpavlin: are you in the right group in fas?
15:39:30 <vpavlin> dgilmore: let's take it off this channel..
15:39:36 <dgilmore> vpavlin: sure
15:40:48 <pknirsch> Oki, anything else about F22 or DevConf?
15:42:01 <pknirsch> I take that as a no, so lets move to the Open Floor quickly
15:42:05 <pknirsch> #topic Open Floor
15:42:22 <pknirsch> I actually personally do have one more topic related to me:
15:43:30 <pknirsch> Due to a personal change i'll be giving up my seat here in the WG at the end of February, so that should give us enough time to decide on a replacement.
15:45:24 <pknirsch> But thats all for now at least from me.
15:46:11 <pknirsch> anything else?
15:46:58 <jreznik_2nd> :(
15:47:09 <jreznik_2nd> and thanks pknirsch for being our lead here!
15:47:27 <dgilmore> pknirsch: :(
15:49:30 <jreznik_2nd> and for devconf - yes, this year it's at FIT - my alma mater :)
15:49:47 <dgilmore> jreznik_2nd: where is that in Brno?
15:50:31 <jreznik_2nd> dgilmore: it's like four more stops (tram line 1) away from the old venue
15:50:47 <jreznik_2nd> a few minutes walking from a-sport
15:50:53 <pknirsch> wohoo!
15:50:56 <dgilmore> okay
15:50:58 <pknirsch> i chose the right hotel then :P
15:51:03 * pknirsch does a jig
15:51:12 <dgilmore> I put in a request for a booking at a-sport
15:51:23 * dgilmore will be in Brno Feb 2 through 13
15:51:27 <jreznik_2nd> pknirsch: avanti is not that far neither
15:51:37 <msekleta> dgilmore, it is 10 minutes walk from RH office
15:51:49 <dgilmore> msekleta: :) thanks
15:51:53 <Corey84> nice
15:51:57 <pknirsch> goodie. I'll be in Brno from the 3rd but heading back on Sunday after the devconf
15:52:30 <dgilmore> pknirsch: i get to prague at 6:45pm on the 2nd so it will be late when i get to Brno
15:52:39 <jreznik_2nd> on map http://mapy.cz/s/fgez
15:52:58 <jreznik_2nd> btw. what about FOSDEM?
15:53:09 <pknirsch> dgilmore: ye, same for me on the 3rd, i hope i won't get snow on the trip (coming by car again)
15:53:55 <jreznik_2nd> you never know in winter
15:54:01 <pknirsch> ye :/
15:54:12 <pknirsch> i typically get snow on my way back :)
15:54:16 <jreznik_2nd> last Thursday I couldn't walk from the office to my car
15:54:21 <pknirsch> hahaha
15:54:50 <jreznik_2nd> and then ice skate, not drive home :)
15:55:48 <pknirsch> ace :)
15:56:07 <dgilmore> jreznik_2nd: I will be at fossdem i arrive early on the 30th and fly out mid day on the 2nd
15:56:22 <jreznik_2nd> btw. FIT is a very nice place - http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/FIT/
15:56:27 <pknirsch> anyway, thanks everyone for joining today and for having me as a lead for the past year for the WG!
15:56:32 <dgilmore> fosdem
15:56:58 <jreznik_2nd> ok, we're leaving on first, we'll meet in Brno after it :)
15:57:20 <jreznik_2nd> (with everyone)
15:59:36 <pknirsch> #endmeeting