04:05:21 <siddhesh> #startmeeting Fedora APAC Ambassadors meeting
04:05:21 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Jan 17 04:05:21 2015 UTC.  The chair is siddhesh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:05:42 <siddhesh> #topic Roll call
04:05:44 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsun
04:05:45 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Ziqian SUN (Zamir)' <sztsian@gmail.com>
04:05:50 <amitshah> .hellomynameis amitshah
04:05:53 <zodbot> amitshah: amitshah 'Amit Shah' <amit.shah@redhat.com>
04:05:58 <praveenkumar> .hellomynameis kumarpraveen
04:05:59 <zodbot> praveenkumar: kumarpraveen 'None' <kumarpraveen.nitdgp@gmail.com>
04:07:15 <siddhesh> #topic Announcements
04:07:42 <siddhesh> There was some good news on the transaction charge reimbursements front
04:08:16 <siddhesh> Ruth said she can handle such reimbursements and can compute and include transaction charges in them
04:08:33 <siddhesh> I am not sure how that approach will scale, but it's a step forward
04:08:42 <zsun> great
04:08:53 <siddhesh> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2015-January/001659.html
04:09:31 <siddhesh> There's been no decision yet on the FUDCon bids (AFAICT from the famsco mail archive)
04:09:46 <siddhesh> so we waait another couple of weeks for that.
04:10:04 <siddhesh> #info No decision on the FUDCon bids yet
04:10:17 <amitshah> yea, looks like famsco haven't fwded their choice to the FPL
04:10:25 <zsun> FUDCon 2014 also waits a long time for FPL
04:10:56 <siddhesh> amitshah: they probably have in the last meeting they had: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2015-January/001656.html
04:11:26 <siddhesh> or rather: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2015-January/001657.html
04:12:01 <siddhesh> zsun: I guess we just need to keep following up as often as we can then.
04:12:23 <amitshah> ah!
04:12:28 <praveenkumar> yeah, It's already in famsco ML.
04:12:42 <amitshah> I missed that one. thanks.
04:13:10 <siddhesh> There's also a move to replace from FAmSCo to FOSCo: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2015-January/001658.html
04:13:49 <siddhesh> I've got nothing else in the way of announcements.  Does anybody else have news they'd like to share?
04:13:58 <tuanta_> .fas tuanta
04:13:59 <zodbot> tuanta_: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:14:03 <tuanta_> sorry, I am late
04:14:03 <siddhesh> hi tuanta_ :)
04:14:24 <siddhesh> tuanta_: just in time.  Any announcements that we should know about?
04:14:40 <siddhesh> #chair amitshah praveenkumar tuanta_ zsun
04:14:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: amitshah praveenkumar siddhesh tuanta_ zsun
04:15:53 <tuanta_> siddhesh, nothing special
04:16:33 <siddhesh> tuanta_: ok, then we move to tickets?
04:16:50 <tuanta_> yes, please
04:16:54 <siddhesh> #topic tickets
04:17:16 <siddhesh> the only reimbursement ticket is https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/168
04:17:40 <praveenkumar> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/168
04:18:05 <zsun> siddhesh: sorry I get a call just now. Maybe we can ping FPL by IRC or email after FAmSCo approved the bid
04:18:37 <siddhesh> zsun: yes, tuanta_ is already doing that
04:19:03 <siddhesh> zsun: are you involved in the taipei release party?
04:19:18 <zsun> no. I am in Beijing.
04:20:05 <siddhesh> looks like the party already happened
04:20:19 <tuanta_> yes
04:20:59 <tuanta_> I had a long discussion with them to see if we can have other choice for location
04:22:29 <tuanta_> TW team put all money to hiring the space
04:22:42 * siddhesh nods
04:22:44 <pravins> hi tuanta_
04:22:51 <tuanta_> hi pravins
04:22:53 <zsun> and the location I advised happened to be more expensive that the one they find. So the did not change the location
04:23:36 <tuanta_> they said that they had not got enough time to change, it makes sense
04:23:57 <siddhesh> seems ok to me since they are only claiming the $100 limit
04:24:15 <tuanta_> but it does not make sense to me to pay for chairs for meeting in a cafe
04:24:51 <tuanta_> siddhesh, yes, it is just one thing fine
04:25:12 <siddhesh> tuanta_: you can decide since it is under the $300 limit
04:25:56 <tuanta_> it has been happened already
04:26:15 <tuanta_> so it is hard to reject :)
04:26:18 <siddhesh> :)
04:26:51 <siddhesh> tuanta_: then approve it with a note that they should discuss with you early next time :)
04:26:58 <zsun> I think we should talk with them to make the workflow better next time.
04:27:05 <zsun> siddhesh:  +1
04:27:05 <tuanta_> +1
04:28:32 <siddhesh> there are no other reimbursement tickets today
04:29:17 <tuanta_> siddhesh, should we note it as "agreed"?
04:29:27 <siddhesh> tuanta_: yes
04:31:01 <siddhesh> #agreed reimbursement for taipei release party (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/168 )
04:31:22 <siddhesh> Next ticket is for APAC DVD distribution
04:31:27 <siddhesh> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/173
04:32:05 <siddhesh> I started a conversation with harish and he is OK with accepting the server DVD shipment from Pune
04:32:43 <siddhesh> I will send the 600-700 DVDs once I get the sleeves
04:33:12 <siddhesh> The cost for workstation DVD sleeves is higher since we need to produce only a 1000 of them
04:33:33 <siddhesh> the earlier quote was INR 5 and the quote now is INR 7.5
04:33:38 <zsun> FYI, 1000 workstation DVD already arrived in China(Beijing). We just keep it in Red Hat Beijing office to make things easier
04:33:52 <siddhesh> zsun: great!
04:34:18 <siddhesh> the total cost is still within the approved budget, but I'll make sure the process is better the next time.
04:34:53 <siddhesh> Does anybody have questions regarding this?
04:35:12 <siddhesh> also, any preference on the number of server DVDs?  Is 600 enough?
04:38:04 * tuanta_ is back (onphone)
04:38:23 <tuanta_> we are talking a bout server DVD?
04:38:27 <tuanta_> siddhesh, you produced 1000 of them?
04:38:28 <siddhesh> tuanta_: yes
04:38:59 <tuanta_> yes, I think 600 is a good initial amount
04:39:10 <tuanta_> you will keep 400?
04:39:13 <pravins> siddhesh: we have 1000 At pune, so giving 600 looks good.
04:39:58 <tuanta_> I am ok with it
04:40:08 <siddhesh> tuanta_: yeah, I can send more too if you want.  But only once, because it will be expensive to send in two shipments
04:40:56 <tuanta_> we will need to discuss with Harish more to see the way to distribute them to other countries
04:41:59 <siddhesh> tuanta_: ok
04:42:53 <siddhesh> #action siddhesh to send 600 server DVDs to harish for distribution within APAC
04:43:30 <tuanta_> Harish will distribute both workstation and server DVD togehter
04:43:35 <siddhesh> tuanta_: can you start a discussion with harish on dvd distribution to other countries?
04:43:47 <siddhesh> tuanta_: ok
04:43:49 <tuanta_> sure, I will
04:44:25 <siddhesh> tuanta_: thanks
04:44:36 * alick is around
04:44:44 <zsun> hi alick
04:45:00 <siddhesh> so no other tickets for today.  We already discussed FUDCon bids and transaction charges reimbursement.
04:45:09 <siddhesh> #topic Open floor
04:45:30 <tuanta_> siddhesh, could we mark them as specific topics
04:45:30 <amitshah> any other release parties planned?
04:45:35 <siddhesh> hi alick
04:45:39 <zsun> will hold the Beijing Release Party next weekend ;)
04:45:49 <siddhesh> tuanta_: I mentioned those in announcements
04:46:05 <tuanta_> ah, ok.
04:46:13 <tuanta_> I missed those information, sorry
04:46:19 <siddhesh> no problem :)
04:46:53 <tuanta_> Pune bid has been reviewed by FAmSCo
04:47:05 <tuanta_> and now it has been proposed to FPL
04:47:14 <tuanta_> he will decide it
04:47:36 <tuanta_> I am waiting for his response (reminded twice)
04:47:45 <siddhesh> tuanta_: thanks for following up
04:47:51 <amitshah> tuanta_: thanks!
04:48:02 <praveenkumar> Bangalore release party happened last saturday more info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F21_Bangalore
04:48:03 <tuanta_> I will try to hunt him on IRC next a few days
04:48:05 <pravins> I have one query
04:48:19 <siddhesh> pravins: please go ahead
04:48:27 <pravins> I was thinking for Internationalization FAD.
04:48:39 <pravins> We have number of open items including Fedora 22 change proposals.
04:49:06 <tuanta_> people at Fedora "head office" have got a really bad habit: really slow response
04:49:28 <pravins> But problem here is i18n project members are based at Pune (4), Beijing(2) and Tokyo (4)
04:49:30 <zsun> tuanta_:  agree.
04:49:37 <siddhesh> pravins: FADs happen in the FPL budget
04:49:42 <siddhesh> tuanta_: :)
04:50:05 <tuanta_> Ruth just replied my message about PayPal charge a few weeks after it has been proposed
04:50:11 <zsun> pravins: Who of i18n is in Beijing ?
04:50:33 <tuanta_> FUDCon Pune bid has been sent to FPL for about a week :)
04:50:40 <alick> zsun: peng wu is
04:51:00 <zsun> alick: oh. I do not know IME belongs to i18n
04:52:21 <alick> I will not be at relparty beijing next Saturday, but perhaps will talk about fedora in Chongqing's offfline event ;)
04:52:27 <pravins> zsun: i will provide information later on page.
04:52:42 <tuanta_> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2015-January/001660.html
04:52:44 <zsun> pravins: thanks. I will read that later
04:52:49 <alick> alick: that might be the only thing i know belongs to i18n ...
04:53:14 <zsun> ooops.
04:53:21 <siddhesh> tuanta_: I shared that news already :)
04:53:22 <pravins> siddhesh: sure. At least i will start with the proposal, lets see how it goes further then.
04:53:58 <tuanta_> :)
04:54:08 <amitshah> tuanta_: thanks, obviously it's better for everyone involved if the decision comes soon
04:54:28 <siddhesh> pravins: yes, please make a proposal page and start a conversation with the FPL.  You can include some of us in cc too if that helps.
04:54:51 <pravins> yes sure.
04:55:14 <siddhesh> pravins: I don't know how many people will be able to test after the unicode 7.0 change, but that could also be an action item.
04:56:14 <pravins> siddhesh: right. I have to move https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_Unicode_7 to ReadyforWrangle. will do it by Monday.
04:56:33 <siddhesh> pravins: great
04:56:51 <siddhesh> anything else?
04:57:21 <tuanta_> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/167
04:57:27 <tuanta_> PayPal charges
04:57:40 <tuanta_> Ruth gave us a good solution
04:58:09 <tuanta_> so transaction fees could be included into the reimbursement
04:58:39 <tuanta_> it is ok with Ruth, OSAS and Red Hat's representative
04:58:55 <siddhesh> great
04:59:34 <pravins> looks good.
04:59:35 <tuanta_> #info PayPal transaction fees could be included into reimbursements
04:59:48 <tuanta_> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2015-January/001659.html
05:00:02 <pravins> reimbursement amount will be bit more that receipts.
05:00:08 <pravins> s/that/than
05:00:22 <tuanta_> yes
05:00:36 <alick> i am not sure what ruth means in that email
05:01:02 <tuanta_> alick, I would like to think as positive as possible :)
05:01:09 <alick> is she suggesting reimburse all apac tickets directly?
05:01:33 <tuanta_> yes, she can, some cases
05:01:50 <tuanta_> she did that for me several times
05:02:15 <tuanta_> all community cards are equal
05:02:28 <tuanta_> they are produced for the whole community
05:02:45 <tuanta_> now, there are about over ten cards within Fedora
05:02:50 <alick> yes I know, but i do not think she should/could handle all tickets
05:02:58 <tuanta_> but each region has a dedicated one
05:03:10 <tuanta_> alick, she can not
05:03:10 <pravins> also we will need some guidelines for how much transaction reimbursement should be? its ticky to get it exactly but somehow nearby should be fine.
05:03:22 <tuanta_> that's why we need izhar
05:03:41 <pravins> does paypay provide that information anywhere?
05:03:50 <tuanta_> but there are the same guidelines/rules for all cc
05:04:33 <tuanta_> pravins, to calculate transaction fees, we need to do a small math ourselves:)
05:05:07 <pravins> tuanta_: :)
05:05:11 <alick> tuanta_: what cases do you think need izhar, and what ruth?
05:05:55 <tuanta_> alick, firstly, when izhar's card is out of limit
05:06:40 <tuanta_> others, case by case
05:06:52 <tuanta_> once  izhar can not pay for it
05:07:29 <tuanta_> good news is transaction fees would be accepted at OSAS
05:07:43 <tuanta_> izhar can cover it when sending reimbursement
05:07:54 <siddhesh> tuanta_: so should I ask ruth to reimburse my expenses now or would Kagesenshi be doing those?
05:08:07 <tuanta_> that's information in Ruth's reply
05:08:13 <tuanta_> siddhesh, still izhar
05:08:22 <tuanta_> he is our regional cc
05:08:33 <tuanta_> s/cc holder
05:09:00 <siddhesh> tuanta_: ok, thanks
05:09:44 <alick> tuanta_: she said she can. Not sure if izhar can. and what is the workflow...
05:10:08 <tuanta_> alick, workflow is not changed
05:10:13 <tuanta_> izhar first
05:10:19 <alick> e.g. whether the receipt of paypal fee afterwards is needed or not
05:10:31 <tuanta_> some cases, we can decide to ask Ruth to support
05:11:13 <tuanta_> the most important here is transaction fees would be covered directly in each reimbursement by adding more amount
05:11:36 <tuanta_> That is an important information so I will make this change to wiki and send to Ruth to confirm
05:11:38 <alick> i get it
05:12:06 <alick> but the transaction fees is calculated by who? izhar or each ticket owner?
05:12:35 <alick> tuanta_: +1 for her to confirm
05:12:49 <tuanta_> #action tuanta to modify the wiki to add guidelines how to cover PayPal transaction fees and send to Ruth to confirm
05:13:18 <tuanta_> alick, as I said to pravins, we need to think it
05:13:43 <tuanta_> it is a small math I think
05:14:00 <tuanta_> anything else today?
05:16:01 <tuanta_> siddhesh, should we end the meeting now?
05:16:27 <tuanta_> and can you send the minutes to mailing list?
05:19:25 <siddhesh> tuanta_: sure, I'll end the meeting and send the minutes
05:19:36 <siddhesh> #endmeeting