14:00:27 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:00:27 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:00:27 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:01:49 * rkratky here
14:02:21 <grundblom> #halp
14:02:28 <grundblom> woops
14:02:31 <randomuser> heh
14:02:47 <grundblom> ....it's early sorry
14:05:27 <randomuser> Allright, let's get rolling then
14:05:38 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:06:08 <randomuser> action items listed are "fix yo' bugs"
14:06:14 <randomuser> so keep on doin' that
14:06:25 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:06:50 <randomuser> #info in this part of the meeting we give new writers the opportunity to say hello or ask questions
14:08:12 * smccann is new and lurking
14:08:43 <randomuser> welcome, smccann
14:09:19 <grundblom> Hello, I have been searching for a page that can help guide me in the use of the trac system.
14:09:56 <randomuser> grundblom, I can't think of such a page on the Fedora Wiki offhand
14:10:09 <randomuser> maybe upstream trac has some usage stuff?
14:10:40 <grundblom> Good idea, I will broaden my search to general trac usage pages
14:10:52 <grundblom> Thank you
14:11:12 <randomuser> I'm going to skip talking about publishing for now in case jhradilek shows up later
14:11:16 <randomuser> or ptisnovs
14:11:34 <randomuser> #topic fedora.next product updates
14:11:57 <randomuser> it's on the agenda - anyone have something to share here?
14:14:16 <randomuser> me neither
14:14:26 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:14:39 <randomuser> Anything to report on guides?
14:16:54 * randomuser did not work on guides during the last week
14:17:11 <randomuser> lnovich, are you here today?
14:17:36 <lnovich> somewhat
14:18:05 <randomuser> lnovich, can you share any plans for the virt guides? I recall you were going to check in with some other people about it
14:18:56 <lnovich> i haven't gotten much response from the maintainers themselves
14:19:17 * randomuser nods
14:20:05 <lnovich> i am also wondering if the guide is geared towards our users anyway
14:20:27 <lnovich> and if it could be simplified
14:20:36 <randomuser> well, no, not so much; it talks about rhel subscriptions, even
14:20:50 <lnovich> i am thinking of a complete re-write
14:21:00 <lnovich> a guide that doesn't cross barriers
14:21:16 <lnovich> and therefore is less subject to that kind of crossover content
14:21:56 <randomuser> I think at least keeping the virt quickstart guide up to date would be a good thing
14:22:26 <lnovich> absolutely
14:22:46 <pbokoc> complete rewrites are massively time-consuming... and then you have to take care of two different guides
14:23:10 <pbokoc> trust me, I know :))
14:23:50 <lnovich> i know you do - and my time is limited - but i still have the nagging question in the back of my mind
14:24:17 <lnovich> what do Fedora users need  and Use - it is different from RH users
14:24:30 <randomuser> my concern at this point is that we don't have an entry path if a contributor does come along that does have the time to work on these guides
14:25:03 <lnovich> then the one thing that needs documenting is Boxes - and setting up a VM with it
14:26:10 <lnovich> The Quick Start for Fedora needs Boxes instructions as well as Virt Manager as both tools are pominent.
14:26:56 <randomuser> true
14:27:43 <lnovich> and at the moment there isn't much on boxes
14:28:17 <lnovich> so it could be a good entry point
14:28:35 <lnovich> and if anyone needs help on it, i can give information
14:29:08 <lnovich> the other virt guides I can work on in March - not before
14:29:19 <randomuser> that's a start
14:29:36 <grundblom> I would like to try to help with the boxes guide
14:29:41 <randomuser> #info virt quick start guide needs updating, re: boxes in particular
14:29:50 <randomuser> nice, grundblom !
14:30:36 <smccann> keeping in mind i'm a rank newbie all-round (including virtualization) - I can attempt virt-manager as I need to figure that out a bit for the day job anyway
14:31:21 <randomuser> where are you two at in terms of tooling and workflow?
14:31:57 <randomuser> should we arrange a crash course soon, or are you comfortable diving right in?
14:32:13 <grundblom> I am learning docbook, trac, and how to use git (if its used here)
14:32:15 <lnovich> virt manager has had some UI changes so screen shots need to be changed, but otherwise the instructions are correct
14:32:28 <randomuser> (and indulge me if we've had this conversation before, early here too :P)
14:32:29 <smccann> i experimented a bit back in Dec based on pointers here, but yeah... pretty much - rank newbie.  I'm a techwriter using xml in the day job, so can likely pick up that part w/ some guidance
14:32:31 <lnovich> and i am here if anyone needs help
14:33:38 <randomuser> grundblom, yeah, we use git :)
14:33:53 <smccann> given that I didn't remember trac was part of the equation, i'm behind groundblom on the learning curve
14:34:14 <randomuser> there are trac instances for each guide, but we don't really use them
14:34:45 <randomuser> in fact, we've discussed getting rid of them several times and nobody is interested enough in trac to even delete them :P
14:35:03 * randomuser says, realizing that's probably his responsibility
14:35:08 <grundblom> I am fine with jumping right in, it will be awkward at first, but, it wont last forever :-)
14:35:14 <smccann> anyway, if there aren't others needing a crash course, I can bang away and come back w/ questions as needed.  What's the timeline here for the updated quickstart?
14:35:33 <randomuser> say, one month to publishing?
14:35:58 <smccann> ok
14:36:12 <lnovich> there is also an installation guide - so both need to be looked at and maybe combined?
14:36:28 <grundblom> So these guides will live at docs.fedoraproject.org correct?
14:36:37 <randomuser> I'm usually around in #fedora-docs, or someone, so ping whenever
14:36:41 <randomuser> grundblom, yes
14:36:54 <randomuser> lnovich, you want to merge the installation guide with the virt quick start guide?
14:38:50 <lnovich> the content in git right now is quite old
14:39:05 <randomuser> grundblom, smccann - we have office hours on Thursdays, at 14:00 US eastern - let's check in then
14:39:10 <randomuser> if the time works?
14:39:43 <smccann> i have a dayjob meeting at that time, but can sporatically type...so long as a slooooow conversation works for you
14:40:11 <randomuser> smccann, it often goes through the rest of the afternoon, we don't have to start promptly then
14:40:19 <lnovich> randomuser: can we discuss this tomorrow or after the meeting on how do best accomplish this?
14:40:19 <smccann> k
14:40:26 <randomuser> lnovich, sure
14:40:31 <lnovich> and that way move on...?
14:40:35 <grundblom> I do not have anything on my Calendar then, so I will make an appt for then
14:40:41 <grundblom> Thanks
14:41:42 <randomuser> great, we have a plan then
14:41:47 <lnovich> randomuser: grundblom, smccann - I will not be able to make that meeting but maybe if you are still around at 15:00 I can join you
14:42:18 <randomuser> sounds good, lnovich
14:42:36 <randomuser> #topic publican & publishing
14:43:16 <randomuser> I was playing with jenkins over the weekend, and I think we can get it to pull strings from zanata, test build, and merge them in iff the build passes
14:43:32 <randomuser> it can probably push strings out just as easily
14:44:10 <randomuser> which would make keeping translations up to date roughly 1,247% easier for everyone involved
14:45:10 <lnovich> wow i like those statistics
14:46:19 <randomuser> otherwise, I'm waiting on some sort of readme from jhradilek or ptisnovs before moving on
14:47:37 <randomuser> rkratky, did you have anything to share here?
14:47:53 <randomuser> fine if not, but I don't want to move on prematurely
14:47:58 <rkratky> randomuser, not really.
14:48:07 * lnovich needs to run
14:48:15 <randomuser> okay
14:48:23 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:48:31 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:48:44 <randomuser> there it is, we have bugs
14:49:50 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor Discussion
14:52:09 <randomuser> Anything I've missed?
14:58:29 <randomuser> okay, thanks for coming everyone
14:58:34 <randomuser> #endmeeting