15:11:34 #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting 15:11:34 Meeting started Tue Mar 3 15:11:34 2015 UTC. The chair is Kevin_Kofler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:11:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:11:35 Kevin asked for someone take the lead 15:11:42 Actually, Rex did. 15:11:48 So I'm leading it. 15:11:50 #meetingname kde-sig 15:11:50 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:11:52 Kevin_Kofler: Youthen 15:11:56 #topic Roll call 15:12:00 * jreznik pretends to be here, hides 15:12:02 here 15:12:10 * helio|mtg is here 15:12:15 * jgrulich is here too 15:12:15 me too 15:12:25 * satellit listening 15:12:38 hello again :) 15:13:00 pino|work and than already reported present before we started. 15:13:12 * pino|work is still here 15:13:18 #chair jreznik rdieter helio|mtg jgrulich tosky satellit dvratil pino|work than 15:13:18 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil helio|mtg jgrulich jreznik pino|work rdieter satellit than tosky 15:13:41 #info Kevin_Kofler, jreznik, rdieter, helio|mtg, jgrulich, tosky, satellit, dvratil, pino|work, than present. 15:13:46 #topic Agenda 15:14:00 So I think F22 Alpha debugging is the main topic. 15:14:02 Anything else? 15:14:14 Status report on LXQt 15:15:19 #topic F22 Alpha status/debugging 15:16:45 So, the status right now is this: There were some kickstart and comps issues that prevented TC7 from working, those should be fixed now. There are however also issues with the actual binaries, which we think are GCC-5-related. 15:17:25 the rebuild did not help? 15:17:35 The binaries currently in stable are affected by one or more known GCC bug(s) that has/have been fixed in the latest GCC build. In particular, plugin loading doesn't always work and KMix is crashing on startup. 15:17:44 adamw reports other issues, graphical glitches 15:17:47 FYI live Plasma TC6 has KCMinit and KMIXctrl cause pop up bugs and defaults to openbox? 15:17:48 The binaries in updates-testing fix that, but have a new regression. 15:18:07 rdieter: what kind of graphical glitches? you mean anaconda styling? 15:18:15 tc8* 15:18:20 the scrollback in #fedora-kde from last night has a screenshot 15:18:35 * rdieter checks browser history 15:19:23 https://www.happyassassin.net/temp/busted_kde.png 15:19:46 that's with the kf5 gcc5 rebuilds installed 15:20:09 what is currently queue'd for f22 updates-testing 15:20:22 * helio|mtg confirms that kmix has no issue with clanc compiled, so gcc5 is a good guess 15:20:34 satellit: The Openbox thing is yet another issue that is not being considered a blocker. 15:20:48 yes I know 15:20:49 openbox ? 15:20:53 Basically, DNF drags in all sort of unwanted dependencies and openbox is part of those. 15:21:11 And SDDM happily picks the first session in the alphabet as the default, openbox coming before plasma. 15:21:12 alphabetical listing in chooser 15:21:25 .bug 1197135 15:21:26 rdieter: the black squares sometimes happens to me to with compositing off 15:21:26 We need openbox the heck out of the spin. 15:21:28 rdieter: Bug 1197135 f22 TC6 live KDE x86_64 installs openbox, sddm defaults to openbox as a session on first boot - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1197135 15:21:40 jreznik: so you think may be unrelated ? 15:22:01 rdieter: unrelated to gcc issues? I'd say so 15:22:09 jreznik: ok, good 15:22:15 Hmmm, what happens if you "dnf remove openbox" on an install of the latest TC? 15:22:36 heh, seems like we have default KDE wp there, so without anything done it's not blocking :D 15:22:41 Because if that doesn't remove anything important, we can just add "dnf -y --disablerepo=* -C remove openbox" to the kickstart %post. 15:22:57 full fix for 1197135 requires a fixed kwin build and patched initial-setup 15:23:24 kwin part is done, but not submitted as an update yet (part of plasma-5.2.1) 15:23:30 * satellit I used anaconda 22.20.1-1 passwords 15:24:02 .bug 1192182 15:24:04 rdieter: Bug 1192182 Tracker: issues caused by poor ambiguous provides resolution - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1192182 15:24:04 the other part ^^ 15:24:16 hrm, maybe not 15:24:22 If we were using an installer that does the whole work (Calamares), we wouldn't need that crappy initial-setup hack to begin with. 15:24:59 some lives require anaconda passwords before finishing 15:25:06 I guess I just need to change the component of the primary bug 15:25:28 Kevin_Kofler: offtopic 15:25:41 (ie, arguing to use calamares at this point is not constructive) 15:26:19 * satellit and it is not ready per my testing 15:27:23 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1197135#c8 15:27:37 IMHO, rejecting that as a freeze exception is very broken. 15:27:37 change requirements to stop and require passwords in anaconda would bypass initial setup 15:28:14 * jreznik still hopes one day we will have ODM with preinstalled Fedora KDE and the, initial-setup is going to be needed :) 15:28:56 ODM? 15:29:11 * danofsatx is here, busy setting up new system. 15:31:32 danofsatx: hi 15:31:56 so sounds like pulling in the kf5- rebuilds *may* not be so bad after all, but I'd feel better with a bit more testing 15:32:44 * danofsatx can start testing as soon as the new machine is loaded. 15:33:01 I still have to grab the Windows license key before I wipe and load Fedora. 15:33:42 * rdieter tries booting tc8 on redone usb stick, seems to be working better this time 15:34:19 * satellit I used liveusb-creator in (dd) mode (direct write) 15:34:34 makes nice USB for install 15:34:42 I may resort to that, used livecd-iso-to-disk 15:35:26 anyone else with f22-alpha testing feedback ? 15:36:59 have not tried boot.iso of Plasma but it di work 3 days ago 15:37:05 did* 15:42:43 well, please test some more, I guess we're done with this topic then? 15:43:36 well, seems like TC8 is pretty solid... 15:43:50 I only see a lot of gcc crashes but mostly when closing apps 15:44:14 updating Qt 15:44:40 I get many kded5 crashed using LXQt, don't know the reason yet 15:45:06 helio|mtg: with rebuit qt-5.4.1 ? 15:45:11 so the only missing piece is theming now... but it's more likely FE now as it uses default backrounds from KDE, so it's not a blocker 15:45:12 rdieter: Yes, everything 15:46:18 I think we have more important things to worry about than theming for the Alpha. 15:46:41 fix missing favorites to logout menu backup..? 15:47:16 have to alt f2 logout to fix it 15:47:19 rdieter: not sure if it's related but after updating qt, I can see that black squares too 15:47:49 * helio|mtg starts the f22 vm 15:47:52 gah 15:48:10 and more breakage than before 15:48:17 jreznik: What are you running this under? 15:48:17 let me try clean reboot 15:48:27 A VM? 15:48:32 Kevin_Kofler: TC8 + updated Qt in virt-manager 15:48:38 If so, the bug is going to be very common even if it's a "hardware" bug. 15:48:48 That's most likely what adamw used too. 15:48:59 well, still seems to be related to Qt update... 15:49:10 I guess it could be worked around by using a different video emulation in virt-manager/qemu. 15:49:35 QEMU does qxl, cirrus and "std" (standard VGA/VESA only). 15:49:52 let me check, if it's really caused by that rebuilded Qt 15:50:00 * rdieter gives up trying to get his trusty old dell d630 to boot f22-tc8, looks like lost cause (i965 kernel crash) 15:50:01 need to test in boxes also 15:50:12 But requiring the workaround would not be very nice to our users. 15:50:32 satellit: Doesn't Boxes use the same libvirt setup as virt-manager under the hood? 15:50:42 Kevin_Kofler: yep, it does 15:51:06 Boxes are just crippled UI on top of the same hood 15:51:26 * satellit testing f21 boxes atm 15:54:22 boot screen with blue progress bar in boxes 15:55:02 Plasma is up in boxes here TC8 x86 15:55:12 * satellit live 15:56:11 we can continue hamering f22-alpha testing in #fedora-kde after meeting, our hour is almost up, and we had at least one more topic to hit, can we move on? 15:56:18 satellit: Now try the Qt update from updates-testing and see what happens. 15:56:51 rdieter: Yeah, though it doesn't really have all that much to do with KDE. ;-) But let's make Helio happy. 15:56:56 #topic LXQt status report 15:56:58 * satellit nubie tester do I just use dnf update QT? 15:57:00 helio|mtg: Your turn. 15:57:04 one more thing - no install icon on the desktop 15:57:06 Great 15:57:13 * helio|mtg holds 15:57:16 satellit: qt5-qtbase, not QT 15:57:27 k 15:57:38 I guess you don't have to explicitly --enablerepo=updates-testing because it's on by default in Alpha. 15:57:47 Ok, can i go ? 15:57:56 helio|mtg: Yes. 15:58:15 Ok, so finally allpackages, including pcman is in the same versioning 15:58:19 theme was added 15:58:33 And after new Qt and rebuild, everything works 15:58:49 There's minor inconveniences, like one layer menu 15:58:53 Becomes too big 15:59:06 And the xdg-open one, that is crashing kded5 15:59:11 Not known 15:59:27 We're able to do a live spin already 15:59:54 Nice. 16:00:05 I appreciate if people can test it a little, because i'm unable to discover all things 16:00:15 I had one report that default is not all done, like terminal 16:00:21 What are the hardware requirements for LXQt? Does it use QML2 and thus OpenGL 2? Or is it using QWidgets or something? 16:00:31 QWidgets, no opengl 16:00:36 No QML at all for now 16:00:47 Use some Frameworks libraries 16:00:54 Now KWindowSystem and soon Solid 16:01:07 * Kevin_Kofler might end up switching to LXQt on this machine if Plasma 5 performs too horribly on llvmpipe… 16:01:10 They thinking on kscreen, but is a little more complicated as dvratil talked already 16:01:35 (but I guess I'll worry about that when F21 reaches EOL, no sooner :-) ) 16:02:51 f21 is in the updates already 16:02:55 Testing soon 16:04:05 But that's it 16:04:34 I will endup doing the livecd myself, if ralphgro not want 16:04:47 * helio|mtg don't want meeting get longer 16:05:42 helio|mtg: thanks 16:05:44 OK, I'm summing up for the summary. 16:06:23 #info All packages including pcmanfm are updated to the current LXQt version, a live spin should be possible now. 16:06:48 Thanks for the status update. 16:06:52 #topic Open discussion 16:07:01 Anything else or can I close the meeting? 16:07:20 still some lingering errors with moving to plasma5 in F21, but I'll take that up in channel later 16:09:56 OK, I guess that was all, thanks all for coming! 16:09:58 #endmeeting